Ah, so he got the "Subpar Student Scholarship" to Harvard Law?

And he got Editor of Harvard Law Review the same way!

It's all a conspiracy I tell ya! But I'm no more offended by someone getting a leg up for their race or sex than for who their daddy is...:rolleyes:

Hey, when are you going to address the allegations that you're a perp? Perp.

See, I don't know anyone who says "you don't like the healthcare law because you're racist" as PIKA claims. I'm sure it happened somewhere to someone, but the automatic response to this question by people on sites like freerepublic and Limbaugh's site is: "Affirmative Action." That is racism.

And because mainstream politicians, until lately, have subtly encouraged the birthers by saying things like "Well I believe he was born here, but other people don't and I'm not going to tell them what to think." (Speaker of the House) and in the process, encouraged the racist elements at the same time.

Honestly Trump's craziness has made the Bachmann's of the world back off the birth certificate thing to some extent even prior to this release. I almost wonder if he set this whole thing up to force the GOP to draw a line and say "this crazy, no further."

FWIW, anyone who applies for their birth certificate in many states (including PA) must specifically ask for the full form or for genealogical purposes to get more than that fact that they were born.

Between the he's going to be consulting the Pope on every decision because he's Catholic factor and the Many Sins Of Papa Joe factor (bootlegger, thought Hitler was harmless, cheated on Rose and banged Gloria Swanson, lobotomized his daughter, allegedly bought the election) people freaking HATED JFK and I would say it's very close to what Obama is going through now. It's well documented that while he was alive, only something like 30% of people said they voted for him - after he died, 70% said they did. (Or numbers roughly to that effect) If he hadn't died, it's nowhere near sure he would have gotten a second term or been well thought of in the least.

JFK just didn't have to put up with 500 TV channels and other media outlets.

I wish I was born into my scholarship.

Of course he attended Columbia after attending the ever prestigious Occidental College. What I mentioned above is why people want to know his college transcripts. Given his intelligence level, he was likely accepted due to the same reasons George Bush was accepted...birthright. In George's case, the correct family. In Obama's case, the correct race (or half-race or whatever).

Accusations are going to arise similar to this as long as Affirmative-Action exists. It's one of the many flaws with the theory.

I don't address obsessions. They tend to make people more obsessive.

On a thread related topic, I don't understand the birthers claim. I mean, I get the idea of it, but why not just simply say "he is one of the worst Presidents of the last fifty years" and state the reasoning instead of hiding behind specious claims about birthright.

In what way, oh genius?

No, my problem is that your arguments on race are tired, repetitive, and insane.

Mine might be too.

Hey Maddie and David, get a damn room.

You can chill with your continuous attempts to inform the masses that you do geneological work, we get that. Lets just say that every single state in the union requires you to specifically request the long form and the default is the short form/certificate of live birth, in the end of the day he still shouldn't have had to go to this length to prove where he was born if it is not law and if other Presidents only produced the short form.

Do I know what other Presidents provided? Nope, never looked into it. Do I think everyone handed in the long form, Nope, I don't.

Which is why your "concerns" about his college records will never be addressed.

And you're still a perp.

I'd be surprised if any other presidents ever produced a birth certificate. It only became an issue in this case (well, if you put aside obsessive conspiracy theories) because of the fact that his father wasn't American, his mother had lived overseas before and after his birth, and the fact that some people apparently had trouble remembering exactly when Hawaii became a state.

What's interesting to me is that I remember more "conversation" before the election about whether McCain is a natural-born citizen than whether Obama is.

When I voted, there was a man who probably shouldn't have been allowed to vote (he was rather drunk) who said something to the effect of "I don't know what I bothered cominig here - neither of them are technically American anyhow." His buffoonery amused the rest of us.

MC, was it Jackson who was questioned about his birthplace? One of earlier Presidents was thought to have been born on the ship heading towards America.

Hmmm. I know there's always been a dispute about whether Jackson was born in North or South Carolina. According to The Source (aka the Wiki), Chester Arthur seems to have been the only president about whom a question was ever raised, with some claiming that he was born in Canada.