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Unregistered- 09-11-2008 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYC2008 (Post 1716232)
She's new. This recruitment story may very well be the first GC thread she's read.

She's entitled to her lecture just like you're entitled to yours.

This is not the first recruitment story I have read. This is the first time I have registered and posted an opinion.
I find it interesting that you feel that I was lecturing her. I was expressing my opinion as to how when one thinks of diversity it's usually about personality and not always about looks. If we are being really honest than how diverse is a caucasian house. I think it's hypocritical to say that an all white house is more diverse than an asian house. Do not put words in my mouth.
There was no need to be hostile and condescending. I stated that I understood where she was coming from but found it a little off putting that because it's an asian house that it's not diverse.

FWIW, I was agreeing with you.

I hope your post wasn't directed to me.

baci 09-11-2008 08:25 PM

We are progressing...:D

pinkflamingo 09-11-2008 08:42 PM

:p All right Aprocess.... you're amazingly good at drawing this out.................

APhiAnna 09-11-2008 08:49 PM

LOVE this thread. To the people who are upset with the reader, she is doing a great job of being "brutally honest" in that she's writing in the mindset of a naive woman going through rush...let's face it, all of us likely made superficial assumptions about GLOs when we were going through recruitment that would "offend" somebody on here, and I think she is bold enough to admit it.

Anyways, I think this thread is easily one of the most entertaining ones we've had in a while and I can't wait for the update.

catiebug 09-11-2008 09:20 PM

All this and no end of story yet?????
:mad:

violetpretty 09-11-2008 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYC2008 (Post 1716232)
If we are being really honest than how diverse is a caucasian house. I think it's hypocritical to say that an all white house is more diverse than an asian house.

Diversity can be measured in other ways than just race, just so you know.:rolleyes: You chastise the OP for being turned off by the de facto segregation she observed, yet you assume that a chapter that is predominantly White couldn't possibly be diverse. Chapters can be diverse in many ways. Race, religion, political views, economic status, body types, looks, styles, majors, hometowns, and of course, personality are all ways a chapter can be diverse. I'm sure there are chapters where all or nearly all of the members are white, Protestant, conservative, wealthy, tall, thin, blonde, beautiful, preppy, from the same few hometowns and studying one of a small handful of majors, but being predominantly White doesn't mean the members are alike in every other way.

baci 09-11-2008 10:14 PM

good point(s)^^

KSUViolet06 09-11-2008 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aprocess (Post 1716234)
come on guys, panhellenic and IFC has a gamma (G.A.M.M.A.) chair which issssss.....

Greeks Advocating Mature Management of Alcohol.

APhiAnna 09-11-2008 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1716346)
Greeks Advocating Mature Management of Alcohol.

Haha, at our school it is kind of a joke in that the biggest lushes in all the houses are usually the ones nominated to GAMMA.

fantASTic 09-12-2008 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by violetpretty (Post 1716330)
Diversity can be measured in other ways than just race, just so you know.:rolleyes: You chastise the OP for being turned off by the de facto segregation she observed, yet you assume that a chapter that is predominantly White couldn't possibly be diverse. Chapters can be diverse in many ways. Race, religion, political views, economic status, body types, looks, styles, majors, hometowns, and of course, personality are all ways a chapter can be diverse. I'm sure there are chapters where all or nearly all of the members are white, Protestant, conservative, wealthy, tall, thin, blonde, beautiful, preppy, from the same few hometowns and studying one of a small handful of majors, but being predominantly White doesn't mean the members are alike in every other way.

Agreed. Interesting that it's okay for a minority to say that they don't feel comfortable being in a group of all whites, but it is not okay for the OP.

Maybe instead of telling her that she was wrong for feeling uncomfortable, we should just realize that it was HER recruitment..in the PAST...and this is a STORY.

KSUViolet06 09-12-2008 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fantASTic (Post 1716416)
Agreed. Interesting that it's okay for a minority to say that they don't feel comfortable being in a group of all whites, but it is not okay for the OP.

Maybe instead of telling her that she was wrong for feeling uncomfortable, we should just realize that it was HER recruitment..in the PAST...and this is a STORY.

Agreed. I would've thought it inappropriate if she'd said some derogatory things about Asians (such as "I didn't want to be that sorority because everyone's Asian and I think all Asians are _________" but I don't think anything like that was said.

