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Drolefille 07-19-2007 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1488515)
Well, to be fair, he certainly did judge from time to time. Remember how he talked to and about the Pharisees and their attitude that they were more religious than anyone else and kept the law better than anyone else?

Of course, Jesus gets to judge, being God Incarnate and all. The rest of us, not so much. ;)
And he pretty much told his disciples NOT to judge others. But yeah, being Divine gets you perks.

MysticCat 07-19-2007 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1488516)
And he pretty much told his disciples NOT to judge others.
Lest they themselves be judged, as I recall.

Drolefille 07-19-2007 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1488517)
Lest they themselves be judged, as I recall.
Why does everyone forget that bit? I mean, and I'm not talking about internet chit chat here, why do people go along judging anyway? Is it just hubris? They're so sure that they're right in what they do that their own judgement doesn't bother them?

I need to be drunk for this conversation. This sounds like a great drunken philosophical conversation coming up here.

LPIDelta 07-19-2007 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1488515)
Well, to be fair, he certainly did judge from time to time. Remember how he talked to and about the Pharisees and their attitude that they were more religious than anyone else and kept the law better than anyone else?

Of course, Jesus gets to judge, being God Incarnate and all. The rest of us, not so much. ;)
True--point well made :)

AlexMack 07-19-2007 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1488519)
Why does everyone forget that bit? I mean, and I'm not talking about internet chit chat here, why do people go along judging anyway? Is it just hubris? They're so sure that they're right in what they do that their own judgement doesn't bother them?

I need to be drunk for this conversation. This sounds like a great drunken philosophical conversation coming up here.
Break out the sigma kappa shotglass! Wait, do you have one of those? That was one of my initiation gifts.

summer_gphib 07-19-2007 11:19 PM
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While I'm not a fan of the word "herstory" as it completely misunderstands the etymology of the word "history" is anything created by "humanists" automatically wrong?
Not always, but in using "herstory" in a Christian way, I think it's wrong. Many feminists have used the "herstory" idea to say that God is a female. There was even a "bible" that was changed to make God a female. (Right now the name of it isn't coming to me and I'm feeling too lazy to look it up.)

I don't think everything humanist is necessarily wrong. But when it comes in the context of flying in the face of Biblical teaching it is.

IMHO "herstory" also looks ignorant, and it's like scratching fingernails down a chalk board.

I'm really glad of Gamma Phi Beta's and Gamma Sigma Sigma's HISTORY. ;)

UGAalum94 07-19-2007 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1488519)
Why does everyone forget that bit? I mean, and I'm not talking about internet chit chat here, why do people go along judging anyway? Is it just hubris? They're so sure that they're right in what they do that their own judgement doesn't bother them?

I need to be drunk for this conversation. This sounds like a great drunken philosophical conversation coming up here.
Well, there's some amount of sincere belief that you have an obligation to admonish sinners as a spiritual act of mercy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_works_of_mercy, but even then, I think it's supposed to be more of a "hey, did you know that it's sinful to do that, so quit it" rather than "nah nah nah we're better than you."

About being drunk for some conversations: I got a random email from a former student asking me what I thought of copyright in the digital age basically, and I asked him why he asked. His response was that he and his college friends were having drunken debate about it. I'm a complete nerd, but even I didn't waste my college late night conversation on copyright. Kids these days.

MysticCat 07-19-2007 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1488519)
Why does everyone forget that bit? I mean, and I'm not talking about internet chit chat here, why do people go along judging anyway? Is it just hubris? They're so sure that they're right in what they do that their own judgement doesn't bother them?
Apparently it doesn't. Sometimes I think they're just so confident that when that judgment comes around, God is going to thank them for taking care of things for him.

summer_gphib 07-19-2007 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1488531)
Apparently it doesn't. Sometimes I think they're just so confident that when that judgment comes around, God is going to thank them for taking care of things for him.
That made me laugh out loud. I've got to share that with my pastor! *lol* :D

UGAalum94 07-19-2007 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by summer_gphib (Post 1488535)
That made me laugh out loud. I've got to share that with my pastor! *lol* :D
Wait, you're in a regular sorority and you have a pastor? Like you go to church and stuff?


Please apply your own signature to my post.

