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Wonderful1908 01-14-2008 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccoyred (Post 1580414)
While Bob Johnson is a brilliant businessman, I have little respect for him as a leader of Black America because he is responsible for that travesty called BET.


Ditto!

Honeykiss1974 01-14-2008 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccoyred (Post 1580414)
While Bob Johnson is a brilliant businessman, I have little respect for him as a leader of Black America because he is responsible for that travesty called BET.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

KAPital PHINUst 01-15-2008 11:49 PM

The GOP primaries are making for one perfect storm
 
Huckabee wins Iowa
McCain wins New Hampshire
Romney wins Michigan

A perfect storm is brewing. There is no GOP frontrunner.

To add to matters, Thompson and Guiliani (aka The Ghoul) have been getting their tails whipped consistently while Ron Paul is improving, placing from 5th in IA and NH to 4th in MI.

Paul will need to win (or at least place a strong 2nd) in at least one state before Super Tuesday if he is to have any real momentum going into Super Tuesday. Nevada could be that very state, while The Ghoul is banking on Florida.

If both goes according to plan, the perfect storm will lead right into Super Tuesday. Further weak standings by Thompson or The Ghoul might lead to one or both of them dropping on or shortly after Super Tuesday.

The Paul grassroots are trying to enlist the help of political analyst Richard Viguerie to be hired on by the campaign as campaign manager. Viguerie is known for helping catapult Ronald Reagan's campaign to winning the 1980 presidential election using his campaign expertise.

Anyway...we'll see what happens.




mccoyred 01-26-2008 09:05 PM

South Carolina
 
CNN projects Obama as the winner in SC. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/...ef=mpstoryview

AKA2D '91 01-30-2008 10:12 AM

Edwards to drop out?

:confused:
This is going to make the race for the Demo nod very interesting. :eek:

mccoyred 01-30-2008 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91 (Post 1590926)
Edwards to drop out?

:confused:
This is going to make the race for the Demo nod very interesting. :eek:

Frankly, I think that he will end up as the running mate of the eventual winner. They both need someone like him - young, white, male, southern. Why not choose a familiar face?

AKA2D '91 01-30-2008 11:18 AM

True, but although, I still don't have a candidate, I thought he would have stuck it out. :confused:

For those of you who still don't have a candidate, this may help you to choose...

http://www.votechooser.com/

SummerChild 01-31-2008 11:51 AM

I've had my candidate for awhile. Barack Obama all the way!
I think that he's smart, got a good vision, is a straight talker (not the typical equivocating and lying politician) whose not afraid to stand up for what he believes in.

Heck, he has been against the Iraq war and was outwardly opposing it from his positions in IL before we even went to war.

Hillary, on the other hand (and Edwards too for that matter), thought it appropriate for us to go to war. I questioned her judgment then and I question it now. Besides, she gives me the impression of someone who will change her tune just to get votes and I don't trust her. Heck, she's already co-opting Barack Obama's change message after he won in Iowa. Then she somehow all of a sudden for the first time ever started to cry in NH before the big race where women were predicted to turn out in droves. I just don't trust her.

Further, I think that there is something to a politics of change that Barack Obama is putting forth and I think that we need someone who is not afraid to go against what has been the status quo in Washington and someone who is relatively young but smart enought to make the change happen. I'm tired of old politicians who are so tied to lobbyists that they can't do anything - I think that Hillary Clinton may fit into that category - heck, look at all of the money her husband gets from "philanthropists" each year for his "foundation." They have literally become **millionaires**. I just don't believe that she won't have her hands tied a little with all of her ties to her and her husband's friends. Here is one article just from today where her husband received 31 million from a friend for his foundation - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22926743.


I'm tired and ready for a change. If we could trust the country to a babbling, egotistical fool who couldn't spell, think long-term and who, whenever anything happened in the country (Sept. 11th included), wasn't even in D.C., he was out on the ranch in TX taking a vacation, I think that we can trust the country to a smart, straight shooting man with good ideas and a plan who is not afraid to take positions that may be, in some cases, somewhat revolutionary.

I.am.ready.for.a.change. I'm going with Barack all the way.

SC

Little32 01-31-2008 12:08 PM

I have noticed Hillary's co-opting of O'Bama's language too. I think you nicely summed up what rubs me the wrong way with regards to Hillary; she seems to change with the tide.

I really like Edwards and I think that he would be a good running mate for either candidate. He, for me, is firmly grounded in the realities of the American public and I think that sort of grounding is just the thing to temper Obama's idealism, which I also like, about how to create a better nation.

SummerChild 01-31-2008 02:14 PM

I hear that. Weren't we going to do lunch or something? I totally forgot. Hit me on the pm.
SC
Quote:

Originally Posted by Little32 (Post 1591762)
I have noticed Hillary's co-opting of O'Bama's language too. I think you nicely summed up what rubs me the wrong way with regards to Hillary; she seems to change with the tide.

