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Sen's Revenge 07-04-2020 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2476762)
FWIW, as far as I can see, any post which has disappeared was deleted by the author.
I've contacted John about it. I've never been a mod, but I definitely posted something that is no longer there.

AZTheta 07-04-2020 01:02 PM
It's "whittle" not "widdle". Sigh.

And Sen, I saw your post. Where did it go??? Who moved it? This isn't the first time it's happened, either. Not only to you. I queried and got a similarly unhelpful reply. This was some time ago and I just dropped it. Counterproductive.

Kevin 07-04-2020 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 2476794)
I was told (truthfully or not) that the shorter pledge program was for better retention of each pledge class. Well, yes and no. Pledges did have to learn everything that FSUZeta mentioned above, keep their grades up, and get to know their chapter sisters & pledges. For some pledges, that was a deal breaker, and they would depledge. Others thrived on this system, getting to know their sorority on a more personal level. Some of the ways we learned are now considered hazing, such as pledge books - things that most who had to have them enjoyed. I never heard of anyone who was punished for not having one, but I'm sure that there are bad apple chapters who did.

I can't help but feel that in most cases, the bad apple chapters ruined it for everyone.

So... now we have New Members who don't understand the whys behind their own rituals, and they want to change things to suit them. It doesn't - and shouldn't! - work that way!
The cynic in me says that the shortened pledge periods are all about HQs getting all of those initiate fees which would ordinarily not be paid due to attrition during the semester. If nothing else, that's a pretty serious bonus. Probably amounts to some pretty serious money for larger orgs.

33girl 07-04-2020 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2476806)
The cynic in me says that the shortened pledge periods are all about HQs getting all of those initiate fees which would ordinarily not be paid due to attrition during the semester. If nothing else, that's a pretty serious bonus. Probably amounts to some pretty serious money for larger orgs.
The cynic in me agrees with the cynic in you 💯

6 weeks is fine for a smaller chapter at a smaller school....chapters of 200+, I don’t know how you’d do it. (Not to mention that at many of those schools there are practically mandatory campus wide events that take up time, ie weekly football games).

Titchou 07-04-2020 04:31 PM
For NPC groups it started with school admin trying to curb hazing and pushing the groups for shortened pledge periods. Last I heard, all but Chi Omega had gone to 6 weeks. they still have semester long...but that may have changed by now.

carnation 07-04-2020 04:52 PM
Didn't someone recently tell us that Chi O did go to 6 weeks? I swear I heard that.

thetalady 07-04-2020 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Cookiez17 (Post 2476788)
Yes. I saw several threads where fraternities were basically putting their new member periods to a week in an attempt to curb obviously harmful hazing. I know new member periods vary from campus to campus but from what i've seen most average it to end between 6-8 weeks.
BUT WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT MEN'S FRATERNITIES! For the love of Pete.... Men's organizations are vastly different from women's sororities in many of their policies and practices. Please don't confuse things. It is hard enough to keep up with the truth already.

Titchou 07-04-2020 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by thetalady (Post 2476815)
BUT WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT MEN'S FRATERNITIES! For the love of Pete.... Men's organizations are vastly different from women's sororities in many of their policies and practices. Please don't confuse things. It is hard enough to keep up with the truth already.
Amen!!!!

SWTXBelle 07-04-2020 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by carnation (Post 2476814)
Didn't someone recently tell us that Chi O did go to 6 weeks? I swear I heard that.
Last I heard they were the only ones still making new members wait until after the semester had ended and they had made their grades to initiate.

glittergal1985 07-05-2020 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ForrestGrump (Post 2476771)
Yes, I indicated that. It was founded as a Catholic sorority, but became open to all faiths (as well as races and creeds) in 1968. It is not a "Christian" sorority. Likewise, AEPhi and SDT were founded as Jewish sororities, but they have been open to women of all faiths for many years.
I saw that you indicated that it is open to all faiths, but I also wanted to clarify that, in addition to being open to women of all faiths, TPA in itself does not have a religious affiliation. There are organizations that are open to people of all faiths while still being affiliated with a specific faith, but that is not what TPA is.

Cheerio 07-10-2020 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 2476794)
So... now we have New Members who don't understand the whys behind their own rituals, and they want to change things to suit them. It doesn't - and shouldn't! - work that way!
This type of entitlement reminds me of something orange.

PGD-GRAD 07-10-2020 08:54 PM
Or someONE......

SWTXBelle 07-11-2020 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheerio (Post 2477019)
This type of entitlement reminds me of something orange.
To which GLO do you belong?

shadokat 07-14-2020 01:26 PM
To clarify for the 98th time, Delta Phi Epsilon and Phi Sigma Sigma were founded as non-sectarian sororities, meaning that while yes, their initial founders were Jewish, they did not believe that religious affiliation should be a determining factor in membership selection.

The rest of this is a ball of wax that will likely not be pretty when it's over.

aephi alum 07-16-2020 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by shadokat (Post 2477102)
To clarify for the 98th time, Delta Phi Epsilon and Phi Sigma Sigma were founded as non-sectarian sororities, meaning that while yes, their initial founders were Jewish, they did not believe that religious affiliation should be a determining factor in membership selection.

The rest of this is a ball of wax that will likely not be pretty when it's over.
Likewise with Alpha Epsilon Phi. The sorority was founded by seven Jewish women, with ideals based on Jewish ideals (so, not quite non-sectarian), but it was never a requirement that you had to be Jewish to join.

I was Catholic when I joined. Without saying too much about our ritual, I doubt any Christian would have a problem with it.


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