DeltaBetaBaby 07-19-2007 11:51 PM
Would anyone here like to join my new sorority, Phi Sigma Mu? We are dedicated to serving the Flying Spaghetti Monster. You can read about our beliefs here.

We are way better than all other sororities, because we have been touched by his noodly appendage. If you'd like to join, please acquire a pirate outfit for the pledging ceremony.

Drolefille 07-19-2007 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by summer_gphib (Post 1488529)
Not always, but in using "herstory" in a Christian way, I think it's wrong. Many feminists have used the "herstory" idea to say that God is a female. There was even a "bible" that was changed to make God a female. (Right now the name of it isn't coming to me and I'm feeling too lazy to look it up.)

I don't think everything humanist is necessarily wrong. But when it comes in the context of flying in the face of Biblical teaching it is.

IMHO "herstory" also looks ignorant, and it's like scratching fingernails down a chalk board.

I'm really glad of Gamma Phi Beta's and Gamma Sigma Sigma's HISTORY. ;)
Well I don't really think God is necessarily male or female, but I think that it's silly to call Jesus by feminine pronouns. I'll agree with the ignorance thing though. Oh, another good one is womyn. Get to take the "men" out of "women." Again, a lack of understanding of etymology. It's like some people think that English is the alpha and omega of languages.
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Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum (Post 1488530)
Well, there's some amount of sincere belief that you have an obligation to admonish sinners as a spiritual act of mercy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_works_of_mercy, but even then, I think it's supposed to be more of a "hey, did you know that it's sinful to do that, so quit it" rather than "nah nah nah we're better than you."

About being drunk for some conversations: I got a random email from a former student asking me what I thought of copyright in the digital age basically, and I asked him why he asked. His response was that he and his college friends were having drunken debate about it. I'm a complete nerd, but even I didn't waste my college late night conversation on copyright. Kids these days.
Yeah but, as you said, it's not quite a *OMG YOU'RE GOING TO BURN IN THE PITS OF HELL" sort of thing.
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Originally Posted by porkfriedrice (Post 1488522)
Break out the sigma kappa shotglass! Wait, do you have one of those? That was one of my initiation gifts.
I do actually have one, it's remained a collectors item though. I'm still the Sober Sigma in my group of friends/sisters.
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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1488531)
Apparently it doesn't. Sometimes I think they're just so confident that when that judgment comes around, God is going to thank them for taking care of things for him.
lol, I would say I want to watch that particular interaction, but it's more uncharitable of me than anything else.

Drolefille 07-19-2007 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 1488546)
Would anyone here like to join my new sorority, Phi Sigma Mu? We are dedicated to serving the Flying Spaghetti Monster. You can read about our beliefs here.

We are way better than all other sororities, because we have been touched by his noodly appendage. If you'd like to join, please acquire a pirate outfit for the pledging ceremony.
*raises hand* Are ninja outfits acceptable for Pastafarians?

UGAalum94 07-20-2007 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 1488546)
Would anyone here like to join my new sorority, Phi Sigma Mu? We are dedicated to serving the Flying Spaghetti Monster. You can read about our beliefs here.

We are way better than all other sororities, because we have been touched by his noodly appendage. If you'd like to join, please acquire a pirate outfit for the pledging ceremony.
DBB, I'm not busting on you, but the Flying Spaghetti Monster thing always just seemed mean spirited to me, much like some devoted believers so I get that.

But personally, if I were a resolved non-believer, I don't think I would waste any of my time baiting the religious. What's the only thing that would be more pathetic than devoting your life to an irrational belief system? Devoting your life to mocking those who hold an irrational belief system.

ETA: I was looking at the site, and I concede on the point of resisting the teaching of Creationism in school, it's effective, which really was their point. Actually, I think all effective resistance would take is promoting exactly how specifically religious Intelligent Design is. For a long time, I though it just kind of said, hey maybe evolution didn't just happen on its own. When it says instead stuff more like, "and at this point, we think God did this and here's why."

ladygreek 07-20-2007 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1488512)
While I'm not a fan of the word "herstory" as it completely misunderstands the etymology of the word "history" is anything created by "humanists" automatically wrong?
I hope not, and as a Humanist I, too, do not like the term herstory. On another note I do like the term shero when referring to a female role model . :D

Drolefille 07-20-2007 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum (Post 1488555)
DBB, I'm not busting on you, but the Flying Spaghetti Monster thing always just seemed mean spirited to me, much like some devoted believers so I get that.

