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SWTXBelle 02-14-2008 05:39 PM

Quote - Why would we be taught about other GLOs - unquote



There you go - because you said "other GLOs", not "NPC", I read it to include other NPHC GLOs, and you've now confirmed that it is true, at least for your sorority.

Thetagirl218 02-14-2008 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmaceli (Post 1599355)
Oddly enough, it seems that when you get to the EXTREME South, i.e. South Florida, our Greek systems operate more like a Northern chapter. It's pretty weird.

The "Southern" style of recruitment wouldn't fly down here.


I think the "South" Line stops somewhere just before Jacksonville IMO. I went to school in North Florida and our GLOs acted more like some Northern ones in that aspect.

KenUDiggit 02-14-2008 06:01 PM

If there's sweet tea served then it's the south. I vacationed in Miami and about had a heart attack when I found out they didn't serve sweet tea :)

jwright25 02-14-2008 07:05 PM

I think this sums up the answer to this whole argument of North vs. South.

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1600516)
You would be miserable at my school, I would be miserable at yours. In the end, we both got what made us happy.


DSTRen13 02-14-2008 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1600902)
Quote - Why would we be taught about other GLOs - unquote



There you go - because you said "other GLOs", not "NPC", I read it to include other NPHC GLOs, and you've now confirmed that it is true, at least for your sorority.

It's an intake vs. rush thing --- NPC/IFC "potential new members" learn about other groups ONCE they choose an org, NPHC interests learn about other groups BEFORE they choose an org to pursue.

It would be pointless to spend a lot of time going over this material; everyone should already know the basic public information of every NPHC group beforehand, so spend the time learning more indepth about your org.

12dn94dst 02-14-2008 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1600740)
And I was surprised when ladygreek said other NPHC groups don't study the other 8 - maybe I wasn't clear about that. Sorry if I sounded like I was criticizing NPHC groups for not knowing about NPC - that isn't what I meant to convey.

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Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1600896)
Please show me where I said that, although for my org it is true. There is plenty of our own history to learn. But that is not what I typed.

Nope, it's not what you typed.

One more time from the "beginning" (bolded for emphasis):


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Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1600514)
Not with me. National name recognition means that across the nation one would hear the name and know it was a NPC sorority. That doesn't take away from an org's validity, I'm just saying that is a very broad statement to make.

I would not presume that my own sorority (or the rest of the NPHC) has national name recognition even within the Black community (note: the NPHC is not the entire Black community, rather a subset of it. ~12dn), much less out of it. And there are only nine NPHC orgs.

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1600518)
I'm kinda surprised, Ladygreek, that NPHC members wouldn't be up to speed about other member GLOs.


to which i replied:


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Originally Posted by 12dn94dst (Post 1600528)
LG referenced our name recognition in the Black community as a whole, not within the NPHC community specifically.

Bottom line regarding name recognition for anyone or anything, you can't be familiar with that which you are not exposed.

are we clear now? good!:D

SWTXBelle 02-14-2008 09:28 PM

I was clear back in post 121.

And back on topic - YES. It is the heat. And the humidity. Heat and humidity.

Thetagirl218 02-15-2008 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KenUDiggit (Post 1600927)
If there's sweet tea served then it's the south. I vacationed in Miami and about had a heart attack when I found out they didn't serve sweet tea :)


Lol, well using that logic, I guess Jacksonville is in the South! lol!!!!

I grew up in south/central florida, we have iced tea with sugar.....but I have never had sweet tea until I went away to school! Now I am hooked forever! :)

luv n tpa 02-15-2008 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 1600585)
-I'm still not wild about the 6-8 week new member period. I can understand it for individual GLO purposes, but I think the Panhellenic concept gets lost. Does any school still have Junior Panhel?

I haven't been at a computer for a while so excuse the 3-page backtrack.

We just established Junior Panhel this semester. Each chapter sends two girls, one from each of the two most recent pledge classes (already initiated). Some chapters also send various new members each week.

PhiGam 02-15-2008 11:10 PM

Florida is patchy but for the most part exclude south florida, retirement communities, and major cities. True Floridians are southerners but we have a TON of people from other places.
I really just wanted to bump this thread because I love the topic.

brunetteddd 02-17-2008 07:20 PM

As a Northerner going to school in the south, there is definitely a difference in Northern sororities vs. Southern sororities. I'd agree with the fact that in the south, sororities are steeped in tradition.

HOWEVER, this is a gross generalization on my part. Individual sororities on individual campuses with different girls all make a difference in someone's experience, so please don't get mad if your experience is different!!

I love my sorority and I love my school and I love being able to have a totally different college experience then most of my friends from high school, who are going to school back north.

