33girl, 12dn94dst, Rain Man
Thanks for all of your replies. That has helped me out a lot.

Peace

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12dn94dst I'd like to see that tape. I would have e-mailed you but my computer won't connect me to my email right now...technology.

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...I am standing on the shoulders of giants...

YAY, one of my alma maters! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif
Just have to do a shout-out!

OH, and to add to the convo, at our school you would not find NON-NPHC orgs stepping in the greek show.

I think that ONE TIME KKPsi POSSIBLY stepped during the intermission, while the judges totaled the scores, that was about it.

Maybe it is pointless to you, but it may not be to others. If this issue(s) and discussions don't appeal to you, turn a deaf ear/blind eye and don't read or post to this thread. It's really that simple.

Please don't infringe on our right to post issues that we feel are relevant and/or important.

Thank you.

Rain Man
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Sista Kelly, were members of Omega Psi Phi in attendance at this event? I can't imagine this travesty being allowed without severe repercussions. When the Iota Colony at TSU attempted to do the same thing, they were taught a lesson in NPHC etiquette with a quickness. Oh well, different campuses, different flava I guess.

BTW, there is a famous comedian in LA who is an APO but is claiming to be a member of my fraternity, from my chapter, from my year!! I was told this by comedian Steve Harvey. After, I picked my jaw up off the floor, I quickly informed "Mr. Hightower" that he was dealing with a perp.

No, the Bruhs were not there, they were suspended at the time and no other Bruhs made the trip to that show. The chapter came off suspension the quarter following the show. Now that I think about it, that was the first & last time I saw APOs in gold boots in public like that.

Cool. Like I said, I have to dig it up. I'll let you know when I find it.

RM - Is this Lamar University in Beaumont, TX? Just curious, cause if so it's the only non-HBCU on the list and in my hometown. Just being nosey.

KKPsi steps at the annual show the Kappas put on. I attend a REALLY REALLY predominantly white university, so most of the teams are usually from other schools. Of course our KKPsi chapter is lily-white.. so when the ones from PV went to steppin we were like WHAAAA?? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif I never knew.

Skeet Skeet!!!

Wassup Rain Man, I see you've been holding it down.

What I've seen in here is typical of what we have been getting over the years.

The Question: "Why the need?" is all over this page. Let me explain.....

Kimmie1913 - "This seems to be a local issue exclusive to those campuses where APO/GSS are sen as trying to represent like other BGLO's.

This statement, althought carefully orchestrated as to attempt to not offend, comes off as still being condensending. Because it assumes that APO/GSS are seen as trying to represent AS other BGLO's. Not
Just being who they want to be. The problem is how we are preceived by individuals who don't know the history behind us. We are new to them.

Why the need?

Kimmie1913 - (APO in particular, some all male chapters, other co-ed chapters, some have this symbol, others have that symbol, some focus on service only, others want to have line names and calls) is there any wonder people may not be clear/ familliar with who you are?

Ahhh, the need is clear and we have come full circle. It is very evident that people need to know. It "can" be very confusing. But the confusion should not lead to anger. It should lead to curiosity.

Why the need?


ahhkbah - The 25/52 family on my campus does nothing like that. They have nothing at all to do with NPHC.

Every where you see a APO and/or GSS group you do not see a 25/52 group. Some campuses as we stated earlier are not in the 25/52 family. You see, in the 25/52 family all the members of the fraternity are men and all the sisters in the sorority are female. Then you have individuals that are at coed chapters which carry themselves totally different. All the Alpha Phi Omega brothers in all male chapter 25/52 chapters consider all the males Ay-Phi-Que from their rich heritage. And you are correct, they do not have anything to do with the NPHC. I saw some brothers in Ay-Phi-Que recently get Branded. And they've been doing that for a long time. Gold Boots, Army Boots, Call, What does it matter? Why does stepping attire matter? I've seen Iota's stepping in Gold Boots. Dang! That goes right in there with some DST sister putting a check on a GSS sister about the color marron that they wear. It's pointless. If you have gold in your national colors, why get checked for wearing anything gold.

Why the Need?

33girl - I can only speak for my own campus (not a HBCU) and say that it would have been an extremely sorry sight if my APO chapter would have tried to step. We would have been falling on our faces and then some.

