Could you clarify that? I don't quite understand what you mean.

Geeky Penguin...hey your not alone, my bible doesn't say that either;)

Steelpike, that is a great way to put things. Because Christ didn't just love the saved he loved EVERYONE, good or bad.
Luke 15:1-7

astroAPHI...why do you say that Christ wouldn't have joined a GLO?

Now my sorority is based on Christian principals, and we do use them in our rituals, however it is stated PLAINLY that your own personal views, opinions, beliefs will not be compramised. And many of us do go to church together but it will not be forced upon someone who doesn't want to go. GLO's aren't there to force something upon you that you would not agree with/believe in. I joined my sorority because it was based upon things I believe in. I specifically stayed away from 1 other on campus because I knew that the principals the group was founded upon went against my personal beliefs. So don't fret, you will find one that fits your personality and beliefs.:)

Sorry for the misunderstanding there jenigail... I was simply laughing at the statement, not stating it. I was just imagining those WWJD bracelets and imagining Iconoclastic standing up and yelling, "Jesus would never have joined a GLO!"

Re: Wondering how SigEp doesn't mandate it.

They have some sort of quote about how their fraternity was founded on love of God...I'm going to go find it:

"This fraternity will be different, it will be based on the love of God and the principle of peace through brotherhood. The number of members will be increased from the undergraduate classes. We will change the name to Sigma Phi Epsilon."

That, and the cross in their crest (which could just be heraldic, I know nothing about that) always made me wonder but I never asked, and I'm sure GPBoy wouldn't have told me.

astroAPHI, don't worry I wasn't upset or anything..i think what you just said was pretty good!:p

Pike is another exception to that study in asking questions like these prior to the ceremony as well as others. However, if one does answer negatively to the second question, an alternate is asked about proceeding given that Christian ideals are present in the initiation ceremony. It could follow then, that there are Pikes who are athiests.

Docetboy, I would check your ritual. Since Pike and Kappa Sig are similar in their questioning aspect, it wouldn't surprise me that the two agree in letting an individual that does not believe in a higher being proceed once agreeing that there are religious beliefs in the ceremony. But I could be wrong.

What if its a honorary org or service org

While I respect your concern that I may not be correct, I can assure you I have properly stated Kappa Sigma's position...I have even used direct quotes from our pledge manual, Bononia Docet. While we are similar in the questioning aspect, we are extremely different fraternities with extremely different histories and beliefs.

Just making sure.

Icommieclastic, if you are as smart as you seem to think your ego makes you, there will be No Glo who will give you information about their Rituals. That is members in good standing.

It seems that your over extended nose is so long, that if you have it up the rear ends of all of the GLOS that it seems, I am sure your nose would get broken if they turned right or left!

This site has nothing to do with you or your diatribes. Please begone and do not darken our door step again messanger of Satan!:p

A fool and his ideas, I do hope depart thusly soon.

What about Delta Upsilon? They don't have any secrets.

Though members of D.U. would not be disqualified under the above questions, our national constitution prohibits any member of a NIC or NPHC fraternity from becoming initiated, because of the same fairness issues.

That was at Fred, not you...because DU has no secrets, thus they can prove that they are not doing whatever bad things people think we do. I knew that about you guys. :)

Sorry...I was used to being questioned on every aspect of our initiation requirements in this thread just about...:)

I think it should be up to Kappa Sigma if they want to discriminate based on religion or not -- if that's a really important principle to the organization then they should be able to weed out nonbelievers just the way the rest of us try to weed out those who won't be committed to the principles of our organizations. The only problem I can see is having an atheist who goes through rush, likes the Kappa Sigs, accepts his bid, and doesn't learn until afterwards that he must believe in a God in order to be initiated -- so now he can't be initiated into Kappa Sig, but he has to wait to the next rush period before he can join another fraternity. Somehow that doesn't seem fair.

As stated above, Tri Delta was founded on Christian ideals, but we don't require you to be a Christian/believe in a God, and we don't ask you about your faith during the pledge process or initiation. As a non-Christian, I was a little surprised by some things that involved Christianity that I wasn't used to. For example, the first time I went over to the house for formal dinner, I was surprised when they sang grace before the meal. But I've never been made to feel uncomfortable in any situation because of my religion. Even though Tri Delta is founded with "Christian" ideals in mind, I don't think these ideals are anything that a non-Christian wouldn't also want to strive for. I think that that is the most important part for me -- that I agree with the principles. I know for a fact that there are both Jewish and agnostic girls in our house, and probably those of other faiths besides, and obviously none of them feel like they've had to compromise their beliefs enough to quit the sorority.

Of course, my chapter isn't a very religious one on the whole -- we don't do things like go to church together -- so I can imagine this might be a little bit different in a chapter where the religion plays a much bigger role in the social aspects of the chapter, you know?

Hopefully you didn't take my comments as questioning. I was trying to establish commonality (although not there) between Kappa Sig and Pike. If I've said something wrong, let me know.