Re: Re: Re: And the Blackest Chi Omega Award Goes To...
 

Me, too! Reading is FUNDAMENTAL.

Anywho, I don't know who thought this was cute or funny :rolleyes: but this smacks of the Pike or other frat parties where the guys dressed as 'ghetto'. I feel that Hip Hop and the commercialization of Black culture has led some people to think that this type of behavior is acceptable.

....and he is so articulate,too, right?

You're an angry fella. You need a hug.

-Rudey

I don't know about other GLO's, but I know that community service is an essential part in BGLO's.

To stop a BGLO from doing any community service is to stop the members from doing what they made a solemn vow to do, be active members in their communities and serve others.

So more community service would not be seen as "punishment" if one of the reasons people join an organization is to do their part in making the world a better place, even if it's just the world outside their back doors or the world on and off their college campuses. To do more to help others would not be a bad thing for a GLO, at least I don't think it should be seen as something negative.


And as for my feelings on this situation...words cannot describe how deplorable this is. Just when you think we've made leaps and bounds as a society to remove ourselves from such thinking, we get slapped further behind.

:confused:

First, I am not sure which race or who coined that the Black neighborhoods were ghettos. What a far cry from where it originally came from! The Jewish Ghettos in Warsaw(was it not?) where the Jews were forced to live in far below sub-standard conditions until they led the revolt. I've never figured out Southern dislike for Jews, probably because I've never met one.

Second, the Black commercialization of "poor culture" is the one thing which keeps African-American issues in the spotlight, and what seems to be the only way. It has used the race card before but it highlights problems within the black community without using it for the most part. The vocal Black leaders such as Sharpton and Jackson cannot highlight black problems without playing the race card.

Both.

What's worse than one dead baby nailed to a tree?
One dead baby nailed to ten trees

What's worse than a hundred dead babies in the back of a dump truck?
One eating it's way to the top.

She's not a fella, but that's okay.

You know, YOU.ARE.ONE.SICK.AZZ. Rudey's joke about the dead baby in the blender was weird, but this definitely takes the cake. :eek:

I think the actual situation is very interesting. I am sure they did not mean what they said...I believe it isn't cool what they did, but honestly, you think they used ghetto, would people get made: YES.

I feel the organization is very sorry and realized it was a great mistake, I feel it isn't an offence to get them kicked off campus or suspended from social events. I feel the root of this is them not knowing the actually issue. If the lady was really offended, she should explain to them why the award is wrong. All this is creating a bigger gap between GLO and BGLO

I'm not gonna lie. I laughed. I'm still kinda giggling right now actually. Like a baby!

-Rudey
--But not a dead baby because they don't giggle.

Uh, no. The original ghetto was in Venice and was established in the sixteenth century. The Warsaw Ghetto was established by the Nazis.

From the example of the original European ghettos, the word came to mean a part of a city in which members of a minority group live, often without much choice, especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure.
Any further comment on my part would be superfluous.

Who else like http://hotghettomess.com/?

And this is the origin of the word ghetto: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto

-Rudey

Dead babies only giggle in your dreams.

haha
Dead baby and chuck norris jokes are the best.

And you are an ignorant fella. You need a kick in the ..., oops, I am to much of a LADY to use that kind of language. ;)

OK there you go again with the anger. I'm telling you they have these cuddle parties all over the place. You just go in and people hold you and you hold them. I think it's what you need bro.

-Rudey

Only in my mojado dreams.

-Rudey

Rudey,

Please get help. For the sake of your loved ones. Please get help.

Shoot. Did I get carried away again? I do that sometimes. I mean as soon as the topic of dead babies comes up I always end up looking crazy.

-Rudey
--It's the stress :(

"Ghetto" historically means nothing more than a neighborhood consisting of one ethnicity. There are Jewish ghettos, Italian ghettos, Black ghettos, etc. Some of these neighborhoods are characterized by poverty, degradation, and stigma. This is how the phrase "ghetto" became a negative associated with particular groups.

