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DSTCHAOS 09-15-2006 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1321340)
Ditto.

I'm Italian-American (as well as just plain American) and I have a Nonna instead of a grandma. I can make pasta al dente and I know that the whole throwing it at the wall thing is bunk. It should always stick to the wall, but only taste will tell you if it's done.

But I also see myself as "American."
You're a white person who is well-connected to your Italian heritage.

Drolefille 09-15-2006 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1321352)
You're a white person who is well-connected to your Italian heritage.
That's the definition of an "ethnic group" I'm not ethnically white, i'm racially white. I'd have more in common with a black italian-american than a white guy from Iceland.

You can be racially black and ethnically Carribbean or African, or European, or just plain American.

shinerbock 09-15-2006 01:12 PM
Right, but what I'm talking about is the idea that diversity adds something to a university. I really don't see how black people lacking some advantage enjoyed by whites would add anything overly valuable. Diversity to me would mean an array of ideas and backgrounds. I simply fail to see how raising the black population of a school from 6% to 10% would accomplish that. Sure, the additional black students may have different ideas and backgrounds, but so would the white people they're replacing. I'm not attempting to make this into an affirmative action debate, I just think our society's ideas about diversity are fairly skewed.

DSTCHAOS 09-15-2006 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1321364)
That's the definition of an "ethnic group" I'm not ethnically white, i'm racially white.
Of course. I've been talking about race the whole time--the social construction of race categories and how European ethnic groups (often referenced as white ethnic groups) assimilated into the white race category.

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1321364)
I'd have more in common with a black italian-american than a white guy from Iceland.
Ethnically and culturally, yes, as long as you're in touch and loyal to your specific background. But when it comes time to simply be "white" and identify as such, you and the Iceland-American will potentially have a great deal in common.

So what you're saying isn't in constrast to what I said so I will remember not to repeat myself. ;)

DSTCHAOS 09-15-2006 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1321370)
Sure, the additional black students may have different ideas and backgrounds, but so would the white people they're replacing. I'm not attempting to make this into an affirmative action debate, I just think our society's ideas about diversity are fairly skewed.

Do you automatically think "affirmative action" when you see blacks at predominantly white institutions? :)

shinerbock 09-15-2006 01:36 PM
No, but I automatically think "affirmative action" when discussing universities trying to increase the on-campus diversity.

DSTCHAOS 09-15-2006 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1321392)
No, but I automatically think "affirmative action" when discussing universities trying to increase the on-campus diversity.
That isn't always a safe assumption, since most people don't know the specific methods universities use to get a more diverse student body. Sometimes it is as simple as opening recruitment to predominently black or Hispanic high schools whose students have the test scores and grades but no one comes to talk to them about colleges. Also, some universities offer grants and scholarships that attract a more diverse student body.

The whites don't own those applicant slots in the first place. So a literal "replacing" of whites is taking place but that wording is a bit disturbing to me.

But truth be told "affirmative action" (in the broad sense) has been used for decades to keep some institutions predominently white. ;)

shinerbock 09-15-2006 01:56 PM
You're right, whites don't own those spots. However, the majority of qualified applicants applying to good schools are white. Likewise, the majority of qualified applicants getting rejected are white. The simple fact is that affirmative action has kept white applicants from being accepted. The question is whether less qualified minorities have been given their "spot." I imagine the answer is yes, but that isn't my immediate concern. Schools in the past have been fairly open about accepting the minority candidate over a white one when their qualifications are identical. In the UM case, the school claimed this was to foster diversity on campus, which can provide an environment conducive for education. However, my opinion is that such practices constitute racial discrimination, and that the practices do not serve the purpose of "fostering diversity" any better than accepting the white applicant would, considering the broad diversity that exists among whites.

jubilance1922 09-15-2006 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1321409)
You're right, whites don't own those spots. However, the majority of qualified applicants applying to good schools are white. Likewise, the majority of qualified applicants getting rejected are white.
The simple fact is that affirmative action has kept white applicants from being accepted. The question is whether less qualified minorities have been given their "spot." I imagine the answer is yes, but that isn't my immediate concern. Schools in the past have been fairly open about accepting the minority candidate over a white one when their qualifications are identical. In the UM case, the school claimed this was to foster diversity on campus, which can provide an environment conducive for education. However, my opinion is that such practices constitute racial discrimination, and that the practices do not serve the purpose of "fostering diversity" any better than accepting the white applicant would, considering the broad diversity that exists among whites.
So are you assuming that every non-white person in college is there because a white person got rejected? What happened to people getting to college on their own merits? Last time I checked, there were qualified people of EVERY race.