NYC2008 09-12-2008 01:15 AM

"Diversity can be measured in other ways than just race, just so you know.:rolleyes: You chastise the OP for being turned off by the de facto segregation she observed, yet you assume that a chapter that is predominantly White couldn't possibly be diverse. Chapters can be diverse in many ways. Race, religion, political views, economic status, body types, looks, styles, majors, hometowns, and of course, personality are all ways a chapter can be diverse. I'm sure there are chapters where all or nearly all of the members are white, Protestant, conservative, wealthy, tall, thin, blonde, beautiful, preppy, from the same few hometowns and studying one of a small handful of majors, but being predominantly White doesn't mean the members are alike in every other way."

VioletPretty: That was the point I was trying to make. It was not meant to only be about race but when you state that because the house was predominantly Asian than it's going to relate to race. I didn't mean for this to become such a big issue and this is the last post regarding the topic.
I'm tired of being told that I was lecturing or chastising the OP. Your last statement that being predominantly one race does not mean the members are alike in every way was what I was trying to say about her decision that an Asian house was not diverse because it's all Asian. I was trying to say that does not mean it's not diverse! She stated she wanted a house that was diverse but later admitted that her decision was based on the house being predominantly one race. The only problem I had was that she stated that she wanted "diversity." I was trying to make the same point that you made above but it got turned into me "chastising the OP."
Listen, I understand what she was trying to say but instead of saying diverse why not just say because it was Asian and I would not have felt comfortable. That is brutally honest. I don't want the OP or anyone to think that i was implying that the woman was a racist because that is not what I was trying to say. I think if I had just left out the part that I was Asian it would not have been misinterpreted.
I'm a very direct person and I believe in posting my opinion but I didn't post it to be mean to the OP. I think people just misinterpreted what I wrote and it got blown out of proportion.

NYC2008 09-12-2008 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by fantASTic http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/im...s/viewpost.gif
Agreed. Interesting that it's okay for a minority to say that they don't feel comfortable being in a group of all whites, but it is not okay for the OP.

Fantastic:
I never said I was uncomfortable being in a white sorority!
I'm tired of defending myself on this post.
I joined a predominantly white sorority where my sisters were all blondes!
I was the only Asian in my house! I never had a problem joining the sorority.
If you actually read what I wrote I was trying to say what Violetpretty said above But I think the fact that I wrote that I was Asian automatically turned this into something more than what I was trying to say.

I stated and will state again that I understand this is HER OLD recruitment story and that she is being brutally honest. I stated that I understood what she was trying to say BUT DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH AND START THE WHOLE "IT'S OK FOR MINORITIES TO SAY THAT THEY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHITES."
because I never even wrote that or Implied that!

LAblondeGPhi 09-12-2008 02:36 AM

... and back to our regularly scheduled program!

AOII Angel 09-12-2008 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYC2008 (Post 1716421)
"Diversity can be measured in other ways than just race, just so you know.:rolleyes: You chastise the OP for being turned off by the de facto segregation she observed, yet you assume that a chapter that is predominantly White couldn't possibly be diverse. Chapters can be diverse in many ways. Race, religion, political views, economic status, body types, looks, styles, majors, hometowns, and of course, personality are all ways a chapter can be diverse. I'm sure there are chapters where all or nearly all of the members are white, Protestant, conservative, wealthy, tall, thin, blonde, beautiful, preppy, from the same few hometowns and studying one of a small handful of majors, but being predominantly White doesn't mean the members are alike in every other way."

VioletPretty: That was the point I was trying to make. It was not meant to only be about race but when you state that because the house was predominantly Asian than it's going to relate to race. I didn't mean for this to become such a big issue and this is the last post regarding the topic.
I'm tired of being told that I was lecturing or chastising the OP. Your last statement that being predominantly one race does not mean the members are alike in every way was what I was trying to say about her decision that an Asian house was not diverse because it's all Asian. I was trying to say that does not mean it's not diverse! She stated she wanted a house that was diverse but later admitted that her decision was based on the house being predominantly one race. The only problem I had was that she stated that she wanted "diversity." I was trying to make the same point that you made above but it got turned into me "chastising the OP."
Listen, I understand what she was trying to say but instead of saying diverse why not just say because it was Asian and I would not have felt comfortable. That is brutally honest. I don't want the OP or anyone to think that i was implying that the woman was a racist because that is not what I was trying to say. I think if I had just left out the part that I was Asian it would not have been misinterpreted.
I'm a very direct person and I believe in posting my opinion but I didn't post it to be mean to the OP. I think people just misinterpreted what I wrote and it got blown out of proportion.

