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BLUTANG - Thanks for printing that Michael Moore article. I've always enjoyed and been enlightened by his social commentary.

As for the original article, it seems to me that it is more the acts of children with too much free time on their hands. It was trespassing and harassment rather than bigotry, racism, or hatred in my opinion. (I'm not sure how intimidating fourteen year old girls can be, but I wasn't there.) Now a death threat from a grown man or anyone should be taken seriously.

I think that the point is that everyone regardless of race wants to be treated with respect and human dignity. Have a great day.

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Originally posted by Tom Earp
KTSNAKE, a very good point. Until you lived it, then you only hear of it in books or passed down in lore! !

Umm, most blacks if not all have experienced some form of racism. To say that "everything is in the past" is ludicrous. Please wake up!

This thread seems to be getting out of hand! We cannot reverse the action that was done in history as that is old news! We can only do what we can do today!

Racism is not in the past. Again, wake up.

I am getting tired of someone coming on and trying to stir up racism and predjadise, when we as a group are trying to help the other way!

Tired of whom? This is a PUBLIC forum and if you don't like what you read, please take your eyes to another forum.Problem solved!

The world has changed and is still changing ergo The Twin Towers!

Changed how?And what does that have to do with racism upon blacks?

Whose fault is that the white folks or the not Musilums who beleive in the white Devil?

Ok. I would say something about this, but I'm just going to get that Moral Court speech from 8 million people so I wont.

How about the Jewish people, was that also the white peoplle or a political thing! What about Northern Ireland, is that white people, or is it about polotics of who runs the jobs!

Stick to the issue. The original subject was blacks considered to be racist. None of the above groups were mentioned

NO< ALL OF THESE MEAN DEATH TO INNOCENT PEOPLE!!!

I do not hate, UNLESS YOU do harm to me or my family or freinds!

I then do not blame it on a Race or Religion but the individual!

Get over your self importance as it is getting underwhelming!:(

Yada, yada, yada...singing WE ARE THE WORLD, WE ARE THE CHILDREN......

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Originally posted by ktsnake
Neicy, since you keep bringing this stuff up and incedents actually are out there or most of these things I fealt like I should respond with examples.

I think these issues that you are giving are not something that is perpetrated by people who are of a certain race... Rather people who have both POWER and HATRED.

Rwanda, Congo, etc... All you have to do is look at some of the middle and southern African countries and tribal warfare. Different tribes trying to completely wipe eachother out (aka genocide).

This point is weak. Tribes have been warring against each other due to guess who? whites bestowing upon them the belief that one tribe is better than the other. I dare you to challenge me on this point.

Not really sure what "white privilige" is so I won't respond because of my complete ignorance on this issue.

White privilege is everything you endure or dont have to as an elite member of the caucasian persuasion. Read this
http://www.utoronto.ca/acc/events/peggy1.htm

Well you probably won't like my example very much BUT this is a perfect example where someone with both POWER and HATE have come into play. South Africa... There has been a massive exodus of whites from South Africa following the end of apartheid. These people fear for their lives and there really is quite a bit of crime there. And yes, there is black on white police brutality.

Never amazes me how people tap dance around the issue and bring in examples that dont fit the issue. We are talking about Black Americans, that live in a country called the United States.

I watch programs like "Def Comedy Jam" and other black comedy programs on BET, etc. Yes, I see PLENTY of negative stereotypes about white guys. I really doubt white guys came up with these stereotypes. We can't dance, can't jump, talk like we've got a stick up our asses, etc...

BS!!! How has that been emotionally damaging to you and white folks?How have those stereotypes stigmatized white folks at large?

Again you PROBABLY won't like my answer (because the bastards probably deserve this treatment) but South Africa after the fall of Apartheid has done EXACTLY these things. I realize that my statement here is very much an oversimplification of a VERY complex issue... However, I do so to state that it isn't a thing that white people do, it's power and hate and/or ignorance that drive this behavior.

The reason I bring this up is to say that as long as we think of ourselves as black, white, asian, whatever and divide ourselves along racial lines there WILL be inequality. As Dr MLK said we should judge people on the quality of their character and not by the color of their skin.