I really like Edwards and I think that he would be a good running mate for either candidate. He, for me, is firmly grounded in the realities of the American public and I think that sort of grounding is just the thing to temper Obama's idealism, which I also like, about how to create a better nation.


KAPital PHINUst 02-03-2008 03:06 PM

Super Tuesday is in 2 days; The Ghoul and Fred Thompson have dropped out on the GOP side with 4 contenders left, Edwards dropped out on the Dems side, leaving Hillary, Obama, and Mike Gravel.

Super Tuesday is gonna be super indeed.

STAY TUNED!!

Ten/Four 02-03-2008 04:16 PM

Yes We Can
 
A music video based on Senator Obama's speech.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY

Will.I.Am interview explaining why he made the song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYwfi3_KyAw&NR=1

mccoyred 02-04-2008 12:26 PM

Every day I am more and more impressed with Senator Obama. With all that is at stake on tomorrow, he AND his wife took the time to visit Delaware (with its measly two Democratic delegates) in the past week; Michelle came on Thursday and Barack came yesterday. I believe that this shows that he cares about everyone, not just the big money or big vote states. Of course there were people attending the rallys from other states like PA, MD and NJ which is also a Super Tuesday state.

AKA2D '91 02-04-2008 01:09 PM

Since tomorrow is a holiday, we vote on Saturday. It will be interesting.

mccoyred 02-04-2008 11:51 PM

I saw this on a list serve....

************************************************** ****************

WHAT 35 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE?


The Facts:

Senator Barack Obama
1996-2004 (Illinois State Senator)
2005-2008 (United States Senator)
12 Years of Elected Office Experience

Senator Hillary Clinton
2001-2008 (United States Senator)
7 Years of Elected Office Experience
(FYI George W. Bush had 6 years in office before the presidency)

Barack Obama is more experienced to be President of the United States.

35 - 7 = 28 years of zero elected office experience for Hillary Clinton.

Again, what 35 years of experience is Hillary talking about?

Here are the remaining 28 years

8 Years (Lawyer)
12 Years (First Lady of Arkansas)
8 Years (First Lady of the U.S.)
28 Years of Zero Elected Office Experience

Since when is 20 years of being a first lady relevant experience for being president?

FINAL ANALYSIS

Senator Barack Obama, Not Only By Virtue Of His Character, Honesty, And Competence, But Also By Virtue Of His Experience, Is Clearly More Qualified To Be President Of The United States.

pinkies up 02-05-2008 12:00 AM

I was talking to my mom today. She was telling me that she hasn't felt this way about a candidate since JFK. She says it's amazing to see how one person can have an effect on so many diverse groups of people. I'm Obama all the way.

Honeykiss1974 02-05-2008 10:06 AM

For the undecided people (or even the decided :D ), take this short quiz to see which candidate your views align with.

http://www.votechooser.com

Mine was Ron Paul - which didn't surprise me at all. :)

TonyB06 02-05-2008 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honeykiss1974 (Post 1594394)
For the undecided people (or even the decided :D ), take this short quiz to see which candidate your views align with.

http://www.votechooser.com

Mine was Ron Paul - which didn't surprise me at all. :)

Be careful taking "opinion" surveys of this type too seriously. Most sites of this type, Votechoose in this case, don't explain to the quiz-taker the "weight" they've given to the choices you make. So you really have little idea of the "bias" they've assigned your choices.

lillady85 02-05-2008 11:10 AM

Thank you for that, HoneyKiss. I was going to vote for Edwards but now that he is out, I've been really undecided. The vote chooser helped me, even if I'm voting for someone I don't necessarily love.

Little32 02-05-2008 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccoyred (Post 1594277)
I saw this on a list serve....

************************************************** ****************

WHAT 35 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE?


The Facts:

Senator Barack Obama
1996-2004 (Illinois State Senator)
2005-2008 (United States Senator)
12 Years of Elected Office Experience

Senator Hillary Clinton
2001-2008 (United States Senator)
7 Years of Elected Office Experience
(FYI George W. Bush had 6 years in office before the presidency)

Barack Obama is more experienced to be President of the United States.

35 - 7 = 28 years of zero elected office experience for Hillary Clinton.

Again, what 35 years of experience is Hillary talking about?

Here are the remaining 28 years

8 Years (Lawyer)
12 Years (First Lady of Arkansas)
8 Years (First Lady of the U.S.)
28 Years of Zero Elected Office Experience

I thought I was the only one wondering what she was talking about.


