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Rain man, if your research is indeed documented then I was not referring to your posts. Those who can't back up what they say are the ones I'm addressing. It's all good on this end boo!
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I guess i'll give my two cents on this matter. I will say that as far as Delta was concerned, we were not founded b/c we couldn't join other GLO's. My founders saw a need for change in the African-American community pertaining to the treatment of Blacks during that time. They journeyed on quest to conquer social injustice for the Black people. Their main goals were not to just start an organization just to fit into the GLO's organizations and/or standards, but wanted to make a difference and a change in they way of life for Blacks. I seriously doubt that they were concerned with being a part of a GLO just because it was "cute.". I suggest reading "In Search of Sisterhood" by Paula Giddings for littler more clarification on this matter.
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Yes, for those of you who are wondering, Groove Phi Groove does exist. They also have a sister organization, Swing Phi Swing. I have visited their national websites and I heard that there are some ladies working on getting a charter of S Phi S on my campus. I don't know how true that part is, though. G Phi G expressly rejects a GLO or BGLO classification. Their legal name is Groove Phi Groove Social Fellowship, Inc. |
I've heard A Lot about my beloved fraternity in this thread! I just want to clear up some things along with my frat earlier in the thread.
1. Alpha was founded out of necessity due to racial oppression and a NEED for brotherly bonds among men 2. All BGLOs were founded out of a need to serve the black community 3. While it is true that there was a burgeoning black middle class, only one of our founders was a part of that! The rest were primarily poor...educated, but poor. 4. ALPHA did do something special on December 4, 1906...it founded a fraternity via a prestigious college institution...which prospered and grew to develop into an organization that sustained its members through college...and aided the BLACK community. As I've said before on other threads, Sigma Pi Phi is NOT the same...it was neither founded to serve in this manner, nor does it continue to serve in that capacity...Sigma Pi Phi is much more like the Bone and Skulls of Princeton (it's a different kind of society.) 5. Our organizations in part were founded out of a need to serve Black Communities on predominantly white campuses....as anyone can easily see by charting our histories...many of our oldest chapters are at prestigious white institutions because it was at these schools that black folks could not live in housing...assemble...and did not have support...Almost every BGLO history will show that white faculty was in support becaue Fraternities and Sororities would give black people their own community structure! A structure that the college was reluctant to provide! Howard is one of the only HBCUs to allow Greekdom to flourish...almost all HBCUs were reluctant to have these organizations because they thought it would splenter their campus...and cause division along color, class, and friendship...As example, AKAs and Deltas didn't come to Spelman until the early 70s I want to talk more...but am afraid that I am always too longwinded 06 to my cold cold cold bruhz of Alpha Phi ALpha, PHI-SKEE to those lovely ladies of Alpha Kappa Alpha (said with emphasis), and much greek love to fellow fraters and sorors in the Black Greek Family, I am, The Ice Cold Kreator |
Ice....Did not oppression continue to flourish after the founding of APhiA? It is robbery to imply that other BGLOs came about soley for community service. To say that eliminates every other frat and sorority that came to be after APhiA from having a humanitarian objective(which encompasses all aspects of service). Starting an organization of brotherhood on a college campus in 1906 did not serve the masses of black people that were suffering, only a revered few that were privilaged to attend college. Furthermore, there weren't even hardly any HBCUs around back then anyway. Also, with the secrets(history) that are involved in the initiation process, no man or woman can understand the true composition of any BGLO, and that remains a fact to this day. Masonry was the instrument of measure that was utilized by your founders to create your fine organization(period). Masonry preexisted and coexisted among blacks from day 1, well before APhiA was thought of, but it was not soley open to the college environment neither could it be exploited there. So, the precept to impliment some similar system was acted upon by forming APhiA. Masonry and Eastern Stardom was very active in African American culture and servitude. No! There wasn't a NEED for Brotherly bonding as you state, because if APhiA was that source then it would be open to every man and not just college students/grads and people of prestige. Masonry is open to all men of moral character who humbly seek the "Light."
Now, if there wasn't really a "Need" for other BGLOs after APhiA, then after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 APhiA should have disbanned because their purpose no longer existed.....that is unless they just wanted to do community service. And from my knowledge all BGLOs were created before then. The Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, Southern Christian Coaliton....all during the sixties....did far more to break the yoke that was on African Americans....they gave their lives(some were in frats but most were masons). So, you and your sorors can boast for all of the esteem and recognition of having been the first BGLO fraternity/sorority founded by and for whatever reasons, but unfortuneately there is no award for that. The reward is to perpetuate that which it was based on and that can be found in every BGLO. And that's the bottom line........ |
Who preceded the Black Panthers, Southern Christian COalition and others...Pioneers. Without the epic struggle between men such as W.E.B. DuBois and Booker T. Washington, and not to mention Marcus M. Garvey. BGLO's were formed in response to the times, they were not formed to tame the evils of oppression. But to give blacks a voice. Your remarks are lucid but a little diluted. Nothing that happened in the sixties could have occurred without what happened prior. Each period of time was one which saw the evolution of a people. Sometimes, as in the sixties, the movement is swift and grand...However, more often than not, movement is incremental. Those incremental movements occur every day and should be recognized. There is no bottom line because the only true bottome line is death.
