That depend on the contents. The Swastika is still use regulary and openly in Asian nations. There is a hotel in Bali name Swastika. So, why should a culture that have use the symbol for thousand of years be forced to stop using a symbol which they do not find offensive?

Well, apparently if the majority of people over there do not find the swastika offensive, then fine. However, from my experience, most people feel that the Confederate Flag is racially polarizing. Maybe it's because I live in California, I don't know. I just think there are better ways to display "Southern Pride" than to use a symbol that obviously makes some people uncomfortable. It's called tact.

As for a fraternity hanging the flag, I think that's even worse. As members of GLO's we are supposed to present ourselves positively, and displaying the Confederate Flag is going to give some people a negative view of the fraternity/GLO's in general. Yes, they have the right to fly the flag, but that doesn't mean it's smart.

who are you to say its wrong??

....I agree with him though. People throw around the term racist and bigot on this board more than anything I have ever seen. Its borderline completely ridiculous.

I agree with you, just wanted to set the record straight that in some part of the world, swastika is not considered an offensive symbol, while other part it is.

Don't worry about who I am. I said it's wrong because I can.

You have a very valid point about GLOs flying that rebel flag, but some frats are just plain ignorant. GLOs like that can't help but to be ignorant. You gotta let an idiot be an idiot.

You speak of ignorance and idiacy, but it is you who refuse to believe that anyone is entitled to a different opinion that yours.

Funny how Lincoln started the war on much the same premise as you now spout.

Could there be or may there be a difference between ( private ) opinions/beliefs/thoughts and actions/statements?


And between actions/statements one makes as a person ( for themselves ) vs. what may be taken as a group?

And can opinions/beliefs be wrong in the general sense of things, society, law, public values, scientific studies et al.

A person does have a right to their own beliefs but when they start acting on them, spreading them..........Sort of like crying Fire........

oh...ok



idiot.

I am absolutely entitled to it. Oh, and I'm not sure if someone has mentioned this to you before, but just because you think something is wrong, doesn't make it so. Especially when you have no backing to support your position.

As a black person from the south, I don't really pay much attention to that flag. I see it on a regular basis. Depending on where you are from, you may see a few black people flying the flag. I don't neccessarily believe you are racist if you fly the flag, but most of my white friends that fly the flag have told me that they were taught as a child that white people were better than all other races. Also, for the record, white people are not the only ones that can have conservative beliefs or not support affirmative actions. I don't think anyone equates being conservative with being racist. When you go to extreme measures to prove you are southern and conservative (fit in) that people believe you are racist.

This makes no sense, and the little sense I can get from it is wrong.

You're saying that I can think whatever I want, but it's morally wrong for me to voice my opinion or act on my opinion? Please explain to me how voicing an opinion that I hold true is equivilent to yelling something I know is not true simply to elicit a violent response. Or do you think I'm lying about what I've said so far, simply to watch you trample the old lady in the front row?

Lets put this into a work or business situation:
You see a good looking Man/Woman and think that to your self. Fine.
However if you say something to them about it, you will be spending quality time with HR dept.

For the other part, how hard it is to follow? If one is ID'ed as a member of a group, would a action that they did be looked as an activity of their own or of the group? Many not be correct, but how many times does that happen?

Read my note again....

That's a completely different situation. I have the right to say what I want, when I want on a social level, whereas when you start working for a company, they make you agree to the sexual harrasment policies of the company. Your comparison is only valid if I have previously promised not to express opinions that differ from others', which I, nor anyone, has done. Thus, your comparison is not valid.

I disagree with your comment/belief. Situation is always there, wether or not in "writing". Just about everything one does and says in front of more than one person (themselves) is a going to have some sort of impact on others. Impact may be positive, negitive or just what ever....

Give some thought about it: Things you have done or said to others and how they reacted or things that others have said or done to you......for me does not take much thought to bring up some good examples....

wow..........you put a lot of thought into that one didnt you?

Please don't claim to speak for white people. Those things get annoying for YOU.

LOL. Your funny. Ignorant, but funny.

This is quickly becoming a waste of my time.

You win. You're right. Things do things. I give up.

I guess I'll have to be happy just knowing that no one will ever have to listen to you try to explain chaos theory.

This board is the very explaination of chaos.....LOLBEG

Is that you begging someone to laugh at your stupid joke?

B.E.G=Big Evil Grin ;>D
I hope you know what LOL means........:) :D

I laughed. ;)

This thread is interesting but also crazy.

As for symbols...

My email has "saltire" in it because it is the name for the flag of Scotland, and I have Scottish ancestors...and I am very very far from a racist. So, it really depends on who is using something, and what they are using it for.

The Nazis turned a symbol into a symbol for hate, yet many places you go in Asia still have that symbol prominently featured.

It's about how you use a symbol, and whether you are intentionally trying to hurt someone.

Now, that does NOT mean you go around saying the N word to Black people and mean it "with love", because you are directly engaging that individual with a term that his considered hateful.

Does that make any sense?

A lot of (white) people feel that programs designed to level the playing field are "racist." That belief is based on a lack of social consciousness and tendency for some (white) people to feel as though many resources BELONG to "THEM." Thus when these resources are redistributed, many (white) people feel slighted rather than feeling that these resources belong to SOCIETY. But it isn't really about white people vs. black people. It's about power dynamics and how majority groups in power perceive threat to their opportunity and resource hoarding.

You DO need a lecture on it because you are doing the very same thing that people on the board do to you. You don't know what "racism" is just like many of your accusers don't know what "racism" is. This doesn't mean that you aren't racist but before I would call you a "racist" I would just call you "socially ignorant." Having a differing opinion is fine but the foundation for your opinions tends to be logically flawed and supported by both a covertly and overtly supremacist ideology.

I know that Conservative is not synonymous with bigot. I do not subscribe to most political categories and labels but I consider myself to be more Conservative than Liberal with exception for certain social welfare programs. However, Conservatives created and perpetuated the label of bigot and racist for themselves many years ago. They allowed the bigots and racists to be their most vocal representatives.

Everyone's entitled to having an opinion because opinions are like assholes. Now that we've overstated the obvious, it is important to note that we are talking about social phenomena here. Since you are probably not as well-read as others on these topics, I expect for you to expouse your viewpoints and stand behind them faithfully regardless of any "evidence" to the contrary.

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