coooool...thanks. :)

That's different than the ad that I have saved. I like the one you found better.

That's because we're reading it through different prisms of opinions and thought.

And I love the Roca Wear ad. Look at those beautiful babies.

There is still the civil case......

Well, I'll admit that when I first heard about the ad, my first reaction was distaste. I immediately thought "is she getting paid for this?" and that didn't sit well with me. I think it is odd to capitalize on this type of fame, and for Roca to do the same.

But, maybe she isn't getting paid. Maybe everyone is acting as an advocate, which although I'm not sure I agree with it (because I'm not sure what justice is here, though my opinions have certainly not been formed against such a campaign), it is much less disconcerting to me.

But even if she is getting paid, I'm not sure I find it as appalling as I did when first hearing of it. She's presumably devoted a lot of time to this, and she's got a family to care for. I think in this scenario (a more traditional ad relationship), my discomfort would come from Roca, which is probably reaping some financial benefit from the exposure. But, who says you can't mix activism with business.

Do you know/understand the term Peace Officer? If not:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_officers
Covers the reasons I used the term.

As for Peace Officers being shot and shooters getting away with it; while I do not have a case in hand in the back of my mind I d believe that it has happened.
I will look around for it.
And since you brought it up, perhaps you too can see what evidence is out there.

I did find this story:
2 plead guilty in Atlanta police shooting death

Manslaughter pleas come after 3 officers indicted for killing elderly woman
ATLANTA - Two police officers pleaded guilty to manslaughter Thursday in the shooting death of a 92-year-old woman during a botched drug raid. A third officer was also indicted in the woman’s death.
Gregg Junnier, 40, who retired from the Atlanta police force in January, pleaded guilty to manslaughter, violation of oath, criminal solicitation and making false statements.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18328267/

And Rev Al has yet to show any interest in this:
Off-duty Md. officer fatally shot by city police
http://www.policeone.com/officer-sho...y-city-police/

I'll leave the linkages up to you, Jon, that's what you do. IF there is a case where a police officer was shot 50 times, the shooters were caught and they didn't get a hefty sentence for killing that cop, I would LOVE to see it. If it existed, I'm sure we'd all be aware of it.

And the definition of "peace" officer isn't what I was questioning, it was your use in sympathy with the police and your obvious "bend" in this case.

I only do it to provide information and facts. Too many times in any kind of discussion, that sort of stuff goes missing.
So, the offer and suggestion is still open.

Just as how many people today remember the three other lives wreaked by the TB matter that Rev Al walked away from??
I ask that only as a pointer that we all do not know or recall everything that goes on.

And your "bend" may be showing in your POV of my use of a term.
Look back at my OP and you may just see how the definition is used.

And FYI, there are matters involved in this case that do truly bother me. And many of them, if not all, have already been brought up.

Oh, I'll state and stand behind my bend in this case -- those officers killed that man in cold blood and are free to return to their lives and families. It's unconscionable. They should be locked up and made to pay for their crime just like anyone else who did what they did (but didn't have a badge to protect them). And worse, it doesn't send a signal of support or comfort to the society around them that are supposed to trust them and put their lives in their hands, nor does it give a lesson to other members of the force that actions like this won't just be swept under the rug. When citizens carry fear or mistrust of the police, it is because of incidents like this. So call them whatever you want, a p.r. campaign won't erase the appalling injustice in this (and similar) cases.

And if one were to take your posting on its very face:
If a Peace Officer were to be shot only once or twice, knifed two or three times, or run over by a car once or twice and then dies, and the person goes free, all is OK?
I am sure that you do not mean or believe that, but your posting could indicate that.
And I only pointed it out as an example of emotions and just how they can have an impact on a persons thoughts and actions.

I believe in the justice system.

I did not hear the evidence.

The lack of a jury trial is can be a disadvantage to the defendant, which is why it is up to the defendant to waive it or not.

I am not upset at the judge.

I would like to know how the prosecutors did or did not do their job.

Do I really care? Probably not.

One thing to keep in mind also Sen I.