I went to college with kids like you, they took one look at me in engineering courses and decided I was there because of affirmative action, when in actuality, I didn't have a single "minority" scholarship, but I had a bunch because I was an out-of-state student.

DSTCHAOS 09-15-2006 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1321409)
You're right, whites don't own those spots. However, the majority of qualified applicants applying to good schools are white. Likewise, the majority of qualified applicants getting rejected are white. The simple fact is that affirmative action has kept white applicants from being accepted. The question is whether less qualified minorities have been given their "spot." I imagine the answer is yes, but that isn't my immediate concern. Schools in the past have been fairly open about accepting the minority candidate over a white one when their qualifications are identical. In the UM case, the school claimed this was to foster diversity on campus, which can provide an environment conducive for education. However, my opinion is that such practices constitute racial discrimination, and that the practices do not serve the purpose of "fostering diversity" any better than accepting the white applicant would, considering the broad diversity that exists among whites.
People don't complain until their opportunity hoarding is challenged. Discrimination is fine until they THINK they are on the receiving end. Without universities admitting to it, how many rejects actually KNOW for a FACT that they were denied for less qualified minority applicants? Not many. As opposed to the discovery of covert and overt practices of racial and ethnic, gender, social class, and religious exclusion at many institutions over the years. That's something to sing about and that's why we have affirmative action efforts (that benefit more than blacks and Hispanics, despite what the media tells people).

So back to the topic of achieving diversity. Affirmative action is simply ONE of the means through which diversity is achieved so no need to continue down that road. I just wanted to ask why you brought up affirmative action. ;)

shinerbock 09-15-2006 02:22 PM
I brought up affirmative action because its become a blanket term used to describe efforts by universities to increase diversity. I imagine you'll agree with my version of its usage. As for opportunity hoarding, I imagine this is some effort by you to justify the racial discrimination against some whites in the application process, but it holds little weight with me.

To jubilence, who obviously saw the first few lines of my post and jumped to conclusions, i'd like to ask where I said all minorities are admitted because a white kid got screwed. This will probably take you a while, considering I didn't say it, nor did I even come remotely close to implying it. Better luck next time.

jubilance1922 09-15-2006 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1321431)
I brought up affirmative action because its become a blanket term used to describe efforts by universities to increase diversity. I imagine you'll agree with my version of its usage. As for opportunity hoarding, I imagine this is some effort by you to justify the racial discrimination against some whites in the application process, but it holds little weight with me.

To jubilence, who obviously saw the first few lines of my post and jumped to conclusions, i'd like to ask where I said all minorities are admitted because a white kid got screwed. This will probably take you a while, considering I didn't say it, nor did I even come remotely close to implying it. Better luck next time.
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However, the majority of qualified applicants applying to good schools are white. Likewise, the majority of qualified applicants getting rejected are white. The simple fact is that affirmative action has kept white applicants from being accepted. The question is whether less qualified minorities have been given their "spot." I imagine the answer is yes,
Are you sure you didn't come close to implying it? The above shows that you said that you think less qualified minorities have been given the spots that would have went to qualified applicants who are white.

Try again.

DSTCHAOS 09-15-2006 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1321431)
I brought up affirmative action because its become a blanket term used to describe efforts by universities to increase diversity.
Gotcha. Just know that affirmative action isn't a blanket term. You should've qualified your tangent with a more accurate depiction of affirmative action.

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1321431)
As for opportunity hoarding, I imagine this is some effort by you to justify the racial discrimination against some whites in the application process
No, I am providing a holistic approach to "affirmative action." Why get rid of affirmative action when merit has never been the sole determinant of educational and occupational standing? If it has been "good for the goose" for decades, it is certainly "good for the gander"--especially if the gander can now be placed on a level field to compete with the goose.

I don't consider the leveling of the playing field to be "(reverse) racial discrimination," anyway. I think whites' complaints of reverse racial discrimination are self-important, presumptive and audacious.

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1321431)
To jubilence, who obviously saw the first few lines of my post and jumped to conclusions, i'd like to ask where I said all minorities are admitted because a white kid got screwed. This will probably take you a while, considering I didn't say it, nor did I even come remotely close to implying it. Better luck next time.

