Sneaking into the Movies... Pre bootleg... ;)

I'm working on getting the Hoe Cakes!!!

can we ask why NPC/IFC or Asian-Interest orgs are starting to "adopt" some of the NPHC traditions (specifically stepping). Sometimes, I run across them on youtube, and it was painful to watch.

Same reason a lot of latin/multicultural orgs do it- because they think it's cool.

But unlike LGLOs and MCGLOs, IF and when an IFC/NPC group does it, they usually just do it for a show or something and they don't try to take it and pass it off as their own.

Not that I condone either case. I think stepping should stay in the NPHC.

Soror Monet and Chaos, you two are a mess. lol.

Well which is it?

^^Good close-reading. This one changes his story to suit his needs. Unfortunately for him, it doesn't really work that well. All that lying for nothing.

I'm well aware what preciousjeni wrote and what she wrote does not refute what I said. Because we are not here on GC talking about the situation publically in a thread does not mean it cannot be proven. PJ has given you additional information as to why it's not being talked about publically. You don't have to like it or believe, but you damn sure can't tell me how to feel about it or what to do about it.

And since were most recently on/reading that somewhat old thread now, you should've also seen that there was a great deal edited (due to a situation that arose post mention in the thread).

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. EW and his silly antics.

Ahhhhh another compairson thread.

That's bull. You don't need to know their ritual to see that Phi Nu Xi was going for the "ONE" look and mimicked everything about Theta Nu Xi. You might be unfamiliar with the situation, but your lack of knowledge doesn't mean the whole thing was kept under super secret wraps. They had a website, it was blatant, and based on the comments here there are legal proceedings from it.

If that's not enough for you, fine; but they do not "lose the right" to use it as an example of infringement.

For the record, here's the EXACT type of situation I've been talking about in this thread, but it's an NPC sorority that's being ripped-off:

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...19#post1655119

Please specify your interpretation of 'help' one of our own founders said they received no help whatsoever when founding LUL, the main misconception is that the Alphas founded us, when he himself said the Alphas were just 'real cool' with us.

I think people misinterpret support in the form of 'hey we have nothing against you founding an organization' (LUL) as opposed to a member of another org founding another fraternity much like the case of SLB.

To answer the question at hand....I read an article about Latinos immigrants acclimation to 'Black' culture as opposed to the mainstream 'White' culture. The article, which I will ask my brother to send to me again...explained that Latinos (unless they are of dominantly European descent), are knowledgeable that they will not fit in with the dominant culture so they blend in with the 'other'. I say 'other' because ultimately we are still in a Black-White dichotomy in the U.S.

Being that Latinos, can fall under any racial category in the U.S., I think it'd be interesting to see which LGLO's engage in NPHC-esque practices and which do so in IFC/NPC-esque practices. I am not surprised to see many LGLO's founded on the East Coast sharing vast similarities to NPHC orgs, alot has to do with the culture amalgamations between Blacks and Latinos.

I have met members of LGLO's from the West Coast who partake in IFC/NPC practices, I think alot has to do with the long presence of Latinos in the west coast, some who have been able to fully assimilate and find more similarity with the mainstream culture as opposed to the 'other'.

There is a refutation to this argument especially if we look at Texas, and at orgs like Omega Delta Phi and Kappa Delta Chi...knight_shadow you can explain this better than I can...so shoot LOL, but these orgs follow more NPHC practices as opposed to IFC/NPC despite Latinos being present longer in that state than Blacks; I think alot has to do with the second class citizenship Latinos held (and continue to do so) with regards to the history of Texas despite having a long presence and the similarity they hold with that to Blacks, African Americans especially.

That is not to say Cali Latinos did not share the same second class citizenship but the fact that TX ultimately fought to become its own country after removing itself from Mexico then becoming an American state could answer that question.

As far as why ODPhi and KDChi seem to follow NPHC practices: Both organizations were founded at Texas Tech, which has a pretty solid Greek system (For example, one of my friends initiated into an NPC sorority with 142 other girls - and from what I understand, this is a normal-sized class). For a new organization being formed, getting numbers like that is going to be impossible, so emulating the recruitment styles would not be effective. The NPHC organizations accomplished a great deal of work with far less numbers, and this was more in line with our organizations. As far as why line jackets/strolling/stepping, etc is used -- I'm not too sure about that. Several of the old heads that I've spoken to have stated that there was a lot of support from the Alphas, so it may have been seen as OK to partake in those practices.