The officers gambled (correctly) to not have a jury trial...

most people woukd think it to be insane...however


The Amadou Diallo trial was done by a jury and look how that turned out....

While looking around for something else, found this jury trial that the out come was well take a look for yourself:
Feature: Jurors Acquit California Narc Who Killed Rudy Cardenas in Mistaken Chase
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-...cquittal.shtml

And this as well:
MAN ACQUITTED IN SLAYING OF POLICE OFFICER
http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA...0/07300255.htm

Cop shooter convicted of assault, cleared of attempted murder
http://recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../NEWS/80424023

Acquitted of cop killing, reputed Blood gets 10 years in car theft
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/200...ing_reput.html

Jon...we are NOT talking about Cali, Virginia or any other place where this has happened...that is not because this isn't a problem else BUT.....

We are talking about NEW YORK CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT which has killed 5 UNARMED people in the last 10 years (twice using excessive force) with only ONE cop being convicted.

Obviously this is a problem IN NEW YORK CITY...not anywhere else....

Hell, I can tell you about the police shooting a man down at Lexington market in Baltimore City which I witnessed first hand..

http://www.workers.org/ww/1997/baltimore0904.html

But this is NOT where we are talking about!

An aside - one of the links is to an article that says Nicole married Sean Bell posthumously. Is that possible? I don't want to sound unfeeling, and to have your fiancé die on your wedding day - and in such a violent fashion - would be awful, but a posthumous marriage???

No she legally changed her last name to his...what it would have been if they had married

Reread a posting above this.
It was a rather general comment.

I read...it was a rather general comment not in line with a very specific city.

If you know about "dirty cops" this isn't surprising....
 

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04272008...nts_108298.htm

April 27, 2008 -- The NYPD's Internal Affairs Bureau is investigating a cruel prank call to the family of Sean Bell's fiancée that originated from the Manhattan offices of a prominent police union, The Post has learned.

"Ha, ha, ha," someone said in a 1:15 p.m. Friday phone call to the home of Nicole Bell's father Les Paultre, according to a police source.

The number for the Sergeants Benevolent Association came up on the caller ID.

"It was just horrible to get that phone call after coming back from the cemetery," said Nicole Bell.

:eek:

Stupid. Beyond arrogant. Cruel and vicious.

Great article....
 

*As Lauper's "Time After Time" plays in the background*

http://www.theroot.com/id/46086

If They Are So Scared, How Come We're The Dead Ones?

By Kai Wright | TheRoot.com

The cops in the Sean Bell case walked because the judge said it was reasonable for them to be scared of three black men in a car. This paranoia defense has been used to forgive the murders of black people for a long time.

Ida B. Wells, at the turn of the 20th century, called it a "threadbare lie." She was talking about how lynch mobs masquerading as law enforcement justified their actions by claiming black men were raping white women. But Wells was on to a larger delusion, one that not only inspired sexual hysteria 100 years ago, but that continues to legitimize all manner of brutality against black men today. The simple and sadly lasting truth is this: We scare the shit out of America. And that fear excuses just about any reaction it spawns.

dasokay...they can add fuel to the flames if they want to...they better pray that the silent outrage and protest doesn't turn into violence aimed at the police and the city....

SHUT 'EM DOWN!

*completely offtrack hijack*
Chaos, Amy Grant's first Christmas album was the only one in my car CD player for years, I listened to it all the time at the holidays and I still put it in rotation. When I clicked on your 3rd link and heard the familiar beginning of the song (which starts the album), it got me so happy, but then I got SO DISTRACTED by what she's wearing. LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Oh, the 80s.

/totally random hijack and I hope I didn't disrespect the thread*

And it's crap like this that could very well incite a not-so-peaceful response. Justified, if you ask me.

An Amy Grant hijack is worth it. :D

Her music has always made me smile. And sometimes cry. I love music. :p

Well, I won't say it's justified. But you're right in that it is a result of people feeling that the establishment is unresponsive and taking advantage of the citizens.