She saw that you leaped from "diversity" to "affirmative action." Her conclusion is the same as when I asked you about seeing black students and automatically thinking "affirmative action." It's your fault...better luck next time. ;)

DSTRen13 09-15-2006 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jubilance1922 (Post 1321417)
I went to college with kids like you, they took one look at me in engineering courses and decided I was there because of affirmative action, when in actuality, I didn't have a single "minority" scholarship, but I had a bunch because I was an out-of-state student.
Ah, engineering school. Where the white guys (and the professors) all assume you must be an idiot who just got in for diversity if you're black, Hispanic, or -gasp!- female. :rolleyes:

Jubilance, and all the rest of you on here who are minority women in engineering and sciences, you all take a lot of crap and you all amaze me. I could never have lasted at my engineering undergrad if I hadn't been holed up in my little liberal arts major haven, and I only have one strike against me.

Drolefille 09-15-2006 03:46 PM
I've pretty much not been involved in this conversation, but I do take offense to being told exactly who I identify with and such. The idea that you only identify with those inside your own race is stupid, exclusionary, and biased. And the idea that race necessarily tops ethnicity, especially in white people, is equally stupid.

DSTRen13 09-15-2006 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1321526)
I've pretty much not been involved in this conversation, but I do take offense to being told exactly who I identify with and such. The idea that you only identify with those inside your own race is stupid, exclusionary, and biased. And the idea that race necessarily tops ethnicity, especially in white people, is equally stupid.
I don't think anyone's saying who you personally identify with - there's no way any of us could possibly know that. However, in American society, people looking at you will identify you by race before they identify you by ethnicity. That's a fact. It's also a fact that the race they identify you with - white - grants you certain privileges in American society. It's not only a matter of the privileges you choose to exercise or reject, but also inherent privilege involved with being white and being a part of the majority which currently and historically has held the power in this country.

I think one thing that is important to remember, however, is that when ethnicity does become an issue with white people, it can often be perceived negatively. Especially in the case of Italian-Americans, who are often stereotyped and treated unfairly by the media. So I can see how this would be an important issue for you.

DSTCHAOS 09-15-2006 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1321526)
I've pretty much not been involved in this conversation, but I do take offense to being told exactly who I identify with and such.
You said you identify with exactly what I said you identify with. Race-white; Ethnicity-Italian American. Problem? Better yet, read "How the Irish Became White" by Noel Ignatiev. Then you'd see that this topic isn't about YOU. ;)

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1321526)
The idea that you only identify with those inside your own race is stupid, exclusionary, and biased.
No one said that.

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1321526)
And the idea that race necessarily tops ethnicity, especially in white people, is equally stupid.
Congratulations on finding something to be offended by. :) People can moan and groan all they want to just to prove a point in a thread but if a camera was to follow you around everyday of your life, you would see the truth for what it is.

DSTRen13 09-15-2006 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1321551)
Better yet, read "How the Irish Became White" by Noel Ignatiev.
Everyone should read this.

DSTCHAOS 09-15-2006 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTRen13 (Post 1321550)
I think one thing that is important to remember, however, is that when ethnicity does become an issue with white people, it can often be perceived negatively. Especially in the case of Italian-Americans, who are often stereotyped and treated unfairly by the media. So I can see how this would be an important issue for you.

I agree.

But Italian Americans are still given the opportunity to either downplay or "up"play their Italian heritage. Either case they can identify as white and receive the same privileges as other whites in most social contexts. Italian Americans can even receive the utmost privilege in places with huge concentrations of Italian Americans.

shinerbock 09-15-2006 04:48 PM
You're being ridiculous. There is very little distinction in affirmative action as it is practiced today, and diversity seeking universities. Don't believe me? Go look at the UM Supreme Court cases portrayed in the media as "affirmative action cases."

How is reverse discrimination audacious? The fact that you refuse to recognize it is pretty outrageous in my mind. What you're telling me is that its ok for a university to accept a black candidate over an equally qualified white person simply because they're black. You're right, thats not reverse discrimination at all...

As for "leveling the playing field," you'll have to look other places. White people aren't holding the black community down. I highly suspect your blaming of the problems on institutionalized racism aren't aiding the rise of the black community either.

