There's a bit more than "some" truth to it, and I have thought about it, on numerous occasions. Apparently, so have a lot of other people. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/14/di...gewanted=print

One quote that stuck out to me was:

"Moreover, most gloves are made of latex, a component of natural rubber. Particles of latex can cause allergic reactions not only among people wearing the gloves but also among customers eating food prepared by them. As a result, three states have banned latex gloves in restaurants. In New York a bill has been introduced in the Legislature requiring warning signs in restaurants that use latex gloves."

Kathy, thanks for that and I liked the article, but most food places don't use latex gloves. I don't really think I've been to eat anywhere where latex gloves were being used. I usually see the clear gloves being used. I'm not sure what kind they are though. I know that some people can have an allergic reaction to the chemicals used on the gloves, but would you rather eat that, or bacteria found in feces and urine?

It would still be a shitty job.

That's "in general." Many servers absolutely love what they do for a living.

They need the Server's Union to make the public more aware of the dynamics of tipping. Most of us already know it's up to 15% and that tipping is part of good etiquette and humanity. But we don't know who gets the tips in every establishment and tax stuff.

That is such a pet peeve of mine as well. Every establishment does not need a tip jar.

I'm playing the world's smallest violin right now....:rolleyes:

if serving is a shitty job get another one...

a lot of people that I know serve because its flexible and they say that they make decent money..I wanted more then decent money so I secured a job that affords me as such...anyone can do it...I'm far from cheap, but I'm not going to just give my money away either...bottom line cuz this horse is just about dead is we're not going to agree...I personally wouldn't attempt to support my child/household on a job that depended on tips..God bless those who do...

It almost makes me feel obligated to tip when there's a jar there.

The clear gloves have chemicals in them, too. And I'd rather see people wash their hands, religiously. Read the article. :)

I know they do, and I read the article. It was good.

I would like to see people wash their hands religiously too, but that's a bit unrealistic. They don't wash their hands, so I would rather eat the chemicals instead of feces, and urine, and whatever else is on their hands.

Good point. I guess I never thought of it that way.

Well I'm glad that you are so fortunate to have found a secure job, because here in Michigan it's all some people have. Some people hate serving, but it's the best they can do to get food on the table for their families, or to get them through college, or to pay their rent. You personally wouldn't do it. I wouldn't either. We're fortunate that we don't have to. But others have no choice. I think you're just making excuses for being cheap.

umm ok. nighty nite....

The other night when I was out to dinner with girlfriends, my dish came out with red onions and a ton of jalepenos on top as garnish. I absolutely hate red onions, and I can't handle jalepenos like that. I removed them from the food and had to put them on my bread plate, which I don't appreciate having to do in a restaurant. So when the waiter came over a few minutes later, I kindly suggested to him that they should not just "garnish" the top of food with things not included on the menu. Especially not with onions, which many people are allergic to (on the side of the dish would've been ok, but this was across the whole top of the food). In this case, the server seemed to really appreciate my suggestion due to the food allergies their customers may have.

It is a huge pet peeve of mine when the meal I ordered comes out with extra or different main ingrediants than what is described on the menu. After all, I decide which dish to order based on the description in the menu!

Servers should see these comments as ultimately helping save their jobs. If many dishes have to be re-done every night, that's a lot of inventory the restaurant is going through for no profit. MOST restaurants will fail...they don't need help from inattentive chefs and servers. If I'm spending my money to have someone cook and serve me a meal, I expect the server to record my order correctly, the chef to cook it to order, and the server to ensure that what they deliver to me is in fact what they sent up to the kitchen. If I ask for no avacado and tomatoes on my salad, I expect the server to notice the mistake if my salad comes out with tomatoes and avacados. That is what they're being paid for...it's pretty much the totality of their job!

That was exactly the point. I would not send food back if it had something on it that I asked to be taken off because I'm not allergic to anything. But if someone with an allergy asks for something to be taken off and it's not, then that's perfect cause to send it back. Whether or not it was their fault for not making it clear they had a medical reason for not eating it is irrelevant--I was pointing out that they still had reason to send it back without being seen as rude.

Cheerful--Wendy's always puts onions on my sandwiches when I ask them not to, so I feel you! Arby's is 50/50 on that.

As someone who worked with gloves in both jobs (one food one not) the gloves are vinyl and are a safer (and better smelling/feeling on your hands) choice than latex any day.

My point was that people shouldn't have to tell every waiter in a restaurant about food allergies or medical conditions if according to the menu their dish is not supposed to have the food in question on it. I had no reason to think that red onion and jalepenos would be put all over the top of my pasta dish, so I never would've thought to tell the waiter to keep onions and jalepenos away. But I'm getting REALLY tired of having my order completely ignored and my food brought out NOT as I ordered it. It is gross and rude for me to pick apart my salad/sandwich/pasta/entree to remove the pieces I asked to NOT be included.

And when I tell a server to "hold the tomatoes" or whatever, I shouldn't have to tell them I have a food allergy in order to make it happen. If it's such a pain in the ass for that establishment, there are plenty of other places I can get a great meal and service.

I totally I agree, but what do you mean "your point?" I responded to Kappa Kitty or somebody, didn't I? I'm confused!