As was stated previously in this thread, it isn't what these words REALLY mean as much as it is what people THINK these words mean and what images come to mind when they think up qualifications to win these awards. If a "most ghetto" award is nothing more than a cover-up for a "most wanna-be black person" award then that's easily offensive. Things do not have to be overt in the form of minstrel shows for people to be able to grasp the point, although some GLO chapters have also condoned the modern day equivalent of minstrel shows.

Lastly, please refrain from speaking on "African American issues" and the "Black community" until you have demonstrated a well-read and well-articulated ability to approach this issue from more than ONE angle (i.e. the ridiculously named "race card").

Indeed.

Chaos, I love how you have the ability to turn a slurr against whites into an insult against blacks. Bravo! Really, I admire your skill.

Either you can form an argument to substantively contest my statement or you can remain on the sidelines in admiration. ;)

Is that what she did? :confused: I interpreted her post to mean that the slur against White folx is just as offensive and stupid.

I am not surprised by this incident at all. White privledge is ever prevelant in our society, people just refuse to realize it. Here's my take...

As a White Anglo Saxon Protestant male from an upper middle class to upper class family, I was not exposed to people of many different ethnicities as a kid. I went to a private middle school, where people of color were few and far between. It wasn't until I got to my predominantly white Boarding School that I was exposed to other cultures, through the taking of Chinese.

Yet, I am in an Asian American fraternity, and almost all of my friends are either Black, Latino, or Asian. I see people from many different "groups" always making stereotypes about people in other groups. Everyone is making stereotypes in some form or another. The reality is, if you are white, you have a LOT more privledges just because of how you look. If you are a man, you have still even more. Throw in the religious and ethnic part of it, and you're at the top of the societal "food-chain" that is the world today.

It's a hard concept for many white people to understand. I know it was for me. I couldn't fathom white privledge until my Greek big sis (who is an AKA and is like incredibly socially aware) explained it to me. If you don't have to worry about acting a certain way just to be accepted, just to be able to get by in life, then life is a lot easier. But because of pride, or because of ignorance or whatever, it is tough for many white people or men, or anyone in any majority to accept.

My point is this. The ONLY way we as a society or as individuals can overcome these things is by opening our minds and hearts and ears and learn about other people and their experiences. IF we were to do this, we would realize that we all have a lot more in common than we do differences. It's just that we associate with people we feel more comfortable with. For me, I feel more comfortable around people who care about race and ethnic issues. The reality is, that most of the time those people will be people of color, because they HAVE to care about it, because they LIVE it every single day.

Every day I hear different groups of friends make some comment or something that bothers me. Usually its about a perception of a different ethnicity or race. Sure, those comments might be made in jest, but the reality is they are much more complicated than that. I hear friends of one ethnicity or race saying "Why can't we be united as that (insert X minority group here) group?" And then another group will say the same thing. Everyone is saying we have to take care of ourselves first, for many different reasons.

Obviously, I have a different perspective on taking care of one's own group than many because I have the luxury of not being followed when I go into stores, people not assuming that I can't speak English and speaking very slow to me, or people assuming that I am an illgeal immigrant. At the same time, as big of problems as these things are, and indeed they are HUGE issues that must be faced, we all have to take a step outside ourselves and realize that other people face similar issues, and other people have stereotypes. The ONLY way these will be broken is by educating others about those stereotypes. It all comes through friendships and talking to others. That is the way that we all must go about it if we are going to change things. Don't avoid someone just because they are X ethnicity or race. Get out of your comfort zone and into other people's worlds, because at the end of the day, it is the right thing to do.

/end rant/preaching

^^^^ hear, hear!

if that's what you got from it, i question your school's admission process.

And there you have it.

;)

just as we settle down...
 

yes, just as we begin to get civil some pissed off folks get all bent
out of shape, start whining again. We owe no one a living. I am
so damned sick of the mis-playing of the race card...

Well alright now!! :)

eddie murphy
 

eddie murphy, one of my favorite comedians, said
"You know, caucasians don't have no lips"
He went on and wondered how we ate ribs.
Gosh, I never thought of it, but perhaps I need to join a
multi-cultural group to be enlightened.
I guess I could have got my panties all in a wad over this, but
I thought Murphy's comment was funny.
Chill.