Again, about me "implying" that all minorities are only in school in place of white people, I never even came close to saying that. Try as you might, me saying that it HAS happened is in no way similar to me saying it ALWAYS happens. I figured you two would understand that, but perhaps my confidence has been misplaced.

Drolefille 09-15-2006 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1321551)
You said you identify with exactly what I said you identify with. Race-white; Ethnicity-Italian American. Problem? Better yet, read "How the Irish Became White" by Noel Ignatiev. Then you'd see that this topic isn't about YOU. ;)



No one said that.



Congratulations on finding something to be offended by. :) People can moan and groan all they want to just to prove a point in a thread but if a camera was to follow you around everyday of your life, you would see the truth for what it is.
I'm not offended. I said I think it's dumb.

I know it's not all about "ME." But us wops have feelings too. Ethnic groups haven't exactly chosen when they get to integrate into mainstream American culture.

Saying things like "they can identify as white" and thus recieve white priviliges implies that it is a choice. I don't identify as "white" White means nothing to me. I identify as Italian and as American. My children will likely identify as German and Italian or as just plain American. American does not equal white it means that I feel attached to the country I was born in.

/And that I like Americanized versions of other countries' foods.
//I'd still be a wop in some eyes.

DSTCHAOS 09-15-2006 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1321582)
I'm not offended. I know it's not all about "ME."
Good. :)

DSTCHAOS 09-15-2006 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1321574)
portrayed in the media
Exactly.

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1321574)
What you're telling me is that its ok for a university to accept a black candidate over an equally qualified white person simply because they're black. You're right, thats not reverse discrimination at all...
Then we agree. :p

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1321574)
White people aren't holding the black community down. I highly suspect your blaming of the problems on institutionalized racism aren't aiding the rise of the black community either.
You're leaping again. If I didn't type it, don't assume it. I always say exactly what I mean and mean exactly what I say because I know I'm not typing to my colleagues. ;)

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1321574)
Again, about me "implying" that all minorities are only in school in place of white people, I never even came close to saying that. Try as you might, me saying that it HAS happened is in no way similar to me saying it ALWAYS happens. I figured you two would understand that, but perhaps my confidence has been misplaced.
Well don't get snippy because it's not that serious. You leaped without explaining your leap. So we were left to fill in the blanks and make sense of your leap. Surely you know that your posts have never warranted a benefit of the doubt before.

starang21 09-15-2006 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by jubilance1922 (Post 1321417)
I went to college with kids like you,
me too. usually the kids who fell at the back of the bell curve.

AKA_Monet 09-15-2006 06:34 PM
I am so confused...

Why am not amazed at little pledges from the University of Georgia showing naked women who happen to be of Afrikan descent to the public driving down the street?

shinerbock-

You know you ain't got no Black friends anyway, so what's up with the vehemenence? Sistahgirl DSTChaos just called your bluff and you need to be a man about it...

What's going to happen is you are gonna go off into a "hissy fit", "huff and puff", yell at all your little friends about Black people in Dekalb County, Stone Mountain, Georgia, where my cop, brother in law might have to take you to lockdown, 'cuz you missed your Klan rally up at the top of Stone Mountain...

If you want to hate baby, that's okay... You ain't got no game or skillz, but you can hate...

Which is probably the whole point to this pointless act. It just goes to show you that the Chi Phi pledges at UGA have no game or skillz and they have to show naked ladies to folks driving down to street to get some...

DSTCHAOS 09-15-2006 07:08 PM
Now I'm confused. :confused:

jubilance1922 09-15-2006 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTRen13 (Post 1321522)
Ah, engineering school. Where the white guys (and the professors) all assume you must be an idiot who just got in for diversity if you're black, Hispanic, or -gasp!- female. :rolleyes:

Jubilance, and all the rest of you on here who are minority women in engineering and sciences, you all take a lot of crap and you all amaze me. I could never have lasted at my engineering undergrad if I hadn't been holed up in my little liberal arts major haven, and I only have one strike against me.
You know I went to your undergrad as a grad student right?

And you're right, it definately has some characters...but there are some great folks there too.

Dionysus 09-15-2006 07:30 PM
Wow, I can't believe that you all actually had classmates that told you that crap to your face. :eek:

macallan25 09-15-2006 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1321630)
I am so confused...