But you totally do have a point though, my family went out and we ordered water for the table, with all of them having lemon but 1. Sure enough, he brought 5 lemon waters and we had to tell him that my mom is allergic to citrus, go make hers without it like we asked the first time. Though that was something important, we shouldn't have had to say it to make him pay attention. If that had been something in her food that we asked to be taken out, granted we would have been much more clear about the fact that it is an allergy and that it's imperative that lemon be taken out of the dish. However, I feel that saying "hold the lemon" means what it means--no cook/chef/server should be so lazy that they have to be told "She'll die if she eats the lemon" before they do their job right.

Oh that's just taking it a bit far, don't you think?

Who said anything about being cheap? :rolleyes:

Tipping isn't a requirement, cause if it was then it would be included in every bill for every single establishment you go to. Each individual has the right to decide who they will tip to and what they want to tip for. If folks don't like it, they have the right to do differently, but calling someone cheap for not wanting to give a tip is just rude.

And btw, I can personally give you a list of jobs a mile long for the State of MI that folks simply won't apply for, that don't require any experience or degree in that field. Maybe those who are so desperate for a tip can hit the State of MI website and apply for those jobs, and avoid the stress of not making enough in tips.

No it's not going too far. I could ask a bunch of people how'd they feel about someone who doesn't like to tip (or tips like crap) and they'll all say that person is cheap (given that the service was up to par).

Tipping is not a requirement. But if you don't want to go to a tipping establishment, then make your own food.

And I'd love to see that list.

Sistergreek, I think its apparent that this chick just likes to get the last word in so give it to her..the fact is there are plenty of jobs in most states that people don't want that pays at least the minimum wage...as I said before, people who serve often choose to because of getting paid mostly in cash daily and the flexibility...I choose to help the plight of my fellow man through communty service and charitable donations, not inflated or unnecessary tips :rolleyes: If I complained about my unpredictable hours and the mental stress of my job to anyone they would say "look for a new job", this is no different...I joined the USAF on my 18th birthday to better my situation...last I checked they're still hiring...

I don't know what this thread is about anymore. So here goes:

http://www.ncsl.org/programs/employ/...mwages2006.htm

ETA: I noticed the "tipping" thread said that not all restaurant staff gets minimum wage. That sucks. Who determines whether they do get minimum wage? If they don't get minimum wage, I can see they are dependent on the tips. Oh well.

All this about the take-out from Applebee's, Ruby Tuesday's etc...count me as another person who never tips in that situation, and I'm not a cheapskate. I honestly had no idea wait staff had ANY hand in that, and I'm betting most of the public doesn't either. That's shitty that they're made to include that in the things they're doing - especially since the restaurants are REALLY pushing it lately.

Re the tip jars - they make me LESS likely to tip. Especially when they're at places like Subway where I know damn well the staff isn't working for tips (i.e. they're making minimum or better). It's presumptuous & intrusive.

I agree.

At the Dunkin' Donuts near my house, there is a sign inside that says something along the lines of "Please do not tip the workers." Yet they still have their tip jars by the register (and drive-thru).

When it comes to take out, I tip occasionally. I never really figured wait staff did much but bag it up and bring it to the counter so I didn't think a tip was really necessary. As for tip jars, the sushi chefs have their own and I am never sure if they get tip share so I try to tip them separately from the waitress in that situation. But what's with Cold Stone having a tip line on their receipts and a tip jar? The people at my Cold Stone don't sing and I'm sure they get paid a regular hourly wage - so what's the tip for? :rolleyes:

It kills me when they have them at Starbucks et al...I'm already paying $4 for a damn cup of coffee, I'm not making it $5.

I don't tip in tip jar unless I am at a bar (which is pretty rare lately). It used to crack me up to watch my brother getting ready for the evening crowd at the bar he worked at-- he would always put a few dollars of his own money in the tip jar to start it out.

As for tipping for takeout- usually when I have picked it up it is the hostess or manager that brings me my food, and both of them should make minimum wage, so I don't tip. If it was a server, I will add a couple dollars as a tip, but not 20%.

Amen!

You took the words right out of my mouth! But you know what, I used to go into Starbucks once or twice a week and I'd see the same workers and they knew my face and my favorite drinks and were always so friendly that it would make me feel guilty not to tip. :( So I'd usually throw some change in even though the whole idea irked me.

That's what I tell servers when they get pissed. A lot of people don't know to tip on carry outs. I don't think it's shitty to make them do it. They're still serving the public. In some restaurants, the manager is busy catering to servers needs (helping them run food, putting in food comps, gift certificates, helping keep things filled in the back if the servers are too busy to) so it has to go on the servers.

I understand though that people don't know what exactly goes on behind the scenes at a restaurant. I had no clue about any of this before getting in the business. The only reason I knew to tip on carry outs was because of my friends who were servers. Once you're in the business, you become a lot more sympathetic to those who do it.

I'm not gona lie. I only tip at Cold Stone because I'm sure the teenagers hate doing the song and dance and I think it's funny to have to make them do it.

haha my BFF in high school LOVED working at Coldstone and loved singing the dumb tip songs even more! it is quite hilarious...