You missed the point of her post. She was saying that blacks (or anyone for that matter) who condone the usage of insulting phrases like "white men can't jump" or "white men can't dance" are also foolishly condoning stereotypes that infer the reverse. Ultimately the use of any of these phrases is just a display of ignorance all around.

Everyone can find something to be insulted over. It can be sexual, as bible thumpers only want their kids to listen to music from Christian artists, it can be over violence, or it can be race.

I'm sure in one way or another people can consider you ignorant as well.

Most of us laugh along with Dave Chapelle when he makes jokes about race. How this is different? How is it different from calling Wayne Brady really white or having Negrodamus giving people advice?

If these comedians are all ignorant, then why aren't there massive protests against them from the black community?

Here is a sampling of Negrodamus' jokes (played by Paul Mooney):

Q: Negrodamus, will Arnold Schwarzenegger ever divorce his wife?

N: Yes, Arnold Schwarzenegger will divorce his wife and marry Shirley Temple Black, and she will be called Shirley Temple Black-Negger.

Q: Negrodamus, will Arsenio Hall ever have a show again?

N: Yes. Arsenio Hall will have a new show called "Good Morning, Black America". It will be played at noon throughout the country.

Q: Why do white people like Wayne Brady so much?

N: White people love Wayne Brady because he makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X.

-Rudey

The remainder of this thread will be about nitpicking and highlighting every single hypocrisy and doublestandard that can possibly be found, instead of seeing the general point and applying it to the specific.

Hey guess what people? A black person had something to do with it.

"A group of black students met Thursday with sorority members, who said the award was meant as a joke and was the idea of just a few students, including the black date of the recipient.

He said his date received the award because she was motherly and nurturing"

So aside from the fact that it wasn't meant to be offensive, aside from the fact that most people laugh at jokes by guys like Dave Chapelle that are about how white someone is, this joke was created in part by a black guy.

-Rudey
--Who knew jokes could be this funny?

The participation of one black person doesn't change anything. It means the black participant is an eager-to-please, socially unconscious idiot. The people who allowed the award to be presented are insensitive fools who let their stupidity trump their organization's best interest, as well as their social obligation.

Mothering and nurturing = the most motherly and nuturing award

Since they are saving face, they could've said that she was one of the FEW black people who attends their events and they wanted to poke fun at themselves for not being able to garner the attention of the black student population. Only then could they have sold me a bridge for $5.

Then he's stupid, too. For more reasons than one.

Please read what Rudey posted again. The woman's DATE was black and a man. SHE is not one of the few black women they have attracted. I also don't think they are trying to "save face" or "poke fun" because they don't attract the black students. That's simply the way it is with Kent NPC and it's campus - as we ALL know it is at MOST campuses.

ALSO, it was the DATE who said the mothering and nurturing part, NOT the sisters involved. Please direct the annoyance with the phrase to the correct party.

How about most black comedians out there, and the millions of black fans that they have, that laugh along to racial jokes?

Obviously Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and the D9 and whomever else are not making the news with talk about punishing these comedians.

I wonder why.

Well perhaps given that these comedians make jokes, it's harmless - sorta like this situation with a joke prize that was partly thought up by a black student. It may be "stupid" to you, but stupidity is subjective I guess.

-Rudey

Would you care to elucidate your response to my quesitons on this issue? I think I made a cogent effort at inquiry, and got a pretty flippant response . . . I don't expect you to respond to douche bags like the poster you're responding to above, but I was genuinely curious, as I've never in my life heard that parsing before.

ETA: I understand Marie's point, that condoning stereotypes for whites has an implicit (even explicit) effect on stereotypes for other races as well, but I'm not speaking that generally.

And so should they - just because one person of a darker hue (and I will refrain from calling them black b/c a black person with any self awareness and self respect will not allow others to poke jokes, in jest, at the expense of his/her people) condone such ignorant behavior does NOT justify or make the joke" appropriate.

Moreover, re: black comics - I say this - black comics poking fun at things that happen in the black community when addressing a prodominantly black audience is synonymous with a red neck poking fun at rednecks, and you poking fun and cracking jokes WITHIN THE CONFINES OF FAMILY, at a relative. You don't see a problem - within the family- with the joke, but NO outsider is able to follow suit . . . same thing.