Why am not amazed at little pledges from the University of Georgia showing naked women who happen to be of Afrikan descent to the public driving down the street?

shinerbock-

You know you ain't got no Black friends anyway, so what's up with the vehemenence? Sistahgirl DSTChaos just called your bluff and you need to be a man about it...

What's going to happen is you are gonna go off into a "hissy fit", "huff and puff", yell at all your little friends about Black people in Dekalb County, Stone Mountain, Georgia, where my cop, brother in law might have to take you to lockdown, 'cuz you missed your Klan rally up at the top of Stone Mountain...

If you want to hate baby, that's okay... You ain't got no game or skillz, but you can hate...

Which is probably the whole point to this pointless act. It just goes to show you that the Chi Phi pledges at UGA have no game or skillz and they have to show naked ladies to folks driving down to street to get some...
Maybe you should speak proper English if you are going to try to insult him.

shinerbock 09-15-2006 08:26 PM
Seriously AKA, I have no idea what you're talking about. If you're referring to your friend attempting to justify reverse racism, then thats fine, but I'm not quite sure.
I'm not sure what you mean by "my leap," so I can't fully answer your question. As far as I'm concerned, there is no "leap" involved. Its simply that you believe a black student should get into a school before an equally qualified white person, simply because of race.

As for affirmative action, theres no use debating what it is and what it isn't. I apologize if I don't recognize your definition over the likes of CNN or MSNBC...while I give you credit for being at least marginally intelligent, I'm not sure my regard can be extended that far. I think our fundamental difference in ideology is that while I think applicants should be admitted on merit, you feel some people should be given preferential treatment. I guess we're just different.

Starang, I find your comments regarding the bell curve funny...especially since the comment you are agreeing with was a completely erroneous assumption.

DSTRen13 09-16-2006 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by jubilance1922 (Post 1321653)
You know I went to your undergrad as a grad student right?

And you're right, it definately has some characters...but there are some great folks there too.
Yeah, I know :D

It's just always amazed me the attitudes of some of those people ... especially the difference from when I was in my major classes (literature, history, etc.) and when I was in my science and math courses. Some people would say to your face that you only got in because you were a girl. Women would even say it about themselves - I guess they thought self-depreciation was cute.

I think one of the biggest problems in universities today is the divisions between students over stuff like that, and my undergrad/your grad seemed to really accentuate those divisions a lot. I think they're starting to improve, tho'.

Just always pissed me off ... I had better credentials on my admissions application than my SO the Rocket Scientist, but no one ever challenged him on any kind of affirmative action stuff :mad:

AKA_Monet 09-16-2006 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1321669)
Maybe you should speak proper English if you are going to try to insult him.
Wow, you find that insulting? :confused:

AKA_Monet 09-16-2006 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1321691)
while I give you credit for being at least marginally intelligent.
Now that's pretty funny you say given what I do for a living...

I'll let you search my posts from the last few years to see my "marginal intelligence" has put me.

But, I guess what counts is "emotional intelligence" and "social intelligence" and you are not the sharpest tool in the chest here, now are you...

I do dare you to start posting how much you really love and enjoy Black women on the Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. "avenue" on GC.

Good luck with that... Oh, and actually, I am not that young. I am around Earp's age...

macallan25 09-16-2006 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1321795)
Wow, you find that insulting? :confused:
Yeah, I could take quite a bit of what was said as somewhat insulting.....nothing that I would get upset over by any means.....but still insulting.

After reading your last response.....I am somewhat interested to know what it is that you do. I don't care the least bit to search "over the years" to see what it is......something though is telling me that it really isn't that big of a deal....at all.

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You ain't got no game or skillz, but you can hate...
Ebonics just screams above average intelligence.

starang21 09-16-2006 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1321691)
Starang, I find your comments regarding the bell curve funny...especially since the comment you are agreeing with was a completely erroneous assumption.
well gee willikers, maybe if reading was fundamental you'd notice that the only comment i quoted was the one about who i went to school with. and they were at the back end of the bell curve.

AKA_Monet 09-16-2006 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1321809)
Yeah, I could take quite a bit of what was said as somewhat insulting.....nothing that I would get upset over by any means.....but still insulting.

