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Exactly.

Marriage, legally, is a social and economic, not religious, institution. If we are going to start deciding who can and cannot be married based on religious reasons, there would a whole lot more single people in this country. If two drunken gamblers can legally marry in Las Vegas, only to divorce one week later, then a gay couple who loves each other should be able to marry, as well. There should be no differentiation between the two when it comes to the laws of this country.

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Why is it that people always refer back to good ol' "if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything" when defending their own stances. Just because I disagree with you (you, in the general sense, not anyone in particular) on an issue does not mean that I do not stand for something or that I don't have my own moral, ethical, and religious beliefs. All it means is that we disagree.
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I never stated that we should decide who can and can not get married nor did I state that where you get married should be a factor.

I'm saying that we should get rid of of marriage and its meaning as it related to grouping, special priviledges, etc. (as it relates to the grouping of people in terms of married vs single). Even if we got rid of the classification, if would not affect WHERE people get "married".

@ HoneyKiss

I totally understand your point of view on marriage. My post was intended to restate what I feel is the real basis of this argument. My point is that because legal marriage is not a religious institution, religious arguments against gay marriage should not be considered. I included the reference to Las Vegas as an example of legal marriages that are also counter to most religious beliefs.

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Well believe it or not, i am not trying to argue with you, simply trying to foster a discussion as you requested. I am asking you honest questions in order to better understand your point of view, but if you feel uncomfortable answering that is fine.

Honeykiss, I comepletely understand where you are coming from now, thank you for clarifying.

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IT doesn't have anything to do with being uncomfortable with answering...that is shown in the many times I've posted on this subject. But you ask questions that i've answered several times on this thread. The answers to your questions are stated several times in my previous posts..

And to ClassyLady your lil sidebar of "why do people say if you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything" i guess was directed at me since I'm the one who said it....don't take the comment so personal...it was a general comment.

I am very proud and steadfast in my views and I don't back down just because my views are unpopular or people disagree with me. Actually....when the majority disagrees with me...in this morally corrupt society....that's usually a good thing. :cool:

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My post as well was a general comment. I clearly stated that it was not directed at any one individual since the statement I was referring to was made more than once by more than one person.

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No one is asking you to "back down." I was simply asking for clarification because maybe I wasn't fully comprehending what you were trying to say. Sometimes I can be very dense and need things explained to me a variety of ways before I can really understand someone's point of view. Before completely writing you off, I would rather havea clear understanding of exactly what you mean.

My question to you is, do you consider yourself not to be morally corrupt? Again, this is not a personal attack so there is really no need to get defensive, just trying to see where you are coming from.

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good to see you also, doggystyles.

i always enjoy a good conversation and views that are different then my own. i am a little tired and weary of the gay and marriage topics, because they are age old topics.

being a african american lesbian in society is hard as it is. every one has a right to their opinions. i try not to shove my opinions down anyone's throat whether they are considered moral or not.

i will hold my comments and this subject, because honestly i con not think of anything to say. :)


btw....me and the pooch are enjoying a simple honeymoon in the carribean. :D

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LMAO!!!

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I'm not going to get into what I "personally" consider myself..that's irrelevant. I've stated my views on the subject..and as I said..we all have to answer for what we choose to do in our lives PERIOD.

My goodness a girl goes away to Lousiana for a weekend and this topic gets hotter. I have already said what have to say, but I am thankful that we can debate this topic and the meaning of marriage, freely and make a CHOICE about our opinions. Which is a benefit of living in a society were choice is an option and not a luxury.:cool:

That is indeed Wonderful...Wonderful1908

Hope you enjoyed Louisiana ;)

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On this topic the question was are gay marriages immoral....if you think it about no religion supports homosexuality nor should they. Homosexuals who push for gay marriages have a bigger agenda, which is to undermine the institution of marriages by redifining what marriage is. I agree w/lovespell if this is allowed what foolishness will follow a grown man wanting to marry his 7 year old daughter or worst his 7 year old son as long as everyone is happy. Equating being gay to black is asinine and is a slap in the face for those blacks who suffered so much during slavery.

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First of all welcome to GC frat ;)

And secondly..be careful when agreeing with me...when you take any type of moral stand i.e. aligning yourself with biblical principles over secular principles...you get bashed for it. But I'm sure you can handle it...just as i hold my own:D

Gay marriages
 

Thanks for the welcome, I'm sure there will be some backlash but.....I'm ready and even though I'm new I got your back as long as your for what's right.