But personally, if I were a resolved non-believer, I don't think I would waste any of my time baiting the religious. What's the only thing that would be more pathetic than devoting your life to an irrational belief system? Devoting your life to mocking those who hold an irrational belief system.

ETA: I was looking at the site, and I concede on the point of resisting the teaching of Creationism in school, it's effective, which really was their point. Actually, I think all effective resistance would take is promoting exactly how specifically religious Intelligent Design is. For a long time, I though it just kind of said, hey maybe evolution didn't just happen on its own. When it says instead stuff more like, "and at this point, we think God did this and here's why."
Except that the people who want intelligent design taught in school know exactly how religious it is. They're the ones who repackaged it as faux science. No one else is really fooled. They want to be able to teach that "some supreme being" (aka GOD) created things, but ignore the fact that intelligent design is an equally valid description of what happened when the FSM stretched out his noodly appendage. It's real purpose is an exercise in absurdity. Some of taken the FSM further than that, but that's really all it is.

/Ramen.

ladygreek 07-20-2007 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by summer_gphib (Post 1488529)
I don't think everything humanist is necessarily wrong. But when it comes in the context of flying in the face of Biblical teaching it is.
That's because Humanists do not believe in the Bible to be the word of God. Same as the Jewish do not believe in the New Testament and Muslims have their own written word. So do you believe they are wrong, too?

It is not flying in the face of it, it is merely saying that it is considered a historical recollection of humans. So, if the intent is not to disparage, what is wrong with that?

Oh and just as an aside, just like I capitalize Christians, Catholics, Baptists, etc. I would appreciate seeing Humanists capitalized. Thank you.

UGAalum94 07-20-2007 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1488569)
Except that the people who want intelligent design taught in school know exactly how religious it is. They're the ones who repackaged it as faux science. No one else is really fooled. They want to be able to teach that "some supreme being" (aka GOD) created things, but ignore the fact that intelligent design is an equally valid description of what happened when the FSM stretched out his noodly appendage. It's real purpose is an exercise in absurdity. Some of taken the FSM further than that, but that's really all it is.

/Ramen.
Yeah, I remembered it more as a general attack on religious belief which isn't the point so much as resisting Creationism in the form of ID in schools. My bad.

The ID folks know it's religious. It's the rest of us who I think need to be educated about specifically what they are advocating teaching.

I think a lot of us are open to letting biology teachers acknowledge that students don't have to choose between science and religion and that religious kids don't have to feel that they are adversaries somehow, which real or not, is I think how the real thumpers see it. But that doesn't mean that we're cool with teaching masked Creationism in schools.

I guess that I was slow to catch on to the actual full fledged ID agenda, so I think it could use some more mainstream debunking. When the usual atheists and super-strict-secularists are principally against something, moderate religious people don't necessarily listen as attentively as they should, so everyone is just preaching to the choir.

RozRochelle 07-20-2007 01:26 AM
You gave your opinion and I gave mine. Obviously we don't agree. That's cool.

I didn't call you a coward. If you haven't noticed, I'm not afraid to say what I want to say on here. With that in mind, you should know that if I thought you were a coward, I would have said so straight out.

I don't think you really want your questions answered. I feel you're trying to bait and instigate, and I'm not going to be dragged in because, to quote you, this is going nowhere. So, good night.

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Originally Posted by Heather17 (Post 1488503)
You're calling me a coward? Nice. I don't think its Christian to be so judgmental of someone you don't know--especially someone who was trying to be nice and helpful. Jesus certainly did not judge, and being judgmental is definitely not what the Bible says to do.

Why is it that some Christians think they are "more Christian" that others just because they may pray more or go to church more or join a club? Or in this case, because they want to start internet fights that will go nowhere? Isn't being a Christian about believing in Jesus and trying to live according to his lessons?

ladygreek 07-20-2007 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by RozRochelle (Post 1488603)
You gave your opinion and I gave mine. Obviously we don't agree. That's cool.

I didn't call you a coward. If you haven't noticed, I'm not afraid to say what I want to say on here. With that in mind, you should know that if I thought you were a coward, I would have said so straight out.