I completely get what you were saying. She didn't look past the fact that they were all asian to see if there was another layer of diversity. I think the fact that she thought the chapter was segregated into asians and non-asians turned her off. I'm hoping that that was just a perception and not really the case.

NYC...in the future, realize that many things we mean one way come off completely different on a message board when read by someone who doesn't know you. I've been caught so many times on GC defending myself for something I meant a totally different way than people on the board took it. We all have to defend our statements on occasion, but I think this post explained what you meant!

baci 09-12-2008 08:40 AM

She totally explained herself here. I agree.

FSUZeta 09-12-2008 11:25 AM

the OP said in one of her early posts that she was hoping for diversity in the sorority she joined and that she liked the chapter in question, but was disappointed in observing that the chapter seemed to be dividing itself into 2 different groups based on race.

a process, please finish your story soon.

MaggieXi 09-12-2008 01:22 PM

yes, aprocess, please finish your story....

lovespink88 09-12-2008 01:50 PM

please please please!!!!

aprocess 09-12-2008 06:50 PM

update to happen in just a few hours!!!

WCsweet<3 09-12-2008 06:53 PM

YAY!!!

CuriousWildcat 09-12-2008 08:09 PM

FINALLY! :)

TriDPrincess 09-13-2008 02:51 PM

More please :)

Javalover 09-13-2008 03:11 PM

OP - Just curious, what is your definition of "few"....?

pinkflamingo 09-13-2008 04:17 PM

:D I'm ready for the big finish.....

MaggieXi 09-13-2008 10:13 PM

Ok - its been almost 24 hours. That is not a few. That is a lot. Come back!

MSKKG 09-13-2008 10:18 PM

Time flies when you're having fun. Well, time is not flying, and we're not having fun! Please finish your story for us.

gee_ess 09-13-2008 10:23 PM

The mother in me is starting to worry...

myopicsunflower 09-13-2008 10:29 PM

I've really been enjoying your story! The suspense...not so much. Please continue! :)

kappa_dancer 09-13-2008 10:53 PM

Patience is a virtue, it always brings good luck. It's seldom found and humans, and never in a duck.

Currently, I AM THAT DUCK.

Please finish your story =]

(and thanks to my mom for that wonderful quote)

OHNOITSJESS 09-13-2008 11:27 PM

i've checked this thread like 260 times today...
and still... no update.

aprocess 09-14-2008 09:37 AM

Bid Day
 
I woke up just knowing I was getting a bid from serena. I let them know I loved them and got to know the girls so on such a diferent level. it was not 'girls I got to know at recuitment'. It was girls I wanted to share my life and memories with. I was so excited. I dressed up in clothes I wanted to wear for Serena. I had never been so excited to walk the long walk to campus as this day. I walked to my group leader, they gave me an envelopeand told me to sit on it (they did not want us to try to decipher where we got a bid to till they did their speel). my leaders revealed themeselves (a Marissa and a Ryan). They talked about hw much they enjoyed this process with us andtold us as soon as we opened up our envelopes to RUN to the house to join our sisters!

1.........2........3.......

I opened up my letter!!!!!!

This is a bid for 'aprocess' to join the house of....



























































































































Marissa.....











I was devestated. But like the other girls who ran to their house, I speed walked to Marissa. As I walked I could not figure out where I went wrong. I thought it was all good. I knew I wanted to be affiliated. Espescially since I had been so envious of my roomate and the memoreies she created her college year. So I continued to speed walk.

i passed several other houses--including serena. That one made me so sad. I saw all the girls I had met during the week. I started to walk slower now.


It stuck me.


I did not know one girl's name in marissa. I knew at least 12 in Serena, but not one girl stuck out or I had a memorale time with. This depressed me. I thought this was my decision, i thought both houses wanted me and I got to pick where I ended up. I did not know what happened.

I decided to make a left at a street away from the houses. I called my roomate so she could pick me up.

I no longer had a boyfriend I could cry to like I did last year. I felt so rejected.

My roomate came and picked me up and took me home where i wasn't just depressed about recruitment, but that i had n one to share that feeling with who would understand.

aprocess 09-14-2008 09:47 AM

week 2 of school
 
By the second week of school, everyone was wearing their new letters/house names. I felt sad everytime i saw PNM/Members with letters (which was A LOT). I hadn't spoken to one girl in Marissa and no one even bothered to call me (no one even knew me in the house so why should they even bother?).

