Junior Circle is the only other option- which is what we are now! There are only 2-3 required offices, and there are pretty much no requirements. The problem is, all of the alumnae chapter duties (planning International Reunion Day, anniversaries, re-dedication, etc) fall to us because there is no alumnae chapter to do it.

And so you don't have reduced responsibilities? Ours do. Much less for an association than a chapter. Basically just 3 or 4 meetings a year (I forget which) and nothing else though Founders Day is encouraged but they could just meet at a restaurant and that would suffice.

Theoretically we do, but unfortunately not :( It's really affected our ability to recruit people, because we can't argue that it's no work when we have to do how many things.

While I truly respect and understand the need for NPC solidarity and if your in group you can't initiate into another, the case quoted above makes me feel that their should be a "gray" area.

What happened to those new initiates is completely unacceptable. It is immoral that the sorority, chapter and their advisory board ALLOWED them to initiate without informing them that their chapter was about to be closed. As these women WERE NOT given the chose I truly believe that they should be given a "clean slate" if they wanted to join another chapter. I don't feel NM should be punished in cases like above when its the sorority, chapter and advisors who are making decisions without consulting them.

Yes, some people might be like "well if they really wanted to be an ABC they would initiate no matter what". I really urge you to think long and hard about that. Honestly, as much as I love ADPi, if I was an 18-19 year old and was told "hey you can initiate but your chapter is closing at the end of this semester or you can drop it", I'd probably have dropped out. I would have wanted that collegiate experience (which I didn't get in the first place but that is a whole other thread).

What would happen if you didn't do them all?????? For us, not much! In fact, you can pretty much rock along as long as you file the annual report - which is very minimal - about a 5 minute online thing. And that's it.

Exactly!

There would be no International Reunion Day, or anniversaries. I know that I won't be allowed to be an advisor right now, but I don't want to burn any bridges and ruin the chances of being one later by getting the current advisors upset :( I do enjoy planning events, but it does seem a little unfair.

I think that it would be beneficial to have alumnae come to chapter meetings and talk about sorority life after college. Especially for seniors.

We do have a program where we go to a meeting with our seniors who are "bridging" to alumnae status. I have presented a couple of times. I always try to hit upon the Panhellenic community as a whole as well as our national organization. Let's face it, when we are out in the world, we are statistically more likely to have contact with people from other groups than our own. Of course, we want our women to discover life long membership and its rewards but sometimes it is discovering how alike we all are to make that happen. For those struggling to have their own alum group, maybe it would be a great idea to try to form a local Panhellenic group. You may be able to mine a lot of members that way. If not, you at least have the support of greek sisters.

True. I know several collegiate presidents who've never even been to an alumnae meeting in their own city.

Interesting observation.

However, I think… it really just depends.

I came from one of those small chapters. I also joined as a second semester sophomore and in the time I was active I held the positions of Bylaws, Secretary, New Member Educator, Panhellenic VP, and Panhellenic President. For the most part, we only had between 8-12 sisters (not including new members), so we were holding two or more positions at once. And everyone had to pitch in and help each other when big events came up (recruitment, formal, pageant, etc.).

After graduation, I got involved as the chapter's Recruitment Advisor as soon as I could. I assisted in starting up the Erie Alumnae Chapter. I then moved to NJ where there was no alumnae chapter in the immediate area (and I had a job that kept me traveling most of the time, anyway), but then a couple years later I moved to Texas and got involved with the alumnae chapter there. I was elected to the Secretary position. In addition, I'm now the Lead Editor for the national magazine.

There is such a mix of alumnae involvement from my chapter sisters and how long they were involved as collegians. In the time I was active/the Recruitment Advisor, I saw three different Presidents make their way through. Each of them held the position for two years. One of them joined second semester freshman year, and two of them joined in their sophomore year. The freshman-joiner was basically AST's cheerleader and best recruitment asset while she was a collegian, but she dropped off the face of the earth after she graduated. One of the sophomore-joiners also assisted in starting the Erie Alumnae Chapter, but in the middle of that process, she also disappeared. The last of the three worked her butt off for the sorority in college, worked as an Educational Consultant after graduation, and has moved her way up working at Headquarters in a couple different positions.

I know of two chapter sisters who joined in their second semester senior year. One of them did nothing with the sorority after graduation; the other was the one who really got the Alumnae Chapter off the ground and made it as successful as it is today. She made it known that she wanted to join so that she could contribute as an alumna member.

There were five new members in my class. All of us were at the same point in our college careers (second semester sophomores) when we joined, except one who was a junior. One of the girls dropped out almost immediately after initiation, two others haven't been involved after graduation at all (one of which was the junior-joiner), and two of us have worked as advisors and have been involved with alumnae chapters.

Again… I think it just all depends. But I have definitely witnessed the burnout, and I can understand why that would turn some people away. However, there are others who still think, "If I don't do it, no one will," or they move to a new place and want to make some fast friends, or they just love the sorority and want to do anything they can to help, and they just keep on keeping on and find out that alumnae membership is completely different than collegiate membership.

I found your post fascinating. I, too, came from one of those small chapters - there were around 20 while I was in school; it dropped to as few as 12 before rebounding. There were a lot of functions and events on campus where we literally couldn't participate due to manpower. Frequently, our sisters would (as individuals) join forces with one of the fraternities so they could be involved.

None of my chapter sisters is truly involved. Some of us belong to alumnae chapters, but we found our experiences to be so different from what most did that we have little in common. Yet almost all my sisters are fully invested in something else, from community organizations to state organizations to national organizations. Because as young alumnae we had only our symbols in common with other alumnae, it seems we looked elsewhere. I'm not saying that's a good thing.

We need to talk :) I'll PM you, but there are differences between alumnae clubs and alumnae chapters and you have options and there are people on VST available to help you. And there are plenty of collegiate chapters who plan their own IRD.

LOL, the first thing I thought of when talking to ColdInCanada was "She needs to talk to AGDee!"