Sounds like a Jerry S Moment, YaYaDa!:eek:

Fit is going to hit the shan soon!:rolleyes:

Now, I think it is Car. No Cent. Un who are raising Hell as the DA was there promoting His Point of view for the Public and pushing His Agenda!:confused: :(

What a Dick Wad!:mad:

Prosecute in The Media and Not The Court!

The Local DA is going to the Grand Jury on this situatin!

Great, The defense cannot call Defense witnesses!

What A Dick! Election Time in The South!

Her Daddy says She is a good girl and doesnt do things like this!:(

What a suck Political thing this seems to becoming!

2 duke players indicted by grand jury.

A grand jury issued sealed indictments Monday against two members of the Duke University lacrosse team in connection with allegations that a stripper was raped last month at a team party, NBC News’ Dan Abrams reported, citing two unnamed defense sources.

The charges against the two players are unclear, Abrams reported.

The grand jury adjourned for two weeks without issuing any public indictments.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12289760

I question this whole situation, but especially the IDs that were made...I mean you give me a month and I bet I will be able to pick out members of the Duke Lacrosse team

Driving back to school from Easter today, I listened to almost three hours on ESPN radio of stuff covering this case. They had three federal prosecutors on the show and all of them agreed that the indictments were perpetuated by Nifong's reelection campaign and that it would be next to impossible to convict anyone of anything. Granted, they said it was not unusual for a month to pass before starting a rape trial. The DNA results were damaging and they also said that the fact that this would be the word of 46 people against 1 stripper could be a determinant. They also said that the Defense would most likely call for a polygraph for the stripper, but that the results would probobly not get released to the public due to ethical issues.

2 Duke players have been arrested

The prosecutor says he wants to charge one more player.

By now, both of the players indicted have posted $400,000 bond according to accounts.

One defense attorney says his client wasn't even at the party at the time of the alleged crime.

This could be really instructional to watch...

The word on the street...
 

I think the issue is that North Carolina is more incendiary than say, Los Angeles... A crazy bunch of mo'fo's from DC Metro like taking a hop, skip and a romp through Duke, just to take that place down...

And the word on the street is that Durham has no love for Duke and is more than happy to kick folks around...

Thus, the saying goes for rich spoiled kids at Duke...

And remember Duke is not far from Atlanta or DC and there are powerhouses in either of those locations...

And the poverty is high outside of Duke... Folks are more than happy to look the other way when the pimps roll up... It will be gangland style...

The reason why it won't be like that in LA ever again--'cuz 3 strikes works... How did you think the souf got so "dirty"?

And the rappers are hard at work with their music videos... I just saw a political commentary video of Katrina by somebody... I don't even know the little boys name... All I know he has one of those jacked up grillz...

Isnt it though!:mad:

This dillwad DA is up for Re-Election and seems to be basing everything on this case.:mad:

What is really Sad, is a Grand Jury Hears only From The Prosecuting Attorney of I am Going To Screw You! No Defense response by anyone as dictated via law.

So, it boils down to No Defense for an Indictment for those young men.

If, it is proved wrong by any actual Proof, I hope they stick it in this ass wholes rear so far that He is buried! This case is and has been tried in the Media and Public Oppinion!:mad:

It sounded like the defense attorneys for the guys were extremely confident.

The law doesn't dictate that a grand jury hear from the defense, Tom. Never has. The purpose of the grand jury is to determine if the prosecution has enough evidence to bring charges. If there is enough evidence to bring charges, which is not the same as enough evidence to convict, then an indictment is issued stating the charges (giving the defendant notice of what the actual charges are so that the defense can prepare to respond to those specific charges) and the case goes to trial. Trial is where the defense makes its case.

Especially in saying that one or both of them weren't even at the party at the time of the alleged assault/rape.

This could also help explain the 'close-to-the-vest' nature of the team, in doing what some were calling 'protecting their own' - information of this type (which they're saying includes a charge receipt), if it were a surprise to the DA, would be hugely damaging to the cases against the OTHER players.

Now, compare this to that retard Nancy Grace, who flipped out last night about the one player waiving his right to an arraignment (since, after all, if he's innocent he should be "shouting "NOT GUILTY" to the court every chance (he) could get" . . . obv) - it appears there has been at least some strategy developed. Very interesting.

Re: The word on the street...
 

Sistergreek, what in the samhell are you typing about?

Re: Re: The word on the street...
 

You're funny...

So, from what I've read and seen on TV and based on what folks have written on this thread and others, folks may think that the DA is going after this case because he is trying to be re-elected and he probably is...

But my question in the back of my mind (and you know how that works), is why in the hayle the DA would risk his re-election campaign of the sucessful prosecution of alleged Duke Lacrosse players who raped an African American stripper with poor DNA evidence?

And the best answer I can come up with: that area near Duke is about to blow up and damn near dangerous. