But, isn't that unlikely? Unless you came from a totally "holy" background, you probably have been exposed to all types of drinkers.

Yeah, I don't really think that's his excuse/reasoning for feeling the way that he does. I was just addressing your question w/regards to Droefille's post.

I meant to say the people who ONLY drink to get trashed.

He could have grown up with non-drinkers and went to school where his roommates, friends, etc turned out to be the "I got so drunk I made out with a 40 year old guy in the bar... where's the keyhole?" "um, that's the wall.. and it's 4:30 in the afternoon." kind of people. I know a few myself.

Laughing because I know people exactly like this.

Worst is when that person was supposed to be sober for an event... that evening.

She spent a bit of time swinging around a tree while we waited for the bus...

Yes, but if you only KNOW how to drink to get trashed, and can't have just a drink with dinner, or A beer at the bar, that's a pretty good indicator of a problem.

True. Maybe he goes to CU Boulder, LOL.

Yes. And apparently he can tell the difference between vodka on the rocks and water. Crazy.

Clearly...and don't let her have a glass of wine. That's just down right sloppy. :rolleyes:

Why do I get the feeling that if a girl he was with did order wine, it would be White Zin???

There's nothing wrong with White Zin.

I wish I had more free time during the day to respond to what a lot of people are saying. I believe some said that in the long run I would not want to date a woman who drink because the occassional compassionate reminders would turn into nagging...no it wouldn't. Even though there are a set of standards that I hold for what the perfect women for me is, I'm not out here trying to find a "perfect woman" because 9 times out of ten she's not going to it. All I'm saying is that I understand some people are different and I wouldn't let the fact that she occassional drink get stop me from dating her...especially if I really liked her. The same goes for sex. And I don't understand why with a lot of people that are responding on here, why they couldn't get over the someone NOT doing those things. As far as the people I hang out with it varies...Non drinkers, social drinkers, alcholics....I'm just trying to figure out what's so damn good about alcohol. Personal, I've tried it various times at a very young age and I never liked the stuff. Whether it was something fruity or something as strong as Jack Daneils. It's just as self destructive as drugs, smoking and hoing in my opinion.

So basically you started this thread for reinforcement, so people here could pat you on the back and applaud your morals?? If you don't want to be with a woman who smokes, drinks, or has sex, that's your choice. What difference does it make if someone who does smoke, drink or have sex finds you lame, if you don't want to be with them anyway??

It makes me smarter, funnier and better looking.

-RC
--"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." (Sometimes also quoted as '... wants us to prosper'.)

I thought it made OTHER people better looking...

Goggles!

But that doesn't mean there aren't people out there that enjoy these things. Just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it wrong.

Cheers chica! I'ma a White Zin fan as well.

I like it and all, but I would never order it in a business situation or other "sophisticated" setting. If nothing else, I'll order the house blush if I'm in the mood for something like that.

First,

Then,

Are you confused? You're flip flopping from "These issues are too important to me, and I can't really see myself letting them slide, but maybe." to "Yeah, it's cool. To each their own."

Like I said...this thread is designed for reinforcement, and that is good proof. "Please tell me how awesome I am because I have superior morals."

I wonder if he also was hoping to find a nice 19-year-old Amish girl fresh from rumspringa who spent the past year drinking and now sees the error of her ways and by the way is really, really hot but totally waiting for the right guy before she'll have actual sex who would, like, PM him and they could go on a date to the soda fountain where they might, like, hold hands, teehee!

He could have dated my roommate from freshman year...but only Sun-Thur. Those were here "born again Christian" days...Fri & Sat someone carried her home from the parties. But hey, there's always bible study, that makes a great Wed. night date.

Holding hands before marriage is sinful. You could get a nail fungus that way.

And definitely don't kiss her...she could get pregnant, or get an S...I mean KTD.

I read most of this thread, and the short answer is AKΨ_BRO@DSU, it is incredibly lame. I also find it funny that you "try to be different," I find it pathetic that you try to be different. Why don't you just be yourself and if you're different then you're different, and if not, then don't. Also, I would never date a girl that doesn't drink, or have sex. Furthermore, at some point you'll have to find yourself a virgin because you're going to suck so much and a relatively experienced person will know it and be turned off, while the virgin won't have anything to compare to. Good luck in life.

Aww, JD isn't that strong if you have some experience. It's actually quite smooth when served on the rocks, or even neat.

If he can't handle Pucker, I doubt he could handle Jack.

Jack is good, but beam and coke is far better for those hot days in the football stadium.

If I ever see a black man at a bar shying away from girls and not drinking, I know it will be this guy here.

What I'm saying is that I'm always going to hold the standard that I prefer a woman who doesn't drink and hasn't had a whole lot of sexual partners but I won't totally just not give the girl a chance because she not what I usually prefer. If I like her for who she is but I just don't like something she does, then I would still give her a chance.It doesn't mean that now I prefer women that drink, but it means something about her out wieghs that particular standard that I have. She would have to be an exceptional person in my point of view.

It doesn't really matter, its how I wanted to start off this debate. Also this kinda just give me a general feel for what type of people post on this site...therefore now I know what types of topics to talk about and what topics may turn the mass majority off.

For example, I may not drink, but I would date a girl that drinks socially because I respect the fact that we are different however, I would tell her occasionally out of compassion that I don't like it because the overall negative affects it can have on her and its just a really unattractive look for her when she does it. Sure I would be happy if she found the rational to stop but if she didn't the only thing that I would do is pray that it doesn't affect her too bad in the future.

As I said earlier, the attitude and reasoning behind the decisions would matter more to me than the decisions themselves. The "compassionate nagging" and the "I'll pray for you" attitude are MUCH MUCH bigger turnoffs to me than the fact that a guy doesnt drink. I'd prefer a guy whose drinking habits matched my own, but if they didn't it wouldn't be a dealbreaker - an attitude like this, however, would be.

I'm not saying it's "wrong" or "bad" to have that perspective, and I'm sure there are girls out there who who prefer a preachy guy who shares their values, but I personally would run far far away.

How is it preachy? That's like with any couple...one half may have an annoying habit that the other particularly doesn't like and vise versa. But they live with it just as long as it doesn't get out of control. Nothing is wrong with tellin the other person, you don't like it...not to preach to them but actually to let them know that you care enough about them that you wouldn't want something bad to result from the habit. So like I said, it comes from caring about the person and not imposing "your will" on them.

This isn't really comparable to something like leaving the toliet seat up (which can be an annoying habit).

Drinking in moderation (i.e. a glass of wine with dinner) has actually been proven to have health BENEFITS. So maybe she should tell you how concerned she is about you because you don't drink anything.

And It also weakens your immune system. It does more negative than positive to the human body. That's an indisputible fact and REALLY none of the people who have posted prior to this one has said, "I drink to stay healthy".

You're going to have problems in relationships if you take this attitude. You need to go into a relationship w/someone who you accept as they are. If you can not date them w/o wanting them to change in some way, then you need to find someone else.

I think there are even more reasons for considering someone "lame" and not dating them besides not drinking, no sex and no drugs.

Because this thread is not about justifying why we drink, but rather to answer your original question of do we think that you are/aren't lame. That has already been answered. No one needs to explain their preferences to you, but you do need to fully understand and accept your preferences/standards & their consequences. You seem to be the one looking for validation.

I don't view drinking as something as part of a person's personality. It's possbile to expect a person for who they are...good and bad. Nobody is going to be exactly how you want them to be. No one is perfect and there for you have to except them for there perks and their faults.

I drink to stay mentally healthy. So do all the people who call Lawyers Helping Lawyers. ;)

LOL!