I don't think you really want your questions answered. I feel you're trying to bait and instigate, and I'm not going to be dragged in because, to quote you, this is going nowhere. So, good night.
You seem to do a lot of back pedaling of your posts. It came across to me, too, that you were calling her a coward and less of a Christian for not speaking up. While you didn't use the exact words, your post implied it. Go back and read what I said about people needing to take the onus for what they say when multiple people interpret it the same way.

I thought you said you were done a few posts ago. So now are you really done, done, done?

Drolefille 07-20-2007 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by RozRochelle (Post 1488603)
You gave your opinion and I gave mine. Obviously we don't agree. That's cool.

I didn't call you a coward. If you haven't noticed, I'm not afraid to say what I want to say on here. With that in mind, you should know that if I thought you were a coward, I would have said so straight out.

I don't think you really want your questions answered. I feel you're trying to bait and instigate, and I'm not going to be dragged in because, to quote you, this is going nowhere. So, good night.
Please don't forget to answer my polite, calm, question before you leave.

Kelouis75 07-20-2007 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by FAMUDva (Post 1488278)
Thank you for your indepth answer Kelouis! I really appreciate you answering me honestly. :)
Sure thanks for asking with respect. I'm happy to "talk" with you anytime. God bless! :)

AlphaFrog 07-20-2007 02:38 PM
Can we just say AMEN to this thread and let it be over with.

Dies irę! dies illa
Solvet sęclum in favilla
Dona eis requiem. Amen.

Drolefille 07-20-2007 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 1488901)
Can we just say AMEN to this thread and let it be over with.

Dies irę! dies illa
Solvet sęclum in favilla
Dona eis requiem. Amen.
That will be stuck in my head now, thanks.

Love me some Latin.

AOII Angel 07-20-2007 09:10 PM
I say, "Thank God for sororities that are based on making friends (aka sisters,) having fun, learning life skills and serving humanity." I want to know why ITE (IOH, ITH, IOE...IOU, I don't know) thinks it is so noble to disguise a bible study as a sorority when sororities are apparently evil. I could care less if they want to get together and discuss the bible....more power to them. But...I reserve the right to make fun of any and all people, whether they're Christian or not, if they are ignorant and deserve mockery! Thank you for any blessings in advance, but you're wasting your time.

Drolefille 07-20-2007 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1489056)
I say, "Thank God for sororities that are based on making friends (aka sisters,) having fun, learning life skills and serving humanity." I want to know why ITE (IOH, ITH, IOE...IOU, I don't know) thinks it is so noble to disguise a bible study as a sorority when sororities are apparently evil. I could care less if they want to get together and discuss the bible....more power to them. But...I reserve the right to make fun of any and all people, whether they're Christian or not, if they are ignorant and deserve mockery! Thank you for any blessings in advance, but you're wasting your time.
Bless you.


Don't hit me! :p

ladygreek 07-20-2007 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 1488901)
Can we just say AMEN to this thread and let it be over with.
May the Lord watch
Between me and thee
While we are absent
One from another
AMEN!

DeltaBetaBaby 07-21-2007 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1488550)
*raises hand* Are ninja outfits acceptable for Pastafarians?
I'm sorry, that's private ritual information.

1908Revelations 07-21-2007 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1489103)
May the Lord watch
Between me and thee
While we are absent
One from another
AMEN!
Thanks LG, b/c I had no idea.

AlphaFrog 07-21-2007 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 1908Revelations (Post 1489226)
Thanks LG, b/c I had no idea.
Actually, what ladygreek wrote was the Mizpah poem (they print it on coins and those pendants that break apart for best friends or significant others).

What I wrote was from the Dies iræ part of the Requiem mass:

Dies iræ! dies illa
Solvet sæclum in favilla
Day of wrath and terror looming!
Heaven and earth to ash consuming,


And then I skipped to the end (I didn't see any reason to type all 17 verses):

dona eis requiem. Amen.
grant it rest. Amen.

SWTXBelle 07-21-2007 11:26 AM
Awww, AlphaFrog - now everyone knows!
BTW - I thought it was the perfect way to end the thread . . .