I'll be the first to admit that I absolutely don't think there's a level playing field. I was really truly awakened to this one night in Memphis about 4:30AM when I pulled over for gas right after I drove through downtown heading East. A part of Memphis that I believe is called "East-Central" if you're familiar. Long story short there were a lot of black folks hanging out at this gas station.. There were cops driving around EVERYWHERE... the place looked like a war zone or an occupied territory durng a war. Within about a minute of trying to get gas we had gotten the hell out of dodge. I'd had some Ice (some kind of drug that I'm not really familar with) offered to me and had a group of about 12 guys walking towards my car (as I drove off some of them were actually hanging on the side of my car). That's the only contact I've ever had with the real "ghetto" (I don't think our inner-city really compares here in Oklahoma City).

I feel very sad for these people. They need help. They did not choose this life... They were born into it. Now do I believe that it is white people that keep them there? In a way, yes... Where do people in the suburbs go when they need to buy drugs? The ghetto... They don't give a damn that this is what poisons this society and ruins the lives of so many there. This woman that tried to sell me ice saw my big red SUV at 4:30AM in her part of town and assumed (an example of her prejudices) that I had come to find some drugs and may put food on her plate.

Breaking this cycle is the responsability of society as a whole and I sure as hell don't have the answer to this. It is an entire culture that must be changed for a level playing field.

My entire point here is that I don't necessarily believe that this institution exists because of race (as a whole). It is something that occurs with each individual and his individual ignorance, power and possibly hate. My definition of racism (which I've actually modified since reading this thread) would state that yes... a black person that attacks a white person, brutally beats them, etc...for the color of their skin (like in the LA Riots) is JUST as much a racist as the policemen that beat Rodney King. Each group in each instance possessed both power and enough ignorance and hate to accomplish the deed.

But of course I will admit this is all just a semantical debate and we can't really convince eachother that we're right or wrong.. Just try to understand better where eachother are comeing from.

This discussion pops up every couple of months but I REALLY think this dialogue is some of the most interesting and valuable stuff on GC.

Yada, yada, yada, please stick to the issue on how blacks can be racist. No need for any we are the world speeches or everyone has good in their heart/I believe in good versus bad people.

LHT
Kevin

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Originally posted by Dionysus
But, we are my dear! We are the world!

Son of a gun, I didnt know that!

Again I think most have strayed from the topic.

Yes we still have prevalent racism in America (albeit somewaht more covert).

This is true.

However, we continue to miss the big picture. I BELIEVE the poster of the original article was attempting to shed light on "reverse-racism" in the United States. Unfortunatley, ONE article is not nearly substantial enough to do that. Those who believe that "reverse-racism" exists are extremely eager to point to this SINGLE ARTICLE and globalize it to every facet of life. I have read many posts from BOTH sides that say "I can name this one time..." and "I know this one person who says..." Well guess what? That ONE incident and that ONE person hardly prove anything. It only proves that you have allowed one (or even a few) situation(s) to forever shape your perspective about this topic. Globally, it proves nothing.

Again I submit that had the act in the article happend in the reverse (i.e. white girls call out racial slurs to black individual), not only would it not be newsworthy, most Americans would not even bat an eyelash.

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Originally posted by Cream

As for the original article, it seems to me that it is more the acts of children with too much free time on their hands. It was trespassing and harassment rather than bigotry, racism, or hatred in my opinion. (I'm not sure how intimidating fourteen year old girls can be, but I wasn't there.) Now a death threat from a grown man or anyone should be taken seriously.

However, the question comes up, where did they hear these phrases? While it's true that they may only have harrassed this guy they were yelling phrases that indicate hatred, and if in fact these girls are not guilty of such hatred then they had to have heard the phrases elsewhere (most likely from parents or older children) and so these issues are still relevant. There is inter-racial hatred (on many sides) out there and while that in itself is not a crime it is a crime to act on those feelings in a certain way. Because these acts stem from deep seated feelings and beliefs I don't feel that it is completely effective simply to legislate the issue. Nothing will change until ideas change and everyone has more understanding and tolerance. This happens through education, not legislation. Just my 2 cents worth.