Quote:

Originally Posted by SummerChild (Post 1591830)
I hear that. Weren't we going to do lunch or something? I totally forgot. Hit me on the pm.
SC


Hey Lady, I am just catching this. I will hit you on the pm.

RedefinedDiva 02-05-2008 12:49 PM

I took the quiz on votechooser and I'm an Obama Girl! :D But I already knew that! LOL! :D

txdiva 02-05-2008 08:09 PM

Surprisingly, I'm an Obama Girl, too! :D

RedefinedDiva 02-05-2008 09:05 PM

Obama is predicted to have won Georgia and Illinois! He's the MAN!! :D

BlessedOne04 02-05-2008 11:40 PM

Hilary is winning alot of states. Barak really needs California.

ChanelLover 02-06-2008 08:07 AM

I have to get this off my chest:
If one more person came up to me yesterday and said Vote Obama, they were so going to get snapped on. And if I tell you who I voted for, do not give me the side-eye. I will vote for whoever I feel. Also, do not tell me that I am no longer Black because I didn't vote for Obama. Shoot, I'll vote for Mitt Romney, if that's what I feel is best.

I understand some people are a little excited, but please have some have some business about yourself.

Thanks,
Management

ladygreek 02-06-2008 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccoyred (Post 1593902)
Every day I am more and more impressed with Senator Obama. With all that is at stake on tomorrow, he AND his wife took the time to visit Delaware (with its measly two Democratic delegates) in the past week; Michelle came on Thursday and Barack came yesterday. I believe that this shows that he cares about everyone, not just the big money or big vote states. Of course there were people attending the rallys from other states like PA, MD and NJ which is also a Super Tuesday state.

He also took the time to come to MN Saturday to a standing room only crowd of 20,000. And it paid off.

Hillary has ticked off some of the old Dem guard here by coming on Sunday to a small venue and acting as if MN really didn't matter. We may not have a huge number of delegates, but she forgets this is the home of Humphrey and Mondale. And those old guard (Humphrey's descendents) still have friends in the party. Bad strategy Hill and Bill.

Oh btw, in spite of Super Tuesday, I am still and independent and have yet to choose a candidate since Edwards dropped out. But an Obama/Edwards ticket does appeal to me. But I need Obama to be more concrete about his plan for universal health care.

ladygreek 02-06-2008 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedefinedDiva (Post 1594789)
Obama is predicted to have won Georgia and Illinois! He's the MAN!! :D

He had better won Illinois. :D

TonyB06 02-06-2008 10:20 AM

observations from last night...
 
Obama won 12 of 22 states;
Despite not capturing California or NY, Obama about broke even with HRC in delegates earned last night;
According to exit polling, white men (J. Edwards' absence?) and to a lesser extent, Hispanics, are beginning to trend toward Obama;

Obama carried the Dem primaries in Idaho and Alaska .....yeah, Idaho.

I think I read that Obama reported $32 million raised for January. (Reports estimated HRC at around $10m). Money follows momentum.

...could make for a really interesting November.

Little32 02-06-2008 10:36 AM

His margin of victory in Illinois was larger then Clinton's margin of Victory in New York, which I find interesting.

mccoyred 02-06-2008 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1595092)
He also took the time to come to MN Saturday to a standing room only crowd of 20,000. And it paid off.

Hillary has ticked off some of the old Dem guard here by coming on Sunday to a small venue and acting as if MN really didn't matter. We may not have a huge number of delegates, but she forgets this is the home of Humphrey and Mondale. And those old guard (Humphrey's descendents) still have friends in the party. Bad strategy Hill and Bill.

Oh btw, in spite of Super Tuesday, I am still and independent and have yet to choose a candidate since Edwards dropped out. But an Obama/Edwards ticket does appeal to me. But I need Obama to be more concrete about his plan for universal health care.

It paid off in Delaware, too :)

Honeykiss1974 02-07-2008 01:54 PM

Well it looks like the Rep candidate is John McCain...
 
McCain seals GOP nod as Romney suspends
By LIZ SIDOTI
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - John McCain effectively sealed the Republican presidential nomination on Thursday as chief rival Mitt Romney suspended his faltering presidential campaign. "I must now stand aside, for our party and our country," Romney prepared to tell conservatives.

http://www.kansas.com/news/updates/story/304270.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is just my opinion but I do think with him leaving, that McCain is the most likely Republican candidate. So IMO, I think if the Democrats want a presidential victory, Hillary Clinton can not be the Democratic candidate.

This race is getting more interesting by the moment.:)

TonyB06 02-07-2008 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honeykiss1974 (Post 1595770)
This is just my opinion but I do think with him leaving, that McCain is the most likely Republican candidate. So IMO, I think if the Democrats want a presidential victory, Hillary Clinton can not be the Democratic candidate.

...just curious, what are you basing your opinion on?

