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Originally Posted by greekalum (Post 1340059)

Is here-say a law reporter's term?

LOL

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Originally Posted by centaur532 (Post 1340051)

Was his name-o!

I think you are taking the 'AI is ritual' a bit too literally. Obviously the fact it exists is NOT ritual or you wouldn't know about it, this forum wouldn't exist etc etc.
What is classified information is sororities' individual policies on AI. If there's going to be a list detailing who's easy, who's more difficult and who's AI process is such that you have more of a chance of immaculate conception then I may as well start a website that lists the reasons people get rejected during undergrad recruitment.

Not so fast, you (plural) can't argue that it's ritual and then when it doesn't support your current argument, suddenly decide that it's not. She posted that they don't give out that information b/c it was ritual...sounds pretty clear to me. Yet another GLO member posted on this thread that that whether they do AI or not isn't, so which is it?

The list did not detail which ones were easy. Never suggested it, IN FACT, SPECIFICALLY SAID do not interpret it that way. I am sure one of your moderator friends can pull that information up.

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit (Post 1340056)

One? One person and 100% of the others are all mysteriously deleted?

Inappropriate posts (which that would be) are NOT "mysteriously deleted"...they are purposely deleted. We don't need to keep proof around that there are batshit crazy people seeking AI to show those of you who are new and think you're entitled to it.

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit (Post 1340065)

It specifically said this AFTER it was misused.

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit (Post 1340056)

One? One person and 100% of the others are all mysteriously deleted?

Sounds too convenient.

I don't think one poster constitutes suddenly a rampant problem. One poster out of thousands of members on GC? Hmmm...it's a wonder the Nationals haven't had to hire extra temps to handle the floods of calls.

I gave you one example. Recently (as in after you already joined GC) there was another instance in which a poster from NPC sorority said that GC makes it seem like AI is very common and easy in TUV.

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit (Post 1340065)

Yet another GLO member posted on this thread that that whether they do AI or not isn't, so which is it?

THAT'S THE POINT...IT VARIES FROM THE 26 NPC SORORITIES.

Sorry to yell, but you're f*ing pissing me off because you don't listen to anything anyone posts who doesn't support your want for AI info.

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit (Post 1340067)

The post was addressed to Alphafrog, not you hon.

Don't use hon when you don't mean it. Not only does it imply that you're looking down on her but also that you're dishonest and old.[/quote]

/Or a waitress.

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Originally Posted by kddani (Post 1340046)

It's "hearsay" not "here-say". Guess your copy editor would fix that for you back when you reported on legal happenings.

I know very few people who make "speeches" on the internet, and none of them are international officers.

I'm not sure if any of them posted publicly about it, and I don't have the time to search. You are more than welcome to look for them on your own.

The process of selecting members for AI is private membership information, yes. A group being inundated with inquiries because of GC isn't part of that process.

Kddani, I have never admitted to being a good speller.. which is why I went into broadcast journalism instead of print!

As for "speeches on the internet".. here ya go:
http://www.zetataualpha.org/default....&ContentId=118

When you make an allegation as powerful as you have made, you really need to be able to back it up. If you can't then "let it be stricken from the record."

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit (Post 1339794)

You bring this up alot.

Why do you assume that everyone that wants to AI got rejected in college? That is not at all true. When your parents are paying all the bills because you have a difficult major, or if you attend a school that has no Greek system, those are very valid reasons for not joining. I was told I couldn't work, and as long as they are paying the bills, they get to make the rules. When you are not working, your parents control the cash flow and not all of them can see the benefit of sorority membership.

Many women here joined sororities while working and/or over parental objections and/or with difficult majors. Women who want to join sororities should look into whether or not their college has a Greek system before applying. None of those are "valid reasons for not joining." Theya re individual EXCUSES, and they do not grant the person using them a free pass to join when it is more convenient for them.

What about super-competitive SEC schools where if you don't get in as a Freshman you can pretty much give it up? These boards are full of women that went through as Freshman, that are beautiful, had recs, graduated with honors, but the bid matching system didn't give them a home. It happens! Are you saying these women can never be a valued member of your organization or have to wait on the random chance that they will meet an Alumnae member who will magically know their interest, and then even THINK about recruiting them for AI?

Not everyone has to go to an SEC school.
Do you go to work every day looking for women to join your organization? It's just not something that comes up when you are out of college and working a real job.

