Don't you even start sh!t with annie again, UFPike. I'm serious. F-ck with her, you're going to be f-cking with me. Which i'm sure you'd enjoy.

I'm guessing that those of you defending this are younger and without a council position in your house. I realize that a lot of younger members miss the big picture of things. Your actions reflect not just you, but your entire chapter, and your sorority as a whole, as well as sorority women nation wide. You enjoy sucking on dildos and letting guys do disgusting things to you, fine, like annie said- do it in privacy. Not representing your sorority, not for the whole world to see.

When i first joined a sorority I probably would've had a similar view as some of you. But then I was on exec board for several years and got more involved with KD nationally, and you start to realize the effects these sorts of things have. I'm only 22, but i have a whole lot of greek experience. When you're on council, you have a lot of responsibility, and if something hapens- guess what- YOU can be sued. Yes YOU.
BTW- i'm not quite sure what rape has to do with all this. Yeah it is a problem, but when you have good risk management (which is definately lacking in this situation) and care about your sisters and watch after them, the chances of such situation happening are very minimal.

No kidding that other things go on. But if they do, the ladies and the men at least have the good sense to keep it behind closed doors. For the record, i think both parties are just as guilty in this this case. The girls knew what they were getting into. I can pretty much guarantee that they will be under some disciplinary action from their national council.

Lately, greekchatters have been making me sorts said with the things they see as acceptable- sexual assault (see my thread about teabagging), this, etc.

I agree with the KDs. Once you're in an administrative or advisory position, you begin to see just how much trouble "a little harmless fun" can do.

For their hours of fun, I guarantee that Sigma Chi's and Theta's nationals will put them through many times more hours of hell and rightfully so. Why? For the same reason that I have to fill out 40 pages of paperwork to be pre-approved every time I have to take my Scouts anywhere! For the same reason that teachers can't tell parents that their kids are hyper anymore! Because our country is so litigious!

All it takes is one pissed-off Theta parent and Sigma Chi could be out thousands of dollars. Don't you guys know that people who have no right to receive any money in a suit get it anyway? You never know what kind of nuts you have on a jury who'll award money to a complainant!

And Theta's nationals are *not* going to want their girls to look like hobags either. Can't you just see rushees looking at the partypics site and saying, "I really want to be a Theta and have crap poured on me"? I don't think so!

The repercussions of this will last for a long time.

I'm sorry, but if this whole announcing event is a way for the boys to feel manly, then those boys OBVIOUSLY need a check up from the neck up, b/c degrading women isn't the way to go. I don't care if this is tradition or fun or whatever, but to me, it just seems degrading and rude. And if I was a girl waiting to come to UF, I certainly wouldn't want to be in the sorority where these girls were involved. It just looks bad all the way around.

UFRushee05: i know that you go to UF and may have some insight as to events that happened, perhaps moreso that those of use thousands of miles away.

But as I recall, you didn't get a bid anywhere. So i'm wondering how you can understand and appreciate, and properly comment on some of this? You're not a part of greek life, you've never been a part of greek life, and you've never had a responsible position in greek life.

I'm not dogging you, i'm just trying to understand how you feel that you can properly assess this situation without knowing what it all really means?:confused:

I never claimed to be a part of Greek life...and that was why I was stating my opinion as a person, not a a member of a Greek organization. I also have attended many sorority events and actually have attended Biker Bash and know a LOT of Sigma Chi's and I believe that gives me some right to participate in a discussion about them...\
I have been a member of many organizations that are exclusive in membership..I know what it means to represent an organization...That is not something that only Greeks are privy too. I also attend UF, which was also a part of the discussion. And I have a best friend in almost every house on campus...So i do know quite a bit more that the average student. I'm also involved in a lot of the same clubs as most Greeks, like staff events at school, homecoming, etc. so I know how a lot of them view these situations...etc.

And I really don't think me not being Greek impairs my opinion on this in any way...but whatever you believe is fine. I was just giving my opinion, sorry if it's not one that is good enough for you because I'm not in a sorority.

"All in fun"
 

It worries me to see people doing disturbing things to women and then saying "It's all in fun."

There's a lot of talk here about the reputation of the Thetas, but I'm a lot more concerned about the Sigma Chis. What does it say about these guys that they would have fun degrading a girl this way -- even when it's "all in fun"? Maybe the seniors are reading the women carefully to determine who is enjoying herself and who feels pressured (maybe)...but what about the pledges? What lesson are impressionable 18-year-old boys going to carry away from this party? Is it going to be "Consenting adults can enjoy themselves however they please," or is it going to be, "These sorority women love to humiliate themselves for us; they're here for our entertainment; it's cool to degrade chicks!"

