I'll answer it for you. If you were in MJ's shoes, you would be in prison, right now. And honestly, I think you know you would be in prison, too. Why? Because you don't have millions of dollars to get you off.

I agree, and I agree with knight_shadow also, but there are some cases where I don't think it should take that long to put someone out of their misery. Like the DC sniper. I just don't get why he was on death row for 7 years. Everyone knew he did it. They caught him pretty much red handed.

They're protected by the same rights, but not everyone is treated the same way in similar cases. I agree with most of what you're saying, but I can't agree the money part of it, which is why I brought up MJ and OJ.

Nice job there "Do you know what would have happened?" "Let me TELL you the answer to my own question."

Your lack of understanding about the law, the appeals process and pretty much everything around that is why you don't "get" it. And the only way to fix that is to educate yourself. For every DC sniper who we "know" did it, there are a dozen other people who are convicted under more circumstantial evidence. You give all of them the same access to appeals.

That's not what you were initially talking about. You were talking about killing the accused without a trial or without putting them on death row, in some cases. My point was that someone would have to determine when a certain case is one of "those cases," and there are a lot of problems that go along with that.

But the "money part" isn't exclusive to the justice system. There are many industries in which having more money will benefit you.

As an aside, when you talk about the "white trash" folks that shop at Wal-mart and Subway, aren't you treating them differently because of their income levels? Just something to think about.

Sorry, but I don't buy that. We've had this discussion enough that I think it's more than venting.

And even if this assertion has some truth to it, it relates to Constitutional rights in general, or to an incident involving an illegal alien -- someone I'm willing to bet has neither fame nor money -- how? If your problem is that those with money get off easier (or completely), then why this about the guy in this case:

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1949180) Wow, another piece of garbage protected by America's crappy justice system. $$$$$$$ eta: and he'll even get an attorney to represent him in court, even though the evidence is there that he did this to that child. More money wasted on garbage. And I'm sure he'll be able to plead something stupid. Only in America where the criminal is protected.:rolleyes:

Sorry. OJ's case doesn't support this post. At all.

This.

How can you say you agree with due process but then say that, in cases like this, we should just go ahead an execute someone? I believe your exact words were "why can't they just do away with him right now. Today."

That's selective due process -- some people are entitled to it and some people aren't. And it's a dangerous idea. Somebody just might decide that you are one of the people who is not entitled to it.

I think they should get a trial. I just don't think they should be on death row as long as some people have if all of the evidence is there.

Huh? I used to eat at Subway. I never said anything about Subway, except for the name and I've always done that. I didn't mean anything by it. And no, I don't like Walmart. There's just certain people I don't like to be around, and I never said anything about race or anyone's income level. I said I have a problem with people taking advantage of the welfare system. And this doesn't have anything to with what we were discussing.

o.k. MC, in the sniper shooting, what was the point of him being on death row for 7 years?

Trials also require money.

And, again, people aren't infallible. If someone incorrectly collects DNA samples and it results in a faulty conviction, should the accused still be put to death immediately? Even though it's tainted, the evidence is there.

I'm not sure how your dislike of Wal-Mart relates to welfare. Either way, people that are on welfare are from a certain income/social standing, so you're indirectly treating people of varied income levels differently.

True with the first part.

No, it doesn't have anything to do with Walmart. You said "income levels", I wasn't connecting that to Walmart. I just don't like Walmart, period. And yes, if someone is taking advantage of the welfare system, I do have issues with that. It's when people keep having more kids when they can't afford the ones they have.

So, tax money will be spent on these people, period. Putting them to death quickly doesn't make someone a free (in the monetary sense) criminal.

This is going on a different tangent, so let's just cut this part and focus on the topic at hand :)

and how about the times you made fun of people who worked there..."how hard is it to put meat between 2 pieces of bread?" and calling them 'sandwich artists.'

Well that is what they are officially called.

Really if we're going to look at the depths of the "looking down her nose at people" how about the "Online dating means you're ugly"

I honestly don't know why Walmart and race (which I've never said anything about) was brought up in the first place. Really, I don't. But okay, back on topic.

Putting them to death saves the tax payer money, though. I mean, it cost more to keep them in prison than it does to just do away with them. But since you brought up DNA evidence being tainted, then yeah, I agree with you and MC about that, and I wouldn't be able to live with myself putting someone to death who didn't do the crime. I just wish money/fame wasn't a major factor, because it really is to an extent. I think it is.

Ehh, it was brought up for a reason, but nevermind.

As far as the second paragraph, what about these people:
- Roman Polanski
- T.I.
- Lil Wayne
- Martha Stewart
- Michael Vick
- Bernard Madoff

All of these people have fame, money, or both, but all served time (or are/will be serving time) for the crimes they've committed.

ETA: And race wasn't brought up, at least not by me.