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Originally posted by SuperSister

However, the question comes up, where did they hear these phrases? While it's true that they may only have harrassed this guy they were yelling phrases that indicate hatred, and if in fact these girls are not guilty of such hatred then they had to have heard the phrases elsewhere (most likely from parents or older children) and so these issues are still relevant. There is inter-racial hatred (on many sides) out there and while that in itself is not a crime it is a crime to act on those feelings in a certain way. Because these acts stem from deep seated feelings and beliefs I don't feel that it is completely effective simply to legislate the issue. Nothing will change until ideas change and everyone has more understanding and tolerance. This happens through education, not legislation. Just my 2 cents worth.

I agree. I think that it is unfortunate that it will take the criminal justice system to teach these girls something that their parents and families should have taught them. They are only fourteen and having a record will definitely adversely affect them for the rest of their lives.

Well, yes, there is racisim and predjudice among all peoples!

It happens! Meen/women, Asian,Black, Red, and White! RomanCatholic, Protestant, Musilum, and etal!

Do not ever tell me there isnt as there is just looking at the killing/maiming of innocent people!
Some try to do for betterment and some do not, which are you??

Am I a whitey or someone that trys to do for the better? You have to decide! If you are that radical then that is your fault not mine or anyone elses on site!

There is nothing I or anyone else can say on this site to sooth you so pound sand and leave out of our little sphere.

If we ALL do not try then nothing will get done!

If they get a record it will be a serious miscarriage of justice. You shouldn't have to carry around that type of burden at that age.

Unfortunately, if they don't have the money for a competent attourney, or the judge doesn't excercise some common sense, they may indeed be scarred for life.

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Originally posted by Cream

I agree. I think that it is unfortunate that it will take the criminal justice system to teach these girls something that their parents and families should have taught them. They are only fourteen and having a record will definitely adversely affect them for the rest of their lives.

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Originally posted by Tom Earp
Well, yes, there is racisim and predjudice among all peoples!

It happens! Meen/women, Asian,Black, Red, and White! RomanCatholic, Protestant, Musilum, and etal!

Do not ever tell me there isnt as there is just looking at the killing/maiming of innocent people!
Some try to do for betterment and some do not, which are you??

Am I a whitey or someone that trys to do for the better? You have to decide! If you are that radical then that is your fault not mine or anyone elses on site!

There is nothing I or anyone else can say on this site to sooth you so pound sand and leave out of our little sphere.

If we ALL do not try then nothing will get done!

You seem a little irate. I am missing your point, I think (except the last line, which is pretty clear).

It WOULD be an injustice for the girls to have this on their records and to have started a criminal history from this one incident, but welcome to the system. As a crimanl justice major I can tell you that this is precisely how it is carried out everyday.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by neicy81
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Originally posted by Tom Earp
Excuse me oh cranial rectosis one! Yes there is racisim by the African-American, Asian, and White Comunities!

I have no idea where you come by this information it sure is not from History!

Who do you think sold the Blacks to Americans but the Blacks who worked in conjunction with the Whites!

Whites love to mention that. But they seem to forgot that it was whites who slaughtered millions and attributed to the downfall of the race, not Africans.

Go figure!Go read a book!

I just editted this cuz I think I'm a bit retarded and I duno what I was thinkin when I wrote this. Anyway, yeah.

:rolleyes:

You have some issues that I think you should work on in therapy rather than on GC. Really.

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Originally posted by PM_Mama00

I would never ever want or say that I would buy a black or any other race as a slave...but Neicy81...I would buy u for a slave and make u do uneartly things just because. I haven't read this whole threat so I don't know if ur black, white, asian, hispanic, arabic, green, pink, blue, whatever. Nor do I care what race u are. But from what I've read or ur posts, I would buy u, just to piss me off as u have pissed me off.

PM Mama, if that's supposed to be funny it's not.

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OMGoodness......

PRAYER WORKS WONDERS!!!!!!

Y'all be killin' me, seriously! :D