The pictures with the kneeling women reminded me of something that happened to a good friend of mine when she was a freshman. She went to a fraternity party at UVA, met a guy she liked, and eventually performed a certain activity on him in what she thought was a private area of the house. At the conclusion of said activity, he pointed to the window...and she saw six of his brothers clapping. He admitted he'd set the whole thing up, but told her it was all in fun because he thought she would be into that.

She wasn't. And it took her years to get over it. A lot of UF women are going to have experiences like my friend -- or worse -- if the guys all learn from their big brothers that women love it when you treat them like crap.

Ivy

You said it well Ivy!!!

If this or anyother Greek Org. has the demeaning aspect about themselves, then they should be gone period!!!:mad: One individual, suspended, if the total Org. Gone if it was not pre-arranged!?

I for one was never raised to treat a lady like this and it is sickening to me!

It's a harsh lesson to be learned, but the way you act in public will follow you throughout your life (or stages of your life).

These sorority girls who participated in this will have a rep - one that which a house would not be proud of. And believe me, they will do what they can to "clean it up."

Now, if a girl who is not in a sorority makes a spectacle of herself - like sucking on dildos or other demeaning things, she will get a reputation that will follow her. And if this girl wants to go through Rush, well, people REMEMBER.

You see, when someone is a "frequent party girl" (or perhaps, has a reputation that girls in sororities would be aware of), this is a valid reason to drop a rushee. No one wants a girl with low morals to belong to their house - if one sister knows about low morals, forget it - no question that girl is dropped. You could be roommates with a sister or best friends since birth, but no chapter - esp. one at UF - will take a risk on a girl who already has a rep.

Not to mention, fraternity boys always call sorority members during rush and say, "You DON'T want that girl as a member of your house."

So, these girls who are already IN a house might feel that they don't have to impress anyone. Not true. They will at least face their standards boards internally - and that is something any of us, as outsiders, won't hear about. Chapter members often don't even know when someone is called to standards. It's not something that is publicized.

Oh well...perhaps this would be better off posted in the RUSH forum...maybe we should continue this there, if we're drifting from the original topic..

Yea well, my chapter has tradition too.....we just got busted again as well. Looks like things are about to get nasty at UF.

I got to hang out with a bunch of Sigs at the FL/GA weekend at the landing....and man was it a blast! :-) I asked them about the whole thing and they said first of all it wasn't bourbon...it was tea they put in jim beam bottles. One of the brothers said,"were not going to waste $30 of good liquor by pouring it out on someone, thats ludicris." And the other thing they said was it wasn't maggots, they were meal worms. And a lot of the sorority girls were begging to be involved in the announcing, and look forward to stuff getting done to them every year like this. I personally thing thats wierd but hey girls do crazy things at UF. Not saying that what happened was ok, but if you do this for years on end, you don't think that its wrong. Especially when the girls are egging the brothers on to do it to them. I wasn't there, but this is what i heard from the sigs and the sorority there.

Who'd you meet?


Beau? Maston? Todd? Jake? Matt?


Myself and T-lemly are friends.....I've known him since I was 15 as well have the names I mentioned above. We go way back. I'm the only one chose not to join Sigmachi.

Just an update on this situation...last week the independent student newspaper, the Alligator, ran a tasteless cartoon about Sigma Chis and Thetas in the opinion section. As a result, the presidents of all the sororities at UF (I don't know about the fraternities) had a round table discussion. They all had their own respective chapters vote on whether or not to give the Alligator any business for the time being. My chapter decided to not advertise in or give any business to the newspaper for the rest of the school year, and to revote next year. This is kind of a big deal since Greeks run ads for Grab-a-Dates and philanthropies and announce their new pledge classes in the Alligator. So we'll see what happens.

Good. The Alligator has always believed to have been "anti-greek" though they happily take our ad money (who wouldn't?).

Of course, any newspaper only reports the juicy bits on anyone. People love dirty laundry.

I am interested to know how long your chapter will continue this moratorium. How did the other sororities vote?

Is there a news venue on campus other than the Alligator? From what I've seen, large schools often have several newspapers even if they're not school sanctioned.