After reading your last response.....I am somewhat interested to know what it is that you do. I don't care the least bit to search "over the years" to see what it is......something though is telling me that it really isn't that big of a deal....at all.
Well, I just have a little doctorate in molecular genetics and I have worked, and am currently working on new methods of treatment for atherosclerosis, diabetic cardiomyopathy, breast cancer in situ and progeria. My current irrelevant position is at a major university (Div IA) that has had these scientists receive these insignificant awards, I think they call them "Nobel Prizes". But I guess it "really isn't a big of deal...at all".

I guess helping large populations of people, given that heart disease is the number one killer in America "really isn't a big of a deal...at all".

I guess I should just quit because affirmative action gave me this opportunity and I am worthless because I took advangtage of this chance to succeed and be a positive contributing member of society that pays my taxes.


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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1321809)
Ebonics just screams above average intelligence.
I have strong research suggesting that I was speaking Black Vernacular English. A language separate from mainstream American English. I had to speak BVE because if you visit the neighborhoods where I have resided and spoke mainstream English, you would have been killed... You can think that my ability to cross languages quickly, such as you have incorrectly identified as "ebonics", lacks any kind of "intelligence", however my enslaved ancestors often used this mode of communication when developing the spy network in the underground railroad against the Confederacy...

So, I wonder who is less intelligent, especially when the "word on the streets" are ignored simply because it is viewed as deficient.

But hey, I am accustomed to be discounted and ruled out of the life "competition". I just dust myself off and say "bring it on..."

macallan25 09-16-2006 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1322070)
Well, I just have a little doctorate in molecular genetics and I have worked, and am currently working on new methods of treatment for atherosclerosis, diabetic cardiomyopathy, breast cancer in situ and progeria. My current irrelevant position is at a major university (Div IA) that has had these scientists receive these insignificant awards, I think they call them "Nobel Prizes". But I guess it "really isn't a big of deal...at all".

I guess helping large populations of people, given that heart disease is the number one killer in America "really isn't a big of a deal...at all".

I guess I should just quit because affirmative action gave me this opportunity and I am worthless because I took advangtage of this chance to succeed and be a positive contributing member of society that pays my taxes.




I have strong research suggesting that I was speaking Black Vernacular English. A language separate from mainstream American English. I had to speak BVE because if you visit the neighborhoods where I have resided and spoke mainstream English, you would have been killed... You can think that my ability to cross languages quickly, such as you have incorrectly identified as "ebonics", lacks any kind of "intelligence", however my enslaved ancestors often used this mode of communication when developing the spy network in the underground railroad against the Confederacy...

So, I wonder who is less intelligent, especially when the "word on the streets" are ignored simply because it is viewed as deficient.

But hey, I am accustomed to be discounted and ruled out of the life "competition". I just dust myself off and say "bring it on..."
Great, thanks for your time. I'm glad you have a doctorate. I'm happy for you. Am I blown away? No.

Actually I didn't identify it wrong saying that it was ebonics.

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African American Vernacular English (AAVE), also called African American English, Black English, Black Vernacular, or Black English Vernacular (BEV), is a type variety (dialect, ethnolect and sociolect) of the American English language. It is known colloquially as Ebonics (a portmanteau of "ebony" and "phonics").

AKA_Monet 09-17-2006 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1322086)
Great, thanks for your time. I'm glad you have a doctorate. I'm happy for you. Am I blown away? No.
Did not expect you to be blown away. I gather that you know plenty of research scientists in numerous fields. However, it seems that your exposure to "real time" highly educated African American women is extremely limited. You can think that I am not about shit and that is cool. Whatever.

But I am nearing 40 years old. I have never been pregnant. I am not struggling with some fool who has been incarcerated. And I am not a substance abuser.

I have had plenty encounters with those types of African American women. And in my Sorority and church work, I have tried to change some of these women's lives. In fact, I have had tried to change the lives of young ladies by showing them a better choice that living in destitution.

That is what I deal with constantly. And I can speak for plenty of other African American women who post here that they probably work to change the lives of those in their community, too.

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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1322086)
Actually I didn't identify it wrong saying that it was ebonics.
I need a reference, where did you get that quote?

sdsuchelle 09-17-2006 01:45 AM
I would just like to say that I HATE the term "reverse racism". Racism is racism no matter who its againwst. Reverse racism would be like... unracism, or something.

macallan25 09-17-2006 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1322095)
I need a reference, where did you get that quote?

I got that from Wikipedia. You can also go to www.cal.org.....which is the Center for Applied Linguistics, and you will find that African American Vernacular English is commonly referred to as Ebonics.


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