Also, one of ODPhi's founders is black, so it's possible that he grew up around members of the NPHC and saw their styles as "normal Greek life," regardless of the letters.

I'm not familiar with any NALFO organizations using an NIC/NPC-style recruitment, so I'm also interested in seeing who does what.

oh they weren't NALFO orgs

I see you, cousin!

I was schooled early on, way before becoming an Alpha, that Alpha didn't pledge the LUL founders, but that they enjoyed a cordial relationship with one another.

LUL: They didn't need any help.....wait, where did I hear that from....

My bad. Maybe one of the other 346,032 LGLO's out there? :p

(But that's a whooooooooole 'nother discussion)

woooooooow :p

I'm not trying to start anything. But, I am very close to my sisters at Cornell, and have interacted with the LULs there when I was in undergrad, and that is what they say. Maybe you should discuss it internally and decide nationally what you are saying. I don't think it is fair to sometimes claim that connection when it is convenient for you (perhaps some individual brothers have made that claim, who knows). Alphas I've talked to also do not claim to have helped LULs, but I've heard many LULs from Alpha chapter as well as neighboring chapters make that claim that they were helped by APhiA.

Thank you. :)

really, I can't say anything about Alphas? Okay..I took it out.

The topic you were speaking on was inappropriate for public discussion. Nevertheless, thank you for editing it out. :)

CULater please stop making false statements about other organizations.

We must be aware that some of the information being presented is not for online discussion.

That is a discussion for our brothers to have not claims to be made by others.

OH SNAP!

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2882/owned9wz.jpg

Very informative turn of events.

That is all.

I'm not making false statements, those are what I was told my LUL members. So I say, if you don't want that said, do not tell other members. Why would I purposely make it up?

Easy remedy: Let the LUL's tell their history themselves.

Well, we've all been told things by members that we perhaps shouldn't have been told.

But after being told by an LUL member to stay in your lane when discussing LUL, that's something to consider. Kind of like how you edited your post when Senusret called you on the Alpha info.

and I edited it out the LUL thing and told him to ask Serenity to take out my quote.

Good. See you later. :)

when you say "we", do you mean "we", as "hispanic organizations who adopt NPHC traditions?"

Perhaps from the outside looking in...it seems that LGLOs & MCGLOs copy a lot from NPHC orgs; and maybe some do more than others (I can only speak for my own org so...). However by the definition of what we are (Greek Lettered Secrets Societies), we all will have similarities. In fact my sorority has characteristics in common with NPHC groups, NPC groups, honorary and even community-based sororities. Our founders were not "rejected" from NPHC groups...but seriously just wanted (so created) something different.

Again there is more than meets the eye. I went to a step-show this past spring which was hosted by an MCGLO - Alpha Omega Omega at West Virginia University. There were NPHC and LGLO orgs who participated and attended. At the after party/celebration, there was a lot of camaraderie and support. No I haven't been to so many schools...but I'm sure elsewhere, NPHC orgs show their love and support to MCGLOs and LGLOs...and it's not one big "hate fest" going on.

Also IFC groups I know for sure have line names (I have Lambda Chi Alphas, AEPis, and Sigma Chis as friends)...and get jerseys or shirts with those names on them. NPC groups have handsigns (although I think some are unofficial...but they still have them). My sorority also calls the steps in the recruitment process rush, bid, pledge, initiation, induction (along the lines of NPC) and we do not have a probate. On the individual chapter level our sisters can step...stroll...whatever. But our National Headquarters does not organize a "national" or even "regional" step team.

I understand it is pretty easy to generalize and put up comparisons; but we are new groups (most of us are less than 25 years old) and we pretty much deserve the opportunity to do our own thing without the NPC/IFC/NPHC being held up to us as measuring sticks.

We are NOT secret societies. If we were, we damn sure wouldn't be serving the community. Many organizations have secrets or confidential information but that does not make them secret societies. I didn't even read the rest of your post because you started off wrong.

There is absolutely no reason for that, you know what the heck she meant.

You'd be amazed at how many greeks really think this and it's obvious that she meant exactly what she said. We have enough people running around spreading falshehoods about greeks, we don't need greeks doing it also.

I'm sure I wouldn't be. You started off wrong -- not reading the rest.

I think she meant "societies with secrets" and not "secret societies."

She's probably smart enough to figure out that GC isn't a message board of "secret societies." That would be too...err...public for a "secret society."

Other than that, she's echoing what has been said in a few posts. :)

I'm sure you did read the rest and we are free to comment however we wish, I'm sure you know that.

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