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PeppyGPhiB 02-18-2009 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1780821)
Eh...no one absorbs instantaneously even if they think they do. :)

Anyway, you always have to read all of the information provided. Obviously reading the full bill would give you a direct and detailed reference as with reading the original document for anything. However, 5% or less of the American population will be reading the full bill, hence the website. There is more to the website than the bar chart and perhaps more details on specific programs under the categories will be released as details become available.

We have to have high expectations but realistic expectations.

Yes, it says right there in black and white that all of the spending will be specified once it's determined. I believe states and specific programs have to apply for some of it. We can't expect the federal government to just know which road projects, school programs, etc. need funding without states saying, "Hey! Over here! We've got this bridge replacement we need done ASAP..." (for example)

deepimpact2 02-18-2009 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam (Post 1780781)
I hope you realize that at least three people's signatures pertain to you, deepimpact2. And by three people, I mean THREE POSTERS IN THIS THREAD ALONE.

1. I'm not interested enough in other people's signatures to take notice of that if that is in fact the case.
2. I really hope you aren't saying that they actually CHANGED their signatures just to refer to ME. IF that is the case, you DO realize that's pathetic right? I certainly wouldn't waste a perfectly good signature on any of you. You don't warrant THAT kind of attention. It's enough to just post in response to comments made. :D
3. You must have been the class tattletale when you were in elementary school. I find it kind of strange that you just felt a pressing need to point that out. In the future...um...don't waste your time on things like that. I don't care. It won't make me stop posting.

DaemonSeid 02-18-2009 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB (Post 1780850)
Yes, it says right there in black and white that all of the spending will be specified once it's determined. I believe states and specific programs have to apply for some of it. We can't expect the federal government to just know which road projects, school programs, etc. need funding without states saying, "Hey! Over here! We've got this bridge replacement we need done ASAP..." (for example)

Funny that you mention that...

I was hearing on the news this morning how some states once they knew how much they would be getting have already had plans in place on improvement projects that needed to be done ASAP.
Also you are correct, states have presented their cases before Congress about what they needed money for and how much, thus once the stimulus package was conceived, I believe it was already deteremined around about how much states that needed assistance would get and what they were to use it on.

ETA: Talking about catastrophes...The New York Post is mighty ballsy with this one today:

Delonas Toon

Gotta love the hot dank smell of idiocy early in the morning.

KSigkid 02-18-2009 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1780910)
Funny that you mention that...

I was hearing on the news this morning how some states once they knew how much they would be getting have already had plans in place on improvement projects that needed to be done ASAP.
Also you are correct, states have presented their cases before Congress about what they needed money for and how much, thus once the stimulus package was conceived, I believe it was already deteremined around about how much states that needed assistance would get and what they were to use it on.

I think that's the case, as there was already talk in some towns around here about a couple of school projects that would be utilizing stimulus funds.

Also - anyone else have issues downloading the stimulus bill from the website?

DrPhil 02-18-2009 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB (Post 1780850)
Yes, it says right there in black and white that all of the spending will be specified once it's determined. I believe states and specific programs have to apply for some of it. We can't expect the federal government to just know which road projects, school programs, etc. need funding without states saying, "Hey! Over here! We've got this bridge replacement we need done ASAP..." (for example)

I hope the information and deadlines are dessiminated to the states properly so "no state left behind."

agzg 02-18-2009 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2 (Post 1780895)
1. I'm not interested enough in other people's signatures to take notice of that if that is in fact the case.
2. I really hope you aren't saying that they actually CHANGED their signatures just to refer to ME. IF that is the case, you DO realize that's pathetic right? I certainly wouldn't waste a perfectly good signature on any of you. You don't warrant THAT kind of attention. It's enough to just post in response to comments made. :D
3. You must have been the class tattletale when you were in elementary school. I find it kind of strange that you just felt a pressing need to point that out. In the future...um...don't waste your time on things like that. I don't care. It won't make me stop posting.

You're right, there obviously is no point. Not because it's truly pointless, but because you're too oblivious to notice.

KSig RC 02-18-2009 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2 (Post 1780895)
1. I'm not interested enough in other people's signatures to take notice of that if that is in fact the case.
2. I really hope you aren't saying that they actually CHANGED their signatures just to refer to ME. IF that is the case, you DO realize that's pathetic right? I certainly wouldn't waste a perfectly good signature on any of you. You don't warrant THAT kind of attention. It's enough to just post in response to comments made. :D
3. You must have been the class tattletale when you were in elementary school. I find it kind of strange that you just felt a pressing need to point that out. In the future...um...don't waste your time on things like that. I don't care. It won't make me stop posting.