I would have felt so much better and comfortable to at least even visit Marissa and just make up an excuse like 'sorry, i had work on bid day' had i not told that one girl at pref that i loved Serena and that they were the house for me. The whole house probably now knew that i was not wanted at serena and since I knew i was probably on the bottom of their list--marissa-- i had to be REALLY low on serena's list. (TIP: this is why you should NEVER talk about another house. You make your rusher feel uncomfotable and KARMA IS INTENSE..... now I was uncomfortable to even go to Marissa)

By the end of week two, i got this message on facebook. Who was it from? Marissa? Serena???

another twist. to be continued in a couple of hours.

ASUADPi 09-14-2008 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aprocess (Post 1717319)
I woke up just knowing I was getting a bid from serena. I let them know I loved them and got to know the girls so on such a diferent level. it was not 'girls I got to know at recuitment'. It was girls I wanted to share my life and memories with. I was so excited. I dressed up in clothes I wanted to wear for Serena. I had never been so excited to walk the long walk to campus as this day. I walked to my group leader, they gave me an envelopeand told me to sit on it (they did not want us to try to decipher where we got a bid to till they did their speel). my leaders revealed themeselves (a Marissa and a Ryan). They talked about hw much they enjoyed this process with us andtold us as soon as we opened up our envelopes to RUN to the house to join our sisters!

1.........2........3.......

I opened up my letter!!!!!!

This is a bid for 'aprocess' to join the house of....



Marissa.....



I was devestated. But like the other girls who ran to their house, I speed walked to Marissa. As I walked I could not figure out where I went wrong. I thought it was all good. I knew I wanted to be affiliated. Espescially since I had been so envious of my roomate and the memoreies she created her college year. So I continued to speed walk.

i passed several other houses--including serena. That one made me so sad. I saw all the girls I had met during the week. I started to walk slower now.


It stuck me.


I did not know one girl's name in marissa. I knew at least 12 in Serena, but not one girl stuck out or I had a memorale time with. This depressed me. I thought this was my decision, i thought both houses wanted me and I got to pick where I ended up. I did not know what happened.

I decided to make a left at a street away from the houses. I called my roomate so she could pick me up.

I no longer had a boyfriend I could cry to like I did last year. I felt so rejected.

My roomate came and picked me up and took me home where i wasn't just depressed about recruitment, but that i had n one to share that feeling with who would understand.

Honestly, I'm surprised too. It might just be me, but if I were rushing a girl who said "I found my home is XYZ" I can't say I would want her to be high on our bid list. Like I wouldn't want someone in my chapter or even give that "spot" to someone who has said that they basically wouldn't want to be there. Does that make sense?

Something tells me that this sounds like it was a computer glitch. That you were supposed to be matched with Serena but somehow you got matched with Marissa.

ajmom3 09-14-2008 10:57 AM

Wow, I haven't been so into a story since General Hospital back in the late 70's!!!!

AlwaysSAI 09-14-2008 11:00 AM

Wow, you're story has me on pins and needles.

CONTINUE! :D

gee_ess 09-14-2008 11:59 AM

Please, please do not make us wait so long this time...

We have to get on with life, with jobs, families, homework, eating, sleeping, showering...

We MUST know soon!

:)

Buttonz 09-14-2008 01:43 PM

I need to know also now!

tinydancer 09-14-2008 03:50 PM

Your story has sure taken twists and turns that I didn't expect!

breathesgelatin 09-14-2008 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASUADPi (Post 1717330)
Honestly, I'm surprised too. It might just be me, but if I were rushing a girl who said "I found my home is XYZ" I can't say I would want her to be high on our bid list. Like I wouldn't want someone in my chapter or even give that "spot" to someone who has said that they basically wouldn't want to be there. Does that make sense?

Something tells me that this sounds like it was a computer glitch. That you were supposed to be matched with Serena but somehow you got matched with Marissa.

I'll be frank and say that if someone had said that to ME during pref night, I would have found it so insufferably rude that I would have attempted to find some way to have her CUT. LOL. I know that's not possible due to NPC regulations, but really - what could you expect from Marissa if you said that? I bet they weren't even expecting you to bid day when they saw that you were on their list.

Live and learn, I guess.


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