Yes that would be nice! I know also a lot of girls who did get bids felt bad celebrating because their friends and neighbors didn't so it also takes away from their excitement. Some rho gammas have personally let girls know beforehand if they didn't get a bid (although im not sure their allowed to do that) so that they know not to expect anything.

Also thanks for everyones continued support!

Take care of yourself and throw yourself into the activities and opportunities that happen at a large state university! You have so much to offer and to learn from your time at indiana. I wish you all good things.

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Just to answer a few questions that were asked (I don't really feel like going back and quoting them though):

Yes, IU sororities do submit a quota prior to recruitment starting. However it does have a bit of movement- if I remember correctly we could increase our quota but not decrease after recruitment started.

COB/COR whatever you want to call it is rare. and if it happens, it is VERy hush-hush.

Snap bids do happen occassionally, however they can only be given to women that attended preference at the chapter.

NPC headquarters are an hour up the road from IU. NPC would love to change IU. IU doesn't want to change. IU chapters don't want to be SEC sized. They don't see a 300 member chapter as a good thing.

I still feel that a 59% match rate is nothing to be proud of. One also has to keep in mind that the 59% match rate you cite represents an *improvement* over prior years.

Also, I feel that in a bed rush, with a fixed number of bids to give out, the number of withdraws/no shows is deceptive.

With 1733 women initially registering, 182 did not meet the grade requirement to rush. That brings the number down to 1,551. Sororities gave out 1025 bids. I'm going to assume that is pretty close to the fixed number of bids they had to offer. That leaves approximately 526 women who never had a chance of getting a bid -- roughly one third of the women rushing.

I am not from Indiana, and I don't have much knowledge regarding the way they conduct recruitment. I look at these stats, and when saying 59% match rate, I feel that is not completely accurate.

I look at the 104 women who withdrew/no showed for 21 party day, this should NOT go against Indiana's placement rate. Those women didn't show up for day 1.... They have no reason to be upset with placement rates, they did not show up...

The second column shows 182 women who did not meet academic requirements and were released. Again, this is by no fault of the Panhellenic at Indiana. Each organization has academic requirements, it is the PNM's job to meet these requirements.

That is 286 women who I don't believe should count negatively against Indiana's placement rate. If you take those original numbers out of this equation, Indiana would then actually have close to a 71% placement.

Then take a look at the withdrawls from 14, 8, and 3 party days (these are women who decided they did not like the remaining options OR that Greek life was not for them), that total is 272. Withdrawing happens everywhere, I have to ask myself what other campuses look like in terms of placement.

It is unfortunate for the 146 women that were released, I agree, but I don't think the placement rate is as bad as it first appears. 92% of the women who choose to stick through recruitment are placed into an organization.

A question (directed to everyone): I believe someone mentioned earlier that IU would like to see all 26 NPCs on their campus by 2020. Whether that's true or not, I don't know. However, I would have to assume that at some point, IU might HAVE to change. Let's say the school gets all 26 NPCs on campus.. or let's even assume that they can't, and they max out at 23, for example. If Greek life continues to grow and grow, presumably either the bed quota will have to be done away with, or the number of PNMs who maximize their options but go bidless will increase.

Granted, this might not happen for a number of years, but again, assuming that more and more PNMs sign up each year, I would guess that something would eventually have to give...


ETA: What's the average chapter size currently?

it doesn't have to change at all. While it is extremely rare for girls to go bidless at other schools, it is not at IU. This isn't a democracy and if 3000 girls want to try for 600 spots, so be it. While I think it's weird and oddly exclusionary, I'm not a student there and have no say.

Remember there is no campus total, so chapter size is left up to the individual chapters. It ranges from approximately 130-190. The smallest chapter does not allow live outs, has a beautiful historic home and purposely keeps their chapter small to emphasize the desirability. The larger chapters are either unhoused or allow live outs.


Forever Roses correct my figures if you have more accurate ones from the chapters.

I hate the word awkward too, I use it because that is what I hear the girls say...who knows what that even means. It seems to me like its code for "I'm so ms everything I am too good for that house." Sigh.

Yep, I tried to kind of post that earlier but you did a much better job! I've been really critical of IU's system....but I think I need to dial it down a bit. Those 286 women you counted could have gotten bids or joined a potential new chapter...but would they?? Probably not.

I'm assuming there are students-only complexes abounding in the area. If one of them had sense, they would call themselves "Grecian Quarters" (or something else alluding to the Greek system) and earmark wings/chunks for individual sororities.

There are three apartment complexes that rent blocks to Greeks: 10th & College and Terra Trace (don't know if it's still called that) and two apartment complexes that rent blocks to the underground (kicked off campus) fraternities. They don't have to re-name themselves, it's fairly common knowledge among the Greeks.

Yes, I wasn't accusing you of inventing that word to describe actives/pnms, etc., as I knew it's just the word all the young people are using now. I guess it's better than "goob" which was the word of choice in my day, but not by much. Ahhh, if we could only put our 30, 40, 50, or 60-year old minds into some of these 18-year-olds' bodies, rush might be much less of a social war/popularity contest.

Your numbers match mine exactly. When you look at the totals, only 146 women were released without a bid (11 after 8 party and 135 after pref). Of that number, I am not sure how many didn't maximize all their options during recruitment. All the others withdrew or were grade released.
Quota this past year ranged from 35-70; actual pledge classes ranged from 37-84 (so you can see that QAs do happen).