Hello brother 33girl. You probably haven't seen anything like APQbrothers and GSSsisters
comming together in a step show, saying the Call Skeet Skeet, or calling themselves Vikings or frat with a brand on his shoulder.
But that's okay. Just as white GLO's and Black GLO's are different, so is the contigency of the 25/52 family and Coed Chapters. We do are thing because, as the
NPHC grows, we "Service Greeks" refused to be squeezed out by condesending "NPHC Orgs".

Why the need?

Because if we continue to not enlighten others of who we are, then assumptions will reign. And because I already know that they
have talked negatively about our orgs to individuals, discussing our legitamacy in just the greek system alone. There always a
need. Like Kimmie1913 said, It happens. If you do not stand up for your org, then you legitamize what is being said about your org.

The question was "Why the animosity?". Stated as such to located it and review it and shed light to it if necessary. That's all. Because there is a need for a general unstanding. Especially from the people that
refuse to inquire and attempt to explain what they've seen with the knowledge they should acquire first.

If we began 5 years ago doing this and that, I would be more receptive, maybe. Even then
if what I was doing was simular it would have to be identical for me to even ask all chapters to change what we do/did.

What do the 25/52 family expect from the NPHC orgs? Something simple as respect. Why the NPHC orgs? because that has been where the disrespect has came from. And that may not be in your area but it's been in several areas. Every org that access this page may not be even aware of this consending character that we feel runs rampet. That has doesn't say that it doesn't exist. And if we have educated one today, then that'll be on less attitude that we have to come across tommorrow.

Much love to all the GLO's, because we are all brothers and sisters. I just happen to be a Ay-Phi-Que Viking!

Skeet Skeet!

JayBEE!

PLEASE!!!!!!!!

Leave my frat out of this debate. I have talked to my frat that I have seen wear Gold boots and told them that is not cool (other bros. have told them too). That is part of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc.'s history and is their tradition.

This is about APO doing those things, not NPHC orgs. and other BGLOs doing those things. Keep the discussion focused on that because you will open up a can of worms that need not be opened (even though the lid has been cracked already).


I for one respect the HISTORY of all GLOs. But when I see something done NOT in one's history I begin to wonder. (I feel like "do your own thing and be original" *for that reason is why I chose Iota*)

Let's leave it at that.

One luv APO/GSS, NPHC, BGLO's, and GLOs in general!


*Dag and I was not going to say anything until you put my fam up in it*

it just gets better.... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

so do you consider the "non-25/52 chapters" as your real frat and real sorors? and how do you non-family members (if there are any on this board) feel about this statment?

are ya'll not in the same organization(s)? why the separatist attitude?

No dear, y'all are in the NPHC and are "guilty" by association. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Sorry.

So do you consider the "non-25/52 chapters" as your real frat and real sorors?


I love answering questions of the curious. Because it a growth opportunity for either party. Yes they are our real fraternity brothers and real sorority sisters.

and how do you non-family members (if there are any on this board) feel about this statment?

They are always around. Most of them do not care. Because they have there own family right in there coed chapter and near by chapters.

Are ya'll not in the same organization(s)?

Yes we are.

Why the separatist attitude?

It's not an attitude, it's a state of being. I was told by a white female that she could stand white who acted black. What? What's that? If you are on a predominately black campus the enviorment is very different than if you were on a predominately white campus. Greek life also varies between the predominately black GLO's and predominately white GLO's and Hispanic.

This separation is nothing new. It's a natural flow. The Bayou Classic is a huge event in the state of Louisania, but even if you love college football you wouldn't see that many people other than black. Tennessee State University has a near 30 percent enroll ment of people other than black, but when they have games or campus events you do not even see them. Why? do yo think that is?

Alpha Phi Omega and Gamma Sigma Sigma is like the United States in that you have a large contingency of the different races. And if you have a large number of one race with rich traditions within a their community of people, the way we are should not get flushed by anybody who don't think we ought to even be. Even though we carry those traditions from chapter to chapter, it is up to the chapter or individual who would like to be in the 25/52 family.

Keep asking and it will get even better

JayBEE!

I'm not in APO, but they are very, very big on my campus. This was my thought exactly after that post. I find it incredible that you can separate yourself from the rest of your national organization like that, and I know that it would totally dismay some of my really good friends who are in APO that have the org 100% in their heart. All I can say is wow.