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I said I wasn't going to post.....I made myself not respond for a pretty good while, but I decided not to hold back my thoughts. Dirty Bill Clinton, I don't really understand WHAT your response was. I actually read your response twice, and to you I still say .....WHAT are you saying? I see alot of words and that's all. Where did you get your info.? You referred to Alpha Phi Alpha, Masons, and the need for brotherhood in "those days." Are you a member of Alpha Phi Alpha? Are you a Mason? Are you old enough to really know what was needed in that period of inception for BGLOs? Just some questions? I look at people's credibility. Where's the research? Are we talking just to sound informed? |
Dirty Bill...
there was no implication that all the organizations didn't serve a NEED!!! I just said that ALPHA was at the forefront and it formed out of A NEED!...secondly, never underestimate the role that ALPHA has played in the community and the role model that ALPHA has played in abetting both the Black sorority movement and the Fraternity movement! You are confusing my words... Thirdly, many Greeks are and were members of those organizations like Black Panthers, N.O.I., etc. ...our organizations are not the only things that we were involved in also...IN 1906...almost every HBCU had been running at least for 10 years!!! So your information is wrong... NO one is downplaying the role of OUR Organizations....but NO ONE should downplay the role of ALPHA....National Representatives of all of the other Orgs. were recently at the ALPHAs Convention and said, "If there had been NO ALPHA, there might not be XYZ (us) (Sorority or Fraternity)!" Pretty profound for THEM to say, what you are trying to dispute? I'm out of Ice COLD time.... Much love to my Bruhz...06! Much love to my Sisters...08! Much love to the BGLO family...hold up the light! I am, The Ice Cold Kreator |
OK.. wait! It seems that many of us are being swayed by our own propoganda! Hello!!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif Aren't we taking ourselves a little to seriously???
First, let's all remember that every single fraternity and sorority out there is two things: 1) exclusive and 2)social. Somewhere, someone got his/her friends together to form a club, that only certain people could join after passing certain tests. Sure, most of our founders had loftier principles they wanted espoused, but let's not get so high and mighty to think that's all our organizations are about. BGLOs were formed to fill a SOCIAL void. Something was missing socially in their lives. Hey, there were plenty of civic organizations they could have joined to strengthen their communities, but they chose to form GLOs instead. Sure...this idea is not NUMBER ONE in our organizations' mission list, but it's there. Remember the "Sisterhood...Brotherhood" ideals???? My sorority means the world to me. It always will, BUT I'm not dilluded enough to think it is the "end all, be all" nor was it founded to be so. Anyone who thinks that needs to get a life! (or at least get into the real world) |
While I cannot speak with 100% certainty about any other BGLO, I know that my organization was not founded to merely satiate a social appetite. It was formed to meet a need of African American students on a predominantly caucasian campus. I feel that it is my duty to remember that, yes we are social but we take greater pride in our community service activities than our partying. I am not self-diluted in preaching the high standards of my fraternity. I am also not blinded with visions of grandeur to realize that there are problems which persist, some that we have made.
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------------------ Steve Corbin Lambda Chi Alpha Theta Kappa Chapter Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. |
I understand how that sounds social and I am grateful for the manner in which you replied. In other chat rooms I've been in that would not have happened. I am not naive enough to say that the organization did not fill a social need to a degree but its primary focus lies w/civic and educational duties.
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The social need of BGLO's has always been second to the communities needs!
I agree with Frater Hypothermia...what may look like social space may be for the greater good of the campus/community. You can go anywhere in the country and find out that BGLOs are really (and moreso) about Community Service! In our organizations, there is an obligation to serve the community as well as organize around the ideals of brotherhood. But even if you look at our programming...you will notice that even our social programs will have a double purpose. I can vouch for ALPHA, that our social experiences were only heightened by our community service (as a shared experience of our brotherhood)... Just one mans opinion, 06, I am, The Ice Cold Kreator |
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At my chapter, we do our fair share of campus/community work, but we also have a lot of social events. For the most part these are two separate parts of our programming. Maybe that's something we should work on though, doing more social events to benefit our philanthropy. ------------------ Steve Corbin Lambda Chi Alpha Theta Kappa Chapter Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. |
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