Originally Posted by dnall (Post 2042942)

I like the SEC in terms of history & also a lot of fraternity chapters but that's not restricted to SEC, not so much sororities, which are large also.

Honestly 70-115ish is solid for any greek org. You have enough money to operate at a high level, but you also have few enough people to be close to them & avoid too much cliqueiness as long as you really stay on top of it.

Disclaimer: Seriously, no offense to chapters bigger or smaller than that, I'm just stating an opinion.

Disclaimer2: why are disclaimers necessary?


Of course there's more to it then that. I'm far from imperfect, but she had some issues about the age thing beyond just the age thing between us & beyond the constant shit from outside, that compounded with some family stressors to put it beyond dealing with anymore. It's a painful situation for both of us, and ultimately about a huge laundry list of things, the vast majority of which were less about our direct one-on-one relationship than... well just other outside things.

In any case, I appreciate the understanding. I'm quite confident though that GC is not the place to go for therapy.

Originally Posted by dnall (Post 2027910)

I don't know how many "pacific" chapters you've visited of any fraternity, but they are just not the same. Greek life in a lot of places in those regions is not strong. Many of those chapters don't care much about the ritual. I would prefer not to expand strongly in those directions. Not when there is so much other fertile territory elsewhere. Especially in places we've had chapters before.

Originally Posted by dnall (Post 2029697)

Greek life in the west sucks. It's a different thing completely. Unless you've spent some time around it in the south or on the east cost and to a lesser extent some places in the central US, you really don't understand what I'm saying.

In any case, this is an ATO asking about expansion in a geographic area where most locations are very weak. Nationals will try to keep things geographically balanced to some degree, but ultimately it's a business. You want big strong stable chapters with higher percentages of alumni that stay involved, preferably from schools where they have a better chance at doing well in life.

Why would I support going to a school with flat to declining recruiting numbers that support average chapters of 30 guys? Especially when I can go a dozen other places that will jump quickly to 70-90 guys and have strong regional alumni support.

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel (Post 2042945)

You can have your opinions, we all do, but what you believe is right and proper is unrealistic for many schools, let alone other fraternities, sororities, and beyond that groups that aren't historically and predominantly white and Christian.

It is hard not to take offense when you have posts like these:

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...10#post2027910



http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...97#post2029697



There is also your post about groups shutting down or reinventing, which is also insulting. There are ways to express an opinion to get people to engage in a constructive dialog, which I find difficult to do when I read your posts. Why discuss something with someone who has a narrow focus and idea and can't or won't see the ideas and opinions of others without belittling or insulting people in the process?

Originally Posted by dnall (Post 2042715)

I would say their founding was short sighted. They have lost their purpose & therefore should dissolve or remake themselves with a new change the world purpose. Otherwise it's sitting in a car that's out of gas blasting the radio and pressing on the pedals thinking you're getting to your destination. I'd rather see them out of the way so those members will go to orgs that do actively have a serious change the world mission to accomplish.

Originally Posted by Regina.George (Post 2042950)

My favorite was this one, in speaking about all GLOS that are not historically white:



Now that we let 'those folks' in, those other shortsighted organizations have no purpose.

Originally Posted by dnall (Post 2042942)

In any case, I appreciate the understanding. I'm quite confident though that GC is not the place to go for therapy.

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 2042976)

Au Contraire, Mon Frère. That's exactly what we do here.:cool:

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel (Post 2042979)

I doubt they'd cover any medical issue arising from meat in a sink or GC after dark, how would that be coded? We better hope Planned Parenthood stays open and funded if people with meaty sinks are blowing up twatter.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2042981)

I think those are covered by STD/Short-term Disability.

Originally Posted by dnall (Post 2042942)

Honestly 70-115ish is solid for any greek org. You have enough money to operate at a high level, but you also have few enough people to be close to them & avoid too much cliqueiness as long as you really stay on top of it.

Disclaimer: Seriously, no offense to chapters bigger or smaller than that, I'm just stating an opinion.

Disclaimer2: why are disclaimers necessary?

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel (Post 2042979)

Seriously, KSUViolet should gets hours towards a professional requirement in "a helping profession" for how nice she's been to some people in the recruitment forum. We already have our own GC DSM thread.

Is it therapeutic if sometimes coming to GC and reading certain posts or posters makes me feel more confident and grounded in how awesome my life and choices are? Should I ask if GC can receive some of my Health and Wellness insurance benefit?

I doubt they'd cover any medical issue arising from meat in a sink or GC after dark, how would that be coded? We better hope Planned Parenthood stays open and funded if people with meaty sinks are blowing up twatter.