You're the one who started the thread about how much you don't like the sororities on your campus and that you think you can do it better. I'll reiterate that was not the appropriate way to ask us for help. I'll comment as much as I darn well please. You can read it or not.

Nowhere on this specific thread has anyone said the first word about greek organizations only mattering while people members in college. Nowhere. Please quote your reference.

Spelling does count. When words are misspelled, you lose credibility.

You have actually been offered some constructive advice on this thread. Here's some more.

It is clear from your posts that you do not have the knowledge to do what you are asking about.

Yes, our organizations started from scratch at some point in time. For NPC organizations, the reality the founders lived in is not the same reality we live in today. On a local level, you are now having to compete with the established chapters of international GLOs who have awesome organizational structure in place. Founders in the late 19th and early 20th centuries often did not have other organizations that were direct competition. If this was the case [such as with the Farmville Four (ZTA, KD, ASA, & Tri Sigma) or Syracuse Triad (Alpha Phi, Gamma Phi Beta, and AGD), the founding dates were typically not decades apart, so the new organizations did not have to compete with large century old or more established groups.

If you have thoughts of beginning something that you want to grow and sustain, you need to know the history of your competition. It is a competition as well as a sisterhood. You are competing for new members. NPC groups are not going to allow dual membership. New members can be in your group or the other groups, but not both.

You have to decide if this is something that you want to do for you and some friends while you are in school or if it is something that you want to grow, but don't come here and expect us to give you the answers you're looking for. Message boards are not equivalent to research.

Not your kids! Not your kids!

Also, just talkin' bout words here.

Why in the excrement are you explaining?

You have an excrement receptacle mouth, DrPhil.

All of this, eh?

Yeah, I'm at work, and avoiding what I'm supposed to really be doing. I'll get back to it. This one got under my skin.

That's bullfeces.

Y'all are making my eyes moist with all of this banter.

Get your underpants out of a twist.

Knickers is another funny word. As in "get your knickers out of a twist."

I wonder if in Britain they call granny panties granny knickers?

While we're on the subject of bathroom humor:

http://gawker.com/5847425/the-poop+p...-bike-of-japan

:eek:

There are other types of sororities that offer a somewhat similar experience to NPC depending on the campus, but NPHC does not fall into this category.

The oversimplified way aspirants join NPHC groups (at least, the successful ones) is to individually research them all and keep their opinions private until they decide which one to pursue (even then, it's a quiet process until she crosses or is initiated). A woman who tries to join Zeta Phi Beta at first and is unsuccessful will not have success trying to join Delta Sigma Theta. A woman would be similarly received if she pursued Alpha Kappa Alpha after going through NPC recruitment. Aspirants choose to pursue XYZ or nothing, and that includes other types of social GLOs. Aspirants may try more than once, and sometimes are accepted after the first attempt, but many will meet the reality of not being Greek, and most aspirants know that is a possibility, though the NPHC has its share of entitled snowflakes as well.

I know it sounds like the complete opposite from the "keep an open mind" mantra we preach in the NPC, and it is. I see you're trying to be inclusive by suggesting NPHC as another way to be Greek, but it does not have the effect you intend.

I'm sure there are women who aren't immediately sure if they'd like to join an NPC or NPHC sorority. I believe there was a story on GC a few years ago about a woman who went through NPC/local recruitment at NYU before becoming a Sigma Gamma Rho, but the username escapes me. Such cases are the exception. MAYBE you could convince an NPHC chapter that you went through NPC recruitment to meet people or to decide if it is for you. The truth is, if a woman is NPHC material, it won't need to be suggested to her. She will find it herself.

Are your sororities local or national?

How many of the 15 girls in your interest group went through sorority rush? How many of those were offered bids? How many of them began pledging and dropped out? How many disaffiliated/quit their sorority after they were intiated?

Interest groups that are filled with nothing but disappointed women NEVER go far.

As far as creating a place where women "feel safe" - unless they're walking into their houses and getting raped by a succubus on a daily basis, you're being a little ridiculous and overdramatic. All sororities have drama. If they didn't, either 1) they wouldn't care about each other at all or 2) they'd be a bunch of vapid clones. You have no idea what it's like when you are inside of it.

In regards to spelling - on an online forum, yes, it DOES count, as it's the only way we have of communicating with you. People who can't spell on here (or other forums) usually get pegged as lazy, dumb, and/or careless. It's a bad habit to say "it's just the internet, who cares?" So much of our lives and businesses ARE online, you should care. Start now, before you develop bad habits and make a horrible impression on your boss or someone else truly important.

NPHC organizations very well could fit into this category and are more likely to be so on campuses where they are not the only kind of organization.

If, for example, there is a man or woman, African American, who was not raised among African Americans socially, and did first semester fall rush and for some reason just didn't fit, lost interest, whatever, it's not outside the realm of possibility that four semesters later, they could find what they're looking for in an NPHC org. There's nothing wrong with having that conversation with someone.

Campuses are changing, as are the students pursuing membership, and what may have been the norm for many of us as undergraduates may very well have been a problem.

In other words, I agree with DubaiSis.

Someone who needed to be told "have you considered Delta" needs to keep that need to themselves if they become a Delta aspirant. When I ask you "why Delta," you better not say that someone told you to give it a try because you were complaining about Greek Life or got rejected from another GLO. That goes for the collegiate and alumnae levels.

So, again, I disagree with DubaiSis (and SenusretI) if that need to be told is what she is talking about. We are not alternatives to NPC organizations and we are not second options in the sense that people who can't find their way should be told "have you tried Delta Sigma Theta?"

Researching and finding your way is how it was always done in the NPHC. Back in my parents' day of the 1950s-1960s (as well as before that and until the 1990s) a lot of people would be pledging one NPHC and end up another NPHC because the pledge process was so long. Even if that is considered "shopping around" (beyond doing research, meeting people, and attending programs), it is more understandable considering it was very difficult to get information on GLOs beyond what you saw on college campuses and at campus programs. They didn't have the Internet and other learning tools. As for times changing, yes that's what I referenced in another thread about NPHCers depledging or getting expelled and founding another GLO.