IronManismyVOlS 02-18-2008 12:33 AM

I believe what makes greek life in the south so good is the amount of publicity and how active they are on campus. I attend UT Knoxville and everywhere there are greeks doing different things on campus and it doesn't hurt the fact that most fraternity and sorority members of all fraternities and sororities are good looking. Hey, we know how to pick 'em in the south.

Leslie Anne 02-18-2008 03:57 AM

I just have to clarify (once again) that this isn't a contest.

The original question was why Greek life is so "hot" or "vital" in the South, not why it's "better." (Many would and have dismissed the idea that it's better.)

PhiGam 02-18-2008 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by IronManismyVOlS (Post 1602700)
I believe what makes greek life in the south so good is the amount of publicity and how active they are on campus. I attend UT Knoxville and everywhere there are greeks doing different things on campus and it doesn't hurt the fact that most fraternity and sorority members of all fraternities and sororities are good looking. Hey, we know how to pick 'em in the south.

True, SGA (and almost every other campus org) here is dominated by greeks, I'm pretty sure that greeks have 100% of the SGA officers.

OLD_GOLD3 02-22-2008 02:44 PM

Is there any difference between Northern and Southern Chapters of BGLO's?
 
In response to SWTXBELLE comment
I beg to differ from most of the responses to that particular comment..... In my opinion there are differences (speaking of my org only), it depends on how you look at things. To make this as short as possible, I believe in my org the Greek culture varies from state to state, region to region. In theory all chapters in my org function in ways dictated by nationals but socially chapters are different. What more can I say chapters in Georgia and New York are different in some ways and I am not talking about how they speak. lol okay that was corny but I thought it was funny.

On my Cambria ish

PeppyGPhiB 02-22-2008 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bowsandtoes (Post 1600394)
When we think sorority, we think tri-delt, chi-o, zeta, pi phi, kappa, theta, the ones that have national name recognition.

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Originally Posted by bowsandtoes (Post 1600769)
As for the issue of chapter size and national recognition, I referenced a few sororities that I thought had greater name recognition in any region. Chi-o for instance, has about 175 chapters according to wikipedia. The site I looked at for the other sorority showed about 40-50 chapters, mostly in the Midwest. I'm not saying that makes it 'bad' by midwest standards, just that it wouldn't be viewed the same way in the South.

Though I agree with you that most of the sororities you named are known well nationwide, it's probably news to you that many greeks in the West have never met a member of, or heard of, Zeta. ZTA is a huge sorority, but it has relatively few chapters in the west whereas this territory is the bread & butter of other organizations. The only reason I even knew of ZTA when I was in college was because my aunt was a Zeta. And Phi Mu and AOII? I had only heard of them from looking at the NPC badge photos that were in our new member ed binders. I just met members of those organizations for the first time a month or so ago at an alumnae panhellenic meeting!

So, I believe you unintentionally made the point that others were trying to make - the world is much bigger than your own back yard, and if you haven't strayed far from home, it's best if you don't try to speak with much authority as to places/things you've never experienced.

Unregistered- 02-23-2008 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB (Post 1606031)

So, I believe you unintentionally made the point that others were trying to make - the world is much bigger than your own back yard, and if you haven't strayed far from home, it's best if you don't try to speak with much authority as to places/things you've never experienced.

Amen, Triad Sister!

I have to laugh whenever someone uses Wikipedia to make a statement.

Tippiechick 02-23-2008 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Leslie Anne (Post 1599615)
Yes, there's a big difference but I would take being Greek at my own college over being Greek in the South any day.

And, us Southerners are thanking God right now for that!

KenUDiggit 02-23-2008 05:33 PM

As long as we're all happy right? I'm a pledge at a southern fraternity and I don't think I would love the northern fraternities as much.

Benzgirl 02-23-2008 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KenUDiggit (Post 1606417)
As long as we're all happy right? I'm a pledge at a southern fraternity and I don't think I would love the northern fraternities as much.

You don't know what you don't know

Unregistered- 02-23-2008 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KenUDiggit (Post 1606417)
As long as we're all happy right? I'm a pledge at a southern fraternity and I don't think I would love the northern fraternities as much.

Now, do you mean northern chapters of your fraternity? Or fraternities more widely known in the north?

KenUDiggit 02-23-2008 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Benzgirl (Post 1606435)
You don't know what you don't know

Can't argue with that.

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1606437)
Now, do you mean northern chapters of your fraternity? Or fraternities more widely known in the north?

Northern chapters , there seems to be more emphasis on greek life down here:o. Here it seems people care more about the fraternity than boozing every weekend.

Unregistered- 02-23-2008 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KenUDiggit (Post 1606487)
Northern chapters , there seems to be more emphasis on greek life down here:o. Here it seems people care more about the fraternity than boozing every weekend.