You really believe your own stuff, don't you? It's kind of . . . borderline personality disorder-ish.

But please don't stop posting - it takes all kinds in the message board community, and yours is certainly a view I don't get often in my sphere.

KSig RC 02-18-2009 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1780910)
ETA: Talking about catastrophes...The New York Post is mighty ballsy with this one today:

Delonas Toon

Gotta love the hot dank smell of idiocy early in the morning.

We're all familiar with the use of ape/monkey/gorilla imaging to debase blacks in the United States, but this is clearly a reference to the monkey that ate a woman's hands and nose in Stamford.

This is kind of an interesting situation, in my mind - Obama is the President, but authored about zero percent of the stimulus bill. Is his standing as President enough to invoke racial overtones in the cartoon regardless? (Clearly there will be a subtext of some degree no matter what)

DrPhil 02-18-2009 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1780979)
We're all familiar with the use of ape/monkey/gorilla imaging to debase blacks in the United States, but this is clearly a reference to the monkey that ate a woman's hands and nose in Stamford.

This is kind of an interesting situation, in my mind - Obama is the President, but authored about zero percent of the stimulus bill. Is his standing as President enough to invoke racial overtones in the cartoon regardless? (Clearly there will be a subtext of some degree no matter what)

So the cartoon is attempting to convey that this stimulus bill is a wild, untamed, animal comparable to that chimpanzee that bit off both of her hands and destroyed her face. OK. I can see that.

But, as you acknowledged, I do think that people are well aware of possible racial (over and under) tones seeing as though Obama is the "face" of this stimulus bill.

DaemonSeid 02-18-2009 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1780979)
We're all familiar with the use of ape/monkey/gorilla imaging to debase blacks in the United States, but this is clearly a reference to the monkey that ate a woman's hands and nose in Stamford.

This is kind of an interesting situation, in my mind - Obama is the President, but authored about zero percent of the stimulus bill. Is his standing as President enough to invoke racial overtones in the cartoon regardless? (Clearly there will be a subtext of some degree no matter what)

regardless...that 19th century mentality is a no...

remember these gems?


Limbaugh and Curious George

Bar gets sued over monkey shirt

GOP's stuffed monkey at Palin rally


See why this doesn't fly?

It's a lame way to try and tie in the chimp shooting with the stimulus bill and Obama's (or any black person) heritage.

I have viewed some of his other work and clearly he is not a fan of Obama and is provoctive, but no big deal, but this crosses the line.

ETA: Interesting...he is accused of gay bashing also...Delonas BAAAAD cartoon

KSig RC 02-18-2009 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1780980)
So the cartoon is attempting to convey that this stimulus bill is a wild, untamed, animal comparable to that chimpanzee that bit off both of her hands and destroyed her face. OK. I can see that.

Yeah, I'm not saying it's a particularly clever link - and I think it relies on the "this was written by a bunch of stupid monkeys" connection, too, which may play much more into the racial stereotype, too.

It's tripe either way.

DaemonSeid 02-18-2009 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1781000)
Yeah, I'm not saying it's a particularly clever link - and I think it relies on the "this was written by a bunch of stupid monkeys" connection, too, which may play much more into the racial stereotype, too.

It's tripe either way.

If there were a lot of dead monkeys laying around sure...

Sorry if I don't agree with that POV.

But yes, garbage it is.

UGAalum94 02-18-2009 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781001)
If there were a lot of dead monkeys laying around sure...

Sorry if I don't agree with that POV.

But yes, garbage it is.

As opposed to the high level of insight you'd usually associate with the NYPost?

I'm often amused by them, but I wouldn't expect you to be based on the politics you've expressed here.

DaemonSeid 02-18-2009 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1781002)
As opposed to the high level of insight you'd usually associate with the NYPost?

I'm often amused by them, but I wouldn't expect you to be based on the politics you've expressed here.

Good to know you have been paying attention.

And with the level of sales that they and most other papers had, I wouldn't be surprised if this 'stunt' was pulled in an attempt to boost sales.


Regardless if this was the NY Post....that isht is still uncalled for and unfunny.

Clownish at best.

Senusret I 02-18-2009 06:30 PM

I found it neither funny nor offensive. It would have "worked" better if there had been a typewriter in the background. I think it was related to the infinite monkey theorem.


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