That's how injustice riots erupt, in general, but of course this country will find a way to put an EXTRA violent spin on stuff that is generated by race.

any riot at all for any reason is justified

Sharpton Outlines Day Of Disobedience
 

Sharpton Outlines Day Of Disobedience
NEW YORK - The Rev. Al Sharpton has announced a day of civil disobedience against the Sean Bell verdict. Sharpton spoke Saturday at his Harlem headquarters, before a solidarity march.
He has promised to "close this city down" to protest the April 25 acquittals of three police detectives in the 50-shot barrage that killed the unarmed Bell on his wedding day in 2006. Two friends were wounded.
For the massive pray-in, Sharpton is asking protesters to gather Wednesday at 3 p.m. in six places around the city. The protesters will fan out to locations Sharpton would not disclose.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24443126/

Sounds very terrorist. I'm terrified.

"He said that the planned pray-in is only the start of whatever actions are necessary to oppose the verdict. "
"He said he hopes protesters get arrested while on their knees praying."

I guess we all will see just what develops over the next few days.
DSTCHAOS-for so many reasons, I do hope that your thoughts/beliefs are correct.

why would you hope for a terrorist act....?

I am hoping for peace.
However, I do fear that something else will take its place.

Bell 'Prayer Protests' Attempt To Disrupt City Traffic
 

Bell 'Prayer Protests' Attempt To Disrupt City Traffic
NEW YORK - Crowds of protesters are marching around the city Wednesday as they engage in civil disobedience in response to the acquittals of three detectives in the killing of Sean Bell.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24507755/

Sharpton plans to get arrested
After blasting President Bush and the nation's immigration policy Sunday, the Rev. Al Sharpton said he plans to get arrested in New York on Wednesday as part of a civil disobedience demonstration to protest the Sean Bell verdict.
Sharpton, the Brooklyn-born civil rights activist, said he plans to get arrested at One Police Plaza at 3 p.m. to protest last month's acquittals of three New York police detectives in the 50-shot barrage that killed Bell, who was unarmed.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24461822/

Detectives To Fight Civil Rights Charges Over Bell Verdict
NEW YORK - The union representing three detectives cleared in the slaying of Sean Bell are in Washington, D.C., Wednesday to oppose federal civil rights charges against the officers. Michael Palladino, president of the Detectives' Endowment Association, will meet with Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, and Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-Manhattan) in two separate meetings.
The talks will happen about the same time that protesters fan out across Manhattan and Brooklyn to decry last month?s acquittals. Demonstrators, led by the Rev. Al Sharpton, will engage in civil disobedience and expect to get arrested.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24502743/

GOOD!

This prayer protest has been all over the media so people who don't have their heads in their asses should've known there would be disruption. But...where's the riot resulting from the terrorist threat? :eek:

GOOD! The planning to get arrested thing is nothing new in civil protests.

BAD.

Besides the following from the story; it is also matinée Wednesday in NYC's theater district.
As well as start of rush hour in the area.
Just heard a report that most of the B&T's are now closed.
"As far as disruptions, it?s finals weeks for NYU, Fordham, Brooklyn Law School and other city colleges.
Students got an e-mail blast Tuesday urging them to give themselves extra time to get to their exams because of the planned protests.
Children who take school buses in New York City were sent home with notes Tuesday, according to the Department of Education. The notes warned parents about possible delays in getting their kids home because of Wednesday's protests. "

Let us all see just how this all pans out.

So? The point is to SHUT THE CITY DOWN. DUHHHHHHHHH.....

;)

And the 8 million people there have a say in anything????:confused:
Let's make friends and influence people.;)

Sure, they're welcome to join.

The people in NYC have been inconvenienced for less. They will be O----K.

Influence people in NYC? I'd rather continue influencing the people that I influence elsewhere. :)

jon, you just want this not to work out for some reason.

LOL. :p

Go on somewhere.

Not sure just what your definition of "work out" is.;):D
If it is a peaceful demonstration, yes I do.

If it is that this is somehow going to change what happened in the past and bring people back to life-I know it will not.:(