And what leads you to assume that northern chapters don't care about the fraternity just as much as the southern chapters?

Going on what my sister said, you can't really compare what you don't know.

KenUDiggit 02-23-2008 11:05 PM

When I was up visiting my dad's fraternity, the brothers I met didn't show much enthusiasm about the chapter or the alums that showed up and just kept talking about going out that night. Its just one chapter so take it with a grain of salt.

FAMUDva 02-23-2008 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTRen13 (Post 1599401)
It definitely depends on the part of Florida --- it's a patchy state, lol :)

I totally agree! I'm originally from Ft. Myers, Florida (south of Tampa); and except for the snow birds and immigrants, the born & bred FLORIDIANS are VERY southern! lol :)

Same thing in some areas of Broward and Dade county... :rolleyes:

Leslie Anne 02-24-2008 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Leslie Anne (Post 1599615)
Yes, there's a big difference but I would take being Greek at my own college over being Greek in the South any day.

Well, that was a stupid thing for me to say. :o I must have been in a really pissy mood. My apologies to the Southerners. I do have to agree with Benzgirl that you only know what you know. Since I only know being Greek in the North, I should have kept my mouth shut.

Unregistered- 02-24-2008 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Leslie Anne (Post 1606561)
Well, that was a stupid thing for me to say. :o I must have been in a really pissy mood. My apologies to the Southerners. I do have to agree with Benzgirl that you only know what you know. Since I only know being Greek in the North, I should have kept my mouth shut.

If I had gone to school with a competitive rush like those at many southern campuses, I probably wouldn't even consider wanting to be Greek.

There's a lot of stuff about southern recruitment and "traditions" that I'll never understand (see my posts in kitemom's Texas Recruitment thread) because I never went through one and what I know about how it's like is from GC and my southern sisters I've met over the years.

To those who are slowly turning this into a pissing contest: our experiences are different, and I really don't think it's fair to believe that certain chapters are better than others based on geographics.

DSTCHAOS 02-24-2008 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1606596)
To those who are slowly turning this into a pissing contest: our experiences are different, and I really don't think it's fair to believe that certain chapters are better than others based on geographics.

:)

Especially when people get their heads out of their asses and meet members from across the country (and from other countries) who don't care about these exaggerated geographic/school size/school type/whatever else differences.

Benzgirl 02-24-2008 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1606596)
If I had gone to school with a competitive rush like those at many southern campuses, I probably wouldn't even consider wanting to be Greek.


^^^^ Ditto.

KenUDiggit should consider that one fraternity on one northern campus is not the "be all end all". My alma mater has over 60 fraternities and I can't say all of them get drunk on every weekend. He is using one experience to generalize Greek life the north to be somewhat Animal House.

We could start a new thread on "What is the dumbest thing you have ever heard a non-GDI say"

KenUDiggit 02-24-2008 01:03 PM

I can see what you mean by generalizations, but I didn't mean to(take it with a grain of salt). I'm sure there are fraternities in the south that have no care whatsoever other than drinking, but thankfully I am not in one of them! I'll talk to you later!

Elephant Walk 02-24-2008 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Benzgirl (Post 1606660)
^^^^ Ditto.

KenUDiggit should consider that one fraternity on one northern campus is not the "be all end all". My alma mater has over 60 fraternities and I can't say all of them get drunk on every weekend. He is using one experience to generalize Greek life the north to be somewhat Animal House.

We could start a new thread on "What is the dumbest thing you have ever heard a non-GDI say"

Someone call the whaaambulance....

boooooring.

Having met brothers from alot of northern and western chapters, I can clearly say that by Southern standards they are not up to par.

By Southern standards.

Take that how you will.

Benzgirl 02-24-2008 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 1606707)
Someone call the whaaambulance....

boooooring.

Having met brothers from alot of northern and western chapters, I can clearly say that by Southern standards they are not up to par.

By Southern standards.

Take that how you will.

Read, dimwhit! The poster was basing everything on one chapter, which he acknowledged. If you are basing your "southern standards" on all of your chapters across the country, then you have done a little (not much) more research. Your Southern Comfort can stand in your eyes, based on your Fraternity.

Not knowing what your standards are, I have no idea what "par" means to you. And, you not knowing what my standards are, makes it hard to take you seriously. And you too "generalize".

After you graduate, find a job and get a life, lets figure out who has higher standards. No, I don't walk around wearing white gloves, drinking sweet tea and admiring my deb dress, but my list of organizations and charities in which I am involved and the boards that I sit are most likely more than "up to par".