AlphaFrog 07-21-2007 11:31 AM
I didn't think anyone would appreciate walking around reciting Dies irę, thinking they were reciting the Mizpah poem.;)

I suppose La crimosa or Pie Jesu could have worked as well.

1908Revelations 07-21-2007 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 1489234)
I didn't think anyone would appreciate walking around reciting Dies irę, thinking they were reciting the Mizpah poem.;)

I suppose La crimosa or Pie Jesu could have worked as well.
Oh I was not going to be walking about town reciting it, but thanks for clarification.

ladygreek 07-21-2007 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 1908Revelations (Post 1489226)
Thanks LG, b/c I had no idea.
Oh I wasn't translating what AF wrote. I was just giving my own benediction to this thread as it closes. :D

pinkies up 07-21-2007 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1489273)
Oh I wasn't translating what AF wrote. I was just giving my own benediction to this thread as it closes. :D
*hint hint*:cool:

CUPrez 08-16-2007 01:35 AM
Well Said...
 
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Originally Posted by modorney (Post 1487846)
I'd cut these ladies a lot of slack. They are on a mission, and are straight up with what they want out of life. As far as the symbolism of the greek letters and what they may look like, that's their call, we all stretch our symbolism a bit.

As far as naming chapters, whether you use greek letters, or non-greek words (like California Alpha) or some other alphabet like Hebrew or Katakana, what's the big deal? Or, like one house that uses the greek alphabet, but not in the normal alphabetic sequence?

Most of us are in GLO's with a prior history of restricting members to one religion. Over time, that evolved into most of our houses that allow any religion today. Some "encourage" one religion, but admit anyone who is comfortable with, but not a member of, that religion.

(Protestant) Christianity has evolved into a few large megachurches of more than a thousand, each. The neighborhood church of a few hundred parishoners that all knew each other, with a staff of half a dozen, is fading from the scene. The megachurches feature a well-produced service, with a distinct worship team of musicians, that is distinct from the large audience.

The "business model" of these churches does not lend itself to fellowship, the worship service is the biggest priority. As a result, Christian fraternities and sororities fill this vacuum. Just like they did a century ago, when Billy Sunday preached in large tents and tabernacles. That happened to be one of the greatest growth periods for GLO's.

Just because nobody here talks about Religion doesn't mean they don't practice it - this is a greek forum, not a religion forum. That doesn't mean you can't bring it up, it's a forum, so anything that's not offensive is OK. If you aren't into that religion, just ignore the posts.

GLO's are organizations, and we can learn from other organizations - whether they be corporations, non-profits, churches, or even other styles of GLO. Greek life faces a lot of challenges, we need to work together, what's good for one greek is good for all.
What a clear perspective! This is the best response that I have seen yet on this topic that has clearly and unfortunately gotten out of hand. To each his or her own... People have to make decisions for themselves. I understand all of this started as a "joke" but it unfortunately made someone else feel small.

Often when someone is made to feel small, they will retort making themselves "big". I don't think anyone's intent was to hurt, nor do I think anyone's intent was to come off condescending. CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG AND LOVE EACH OTHER! Can you tell I'm a Californian?

CUPrez 08-16-2007 01:41 AM
I wanted to be clear
 
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Originally Posted by CUPrez (Post 1503092)
What a clear perspective! This is the best response that I have seen yet on this topic that has clearly and unfortunately gotten out of hand. To each his or her own... People have to make decisions for themselves. I understand all of this started as a "joke" but it unfortunately made someone else feel small.

Often when someone is made to feel small, they will retort making themselves "big". I don't think anyone's intent was to hurt, nor do I think anyone's intent was to come off condescending. CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG AND LOVE EACH OTHER! Can you tell I'm a Californian?
This was my comment. My signature wasn't on before. I'm still learning Greek Chat.

AlphaFrog 08-16-2007 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 1488901)
Can we just say AMEN to this thread and let it be over with.

Dies irę! dies illa
Solvet sęclum in favilla
Dona eis requiem. Amen.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1489103)
May the Lord watch
Between me and thee
While we are absent
One from another
AMEN!
Quote:
Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1489273)
Oh I wasn't translating what AF wrote. I was just giving my own benediction to this thread as it closes. :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkies up (Post 1489341)
*hint hint*:cool:
Amen. No more. Let the thread die peacefully. PLEASE.


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