I had another thought to add(hopefully I'm not pissing anyone off, and I mean no disrespect to Honeykiss at all, I find the discussion interesting)...

For those who believe that the law and biblical mandate should be intertwined, what shall we do about the commandment, "thou shalt have no other Gods but me?" I suppose in that case belonging to a polytheistic religion would be illegal. Shall we shut down all the Hindu temples? Arrest the Buddhists? And those Jews, they don't recognize the true Messiah, they need to be penalized in some way.

Also, no translation of the Bible is "the real translation." There have been many studies to show that over the years there have been serious misinterpretations of passages. The only "real" bible(old testament anyways) would be in Hebrew. Before that, it was passed by word of mouth. Ever play telephone?
The new testament too, was not written until many years after Jesus' death.

It is one thing to lead your own life according to your interpretations of the writtings that dictate the laws of your chosen religion. It is quite another to tell everyone else to follow your individual understanding of existence and morality.

I really don't see anything wrong with gays/lesbians being married except for the fact that if they adopt children their kids might get picked on their whole life for having poop loving or clit licking parents, that in turn might flick the wrong switch upstairs by the time they're adults and they could end up killing motherfuckers inorder to get them back for such a disrupted childhood. Thats why I can't understand the whole "born" gay philosophy. What are they going to do if they get kids? How can you pick out babies who are gay that way they won't feel uncomfortable as they grow up in society and realize what their parents are is taboo. I'm ok with them getting married, but no children. That's just a sacrifice they'll have to make for being abnormal, and the fact that they're not the majority.

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Do you come from Sweden, or Mars?

No offense taken at all with your post :)

In any civilized society there has to be a moral standard to follow. Can you imagine what the US would be like if we cancelled every law that even had a hint of morality in it.

Regarding other religions, they don't need to be penalized for existing. They have to obey the same laws of the land as I do. I am sure there are religions beside Christianity that are trying to influence their local and state, even national laws just as well.

But with that reasoning, we should also deny marriage rights to black people, because that would make the marriage rate go down and thus the rest of us will have lower insurance premiums and lower taxes! Or why not deny marriage rights to all non-Christians? Or anyone under the age of 60?

I agree with you that gay marriage is not just a "bedroom issue," but that's not a valid reason for keeping it illegal.

Exactly. The Bible is NOT the word of God. It is the word of God passed down through and described by many, many men.

Way too many people apply the Bible to just the parts of their life that they want to apply it to. I know plenty of people who condemn homosexuality while participating in pre-marital sex, and that is just crazy. If you're following everything in the Bible to the letter, that's great -- but I have yet to meet a Christian who is.

Although I disagree with everything you have said, I want to try to understand where you're coming from because I don't.

You take vows and marriage very seriously. Good for you -- I don't think that there is anything wrong with that. What baffles me is why you are concerned about how other people view their relationships. How does it affect you if other people get divorced or if gay people are able to marry? How does is affect you if other people don't take marriage seriously? How does that have any effect at all on your relationship or your life?

I just absolutely fail to understand why anybody here is concerned with other people's relationships and how they define them. When my divorce is final, what effect will that have on any other member of GC? None! Maybe some of you think less of me because I've broken my vows or whatever, but I believe that life is too short to stay in a relationship when you're not happy. That doesn't mean that I'm going to go out and tell all of the unhappily married people out there that they should get divorced because they are defiling the concept of marriage. Their relationships have nothing to do with me, and I think that people should be free to do what they want.

I think it's great to have things that you belive in very strongly, but I don't understand the desire to force others to fit into the mold that you have chosen for yourself.

Shocked? Why? For religious reasons? Political reasons? Moral reasons? Ethical reasons?

Wow. THAT was eloquent. :rolleyes:

Ah, he comes from Florida. 'Cause he's UFPike.

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Wow! 1000 posts and you're not a moderator yet? I wonder whats holding you back?



Back to Topic now!

Valkyrie -

Please re-read the last (full size) paragraph of my post. That should answer all of your questions.

Ginger, I don't think that it answers any of my questions, so I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Sverige...that was a funny post considering all of your gay pride posts of yore. Stop beating off to pics of Jordan Knight and come out of the closet already.

As far as the question goes...I just really want to know WHY ANYONE CARES what everyone else is doing. I mean like Valkyrie said...you all could get married tomorrow to a man, woman, tree, or kitchen utensil and guess what? My day would go on just as it would have otherwise. I swear people spend so much time worrying about everyone else...

People that come on here preaching (not anyone in particular here, just in general) need to understand that NOT EVERYONE follows the same value system YOU do. And is that judgment seeping through in the posts? I surely hope not, because as far as I am aware, that is a big no-no as well.

I don't have gay pride, who is Jordan Knight?

Good point that crosses both sides.... since both sides have been "preaching" the reasons for and against, right?