Oh silly me, after reading all of your narrow-minded posts, I realize you won't even speak with anyone outside the SEC or Big-12. Sounds like Fratty.

UGAalum94 02-24-2008 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Benzgirl (Post 1606720)
Read, dimwhit! The poster was basing everything on one chapter, which he acknowledged. If you are basing your "southern standards" on all of your chapters across the country, then you have done a little (not much) more research. Your Southern Comfort can stand in your eyes, based on your Fraternity.

Not knowing what your standards are, I have no idea what "par" means to you. And, you not knowing what my standards are, makes it hard to take you seriously. And you too "generalize".

After you graduate, find a job and get a life, lets figure out who has higher standards. No, I don't walk around wearing white gloves, drinking sweet tea and admiring my deb dress, but my list of organizations and charities in which I am involved and the boards that I sit are most likely more than "up to par".

No doubt, Bengirl, no doubt. Oddly, though, when people come back with snappy comments on both sides of the issue, it kind of taints the case.

It's hard to believe that any southern gentleman would waste much of his time degrading other chapters of a group which he is a member, and yet, nobody is really rising above here and establishing their superior good conduct and social manners.

I'm as guilty myself, no doubt.

Elephant Walk 02-24-2008 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1606722)
No doubt, Bengirl, no doubt. Oddly, though, when people come back with snappy comments on both sides of the issue, it kind of taints the case.

It's hard to believe that any southern gentleman would waste much of his time degrading other chapters of a group which he is a member, and yet, nobody is really rising above here and establishing their superior good conduct and social manners.

I'm as guilty myself, no doubt.

I'm obviously very guilty...

It's however very frustrating to read the writings of obvious GDI's on this board. People that are suppose to be my "brothers". How do these people manage to get in sororities and fraternities? I don't know. I thought we were suppose to be exclusive.

Benzgirl is repetitive in Southern bashing. I may be repetitive in Northern bashing, but at least I put it through my perspective instead of pretending it to be fact.

Also, Benzgirl, you spelled dimwit wrong.

I mean are you serious? That was the one word that you almost had to get right.

HuskyAlum 02-24-2008 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bowsandtoes (Post 1600769)
I consider anything under 100 total to be a small chapter, good chapter size would be 150-200.

As for the issue of chapter size and national recognition, I referenced a few sororities that I thought had greater name recognition in any region. Chi-o for instance, has about 175 chapters according to wikipedia. The site I looked at for the other sorority showed about 40-50 chapters, mostly in the Midwest. I'm not saying that makes it 'bad' by midwest standards, just that it wouldn't be viewed the same way in the South.


Someone already made the point about how unreasonable it would be to have a 100+ chapter at a private school with 1,000 undergraduates - even in the South! The other thing I'd like to point out is that my organization is the second largest (chapter wise) in the country and our average chapter size is about 80-90. Somehow that doesn't lend much validity to the fact that a "good" chapter size is 150+.

PhiKapSkulls 02-24-2008 03:51 PM

Dear Elephant Walk:

How can anyone take you seriously when your name is "Elepahnt Walk"? You named yourself after a form of hazing which is defined as when a group of guys form a straight line and grab the erect cock of the guy in back of them with one hand and put their thumb in the sphincter of the guy in front of them then they then walk a in a circle. I guess that is part of your Southern standards?

Elephant Walk 02-24-2008 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiKapSkulls (Post 1606750)
Dear Elephant Walk:

How can anyone take you seriously when your name is "Elepahnt Walk"? You named yourself after a form of hazing which is defined as when a group of guys form a straight line and grab the erect cock of the guy in back of them with one hand and put their thumb in the sphincter of the guy in front of them then they then walk a in a circle. I guess that is part of your Southern standards?

Because my screen name totally means I have connections to it.

Smart one, killer.

Homosexual hazing tends to stay out West, actually.

UGAalum94 02-24-2008 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 1606768)
Because my screen name totally means I have connections to it.

I have got to be honest: I've found it disturbing since I first saw it.

Benzgirl 02-24-2008 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 1606739)
Also, Benzgirl, you spelled dimwit wrong.

I mean are you serious? That was the one word that you almost had to get right.

Whit and wit are both acceptable ways of spelling the word. As in Nitwhit and Half Whit too. I couldn't decide which Whit was the best description of you.
I have nothing against the south. Just certain narrow-minded Fratties who demonstrate their loss for Whit!

DSTCHAOS 02-24-2008 05:51 PM

:D

I've said this before so here goes:

When I first saw "Elephant Walk" I thought he was a Delta. We have an Elephant Walk that is not hazing and (of course) is not as described above.

I've also seen those photos and they are disturbing. However, this poster may be referencing real elephants but, being Greek, it would appear that it's a Greek reference.


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