WenD08 02-07-2008 05:43 PM

i have a friend/political buddy who feels the same way. she really believes that since HC is such a polarizing figure, she cannot be the Dem nominee. HC will drive away Independents, Dems, Repubs, etc.
i read a poll that stated that Dems will vote for whoever the nominee is. i believe that many are that pragmatic enough to go with the last person standing.

TonyB06 02-07-2008 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WenD08 (Post 1595935)
i have a friend/political buddy who feels the same way. she really believes that since HC is such a polarizing figure, she cannot be the Dem nominee. HC will drive away Independents, Dems, Repubs, etc.
i read a poll that stated that Dems will vote for whoever the nominee is. i believe that many are that pragmatic enough to go with the last person standing.

So who do you side with, your friend/political buddy or the poll which says pragmatism will carry the day?

...correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't HRC wins all been in closed primary states thus far?

both HRC and Obama, as does McCain, have vulnurabilities, but the 3-to-1 Democratic turnout in their primaries vs. the Republicans gives the Ds a bit more margin to figure this thing out, IMO.

Ten/Four 02-07-2008 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyB06 (Post 1595942)
both HRC and Obama, as does McCain, have vulnurabilities, but the 3-to-1 Democratic turnout in their primaries vs. the Republicans gives the Ds a bit more margin to figure this thing out, IMO.

And, don't forget that very conservative Republicans don't like McCain.

mccoyred 02-07-2008 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honeykiss1974 (Post 1595770)
McCain seals GOP nod as Romney suspends
By LIZ SIDOTI
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - John McCain effectively sealed the Republican presidential nomination on Thursday as chief rival Mitt Romney suspended his faltering presidential campaign. "I must now stand aside, for our party and our country," Romney prepared to tell conservatives.

http://www.kansas.com/news/updates/story/304270.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is just my opinion but I do think with him leaving, that McCain is the most likely Republican candidate. So IMO, I think if the Democrats want a presidential victory, Hillary Clinton can not be the Democratic candidate.

This race is getting more interesting by the moment.:)

Frankly, I think the party told Romney to drop out. Super Tuesday was wayyyy to divided. Many of the winners could not be announced until over 95% of the votes were cast, much later than most Democratic contests. The Republican party needs to declare a 'conservative' and a 'centrist'. Besides, Huckabee proved very strong in the South so he wasn't going anywhere!

mccoyred 02-07-2008 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyB06 (Post 1595942)
So who do you side with, your friend/political buddy or the poll which says pragmatism will carry the day?

...correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't HRC wins all been in closed primary states thus far?

And Obama has won in both closed AND open primaries AND caucuses AND in all parts of the country. Based on contests up through SuperTuesday, Obama clearly has the wider appeal in the Democratic party as well as among Independents and Liberal Republicans.
He does need to work on older folks and white women. Ted and Oprah need to step up their games...

WenD08 02-07-2008 06:47 PM

i'm with the poll. my take is that from now until November 4th, things will not get better (the housing market:mad:, the economy, the war, etc). as a result, the Repub nominee, let's assume McCain, will be seen as someone who will continue w/the bush program. voters, i feel, will then vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever that person is.

Honeykiss1974 02-07-2008 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WenD08 (Post 1595935)
i have a friend/political buddy who feels the same way. she really believes that since HC is such a polarizing figure, she cannot be the Dem nominee. HC will drive away Independents, Dems, Repubs, etc.
i read a poll that stated that Dems will vote for whoever the nominee is. i believe that many are that pragmatic enough to go with the last person standing.

Yeah, what she said. Many Republicans, even those that are not apart of the "conservative right" just do not get warm fuzzies with HRC. Honestly I'm sure some of that probably is leftover feelings from her husband's presidency too. I'm not saying that she can't be the Dem nominee but I do believe that if she is, she will not have the ability to cause more moderate Repubs to "crossover" I really believe you will have people vote for the Republican candidate (even if it wasn't McCain) because they just don't want to vote for her - another Clinton.

Ten/Four 02-07-2008 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccoyred (Post 1595976)
And Obama has won in both closed AND open primaries AND caucuses AND in all parts of the country. Based on contests up through SuperTuesday, Obama clearly has the wider appeal in the Democratic party as well as among Independents and Liberal Republicans.
He does need to work on older folks and white women. Ted and Oprah need to step up their games...

Also, Obama has the capital to stay in the race as long as needed. I saw a report (I think on CNN) that he raised $7 million since just last week. CNN reported that Clinton had to use $5 million of her own money.

I agree with the above statement that the party told Romney to quit. I was surprised that he dropped out. I think he was hoping to do better on Super Tuesday, but the split vote still gave him hope. Just look what it did for Hucklebee. Everyone told him drop out, but he did well on Tuesday.


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