No, because my organization does not rely on AI. We do not need AIs. It is an honor and a privelege for SOME organizations but not the sorority's lifeblood.

You are overlooking a very valuable resource that can be very valuable to your organization. I'm a single person with no other obligations. I am finally in a place in my career where I need something more, and this is what I have decided to do. If funds allow later, I would love to assist women financially in their persuit, I would also like to assist new college grads in finding jobs, which is getting to be more and more difficult.

No one is overlooking the fact that there are many single women in their twenties with lots of free time! Sororities just have different membership criteria than "someone with nothing else to do.

Greek, the post was directed toward Alphafrog, not you.

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit (Post 1340067)

The post was addressed to Alphafrog, not you hon.

So???

greekalum, great points. I cosign.

Hon, it doesn't matter who it was directed at. None of those were things any NPC sorority looks for in an AI>

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Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1340072)

And as for open AI information even on your own GLO's web site?

None, nada, zip, zilch, ZERO! Which goes back to this previous point:

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Originally Posted by kddani (Post 1340021)

several NPC sororities have taken public information about AI down from their websites,

So go ahead & let the conversation derail off into whether or not speeches are published on the internet, but we'll know its because your original argument is null & void.

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit (Post 1340065)

Here's the deal-recruitment isn't ritual, AI and its existence isn't ritual. What is ritual is the process through both on the sister side. We (not suggesting we're conspiring and actually do know each other's private information) know what it takes to get someone initiated as an AI. If we like you enough, we will share that with you.
AI's existence isn't ritual, the minutae of the process are. I would never presume to tell any woman, no matter how I liked her, what it will take to get her into my chapter through undergrad recruitment.
Also, I find it mildly insulting that you refer to the mods as our 'moderator friends'. There is no moderator conspiracy, it's not us vs. you.

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Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1340072)

Wait a minute...broadcast journalism? I thought you were an astronaut :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit (Post 1339996)

If this information was ritual, then why was it listed in the sticky at the top of the AI forum?

Because some people like the former moderator of this forum believe it is their God-given right to publicize this information and most GC sorority members don't want it that way. Another reason there should not be an AI forum on GC.

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit (Post 1340006)

It was posted for weeks at the top of the GC forum in the sticky and Alpha Delta Pi was specifically listed as one of the sororities that "only did AI in certain circumstances" versus a whole other list of "yes".

One would think that a list posted in a sticky by the moderator would be accurate.

Do you take all info you get from web message boards as gospel? This place is the equivalent of a virtual Starbucks, not a library. Another reason there should not be an AI forum on GC.

All sororities only do AI in certain circumstances. If it was open to interest sessions it would be called recruitment. AI is not recruitment. We don't need to recruit alumnae members to sustain our GLOs. We have our hands full programming the collegiate component, which is the lifeblood of our organizations.

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Originally Posted by ariesrising (Post 1340014)

Oh, I've had some PMs from PNAMs asking if it was true that certain sororities were easier to AI into because they had more AI members here on GC.

Another reason there should not be an AI forum on GC.

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Originally Posted by kddani (Post 1340021)

They why is it that several NPC sororities have taken public information about AI down from their websites, and several have totally revamped/are in the process of revamping their AI policies? Several (Inter)National Officers from various groups have stated that a large part of the reason for both of those was the artificial market that GC was creating.

Another reason there should not be an AI forum on GC.

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit (Post 1340031)

Well, obviously no one corrected it if it was wrong and in the very short time that I have been on this board, Penguin and Carnation have been the moderators, and the list was just deleted a few days ago. So, the opportunity was clearly there to change it.

That's why I think it was accurate.

This is a message board, not an authority on anything.
Another reason there should not be an AI forum on GC.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 1340070)

THAT'S THE POINT...IT VARIES FROM THE 26 NPC SORORITIES... you don't listen to anything anyone posts who doesn't support your want for AI info.

Another reason there should not be an AI forum on GC.

The NPC sororities exist for the purpose of augmenting the undergraduate experience. Virtually all sorority programming takes place at the collegiate level, and virtually all alumnae activity supports collegiate programming on some level. Alumnae programming is very different, and as such, when someone is invited to join through an AI program, much of it has to do with her connection to the collegiate programming aspect or philanthropy. If the sororities decide to change this focus to lifetime programming, there will be significant changes and perhaps the alumnae component and intake of members through AI programs will increase. Currently, this is not the way things are done and the majority of sororities do not actively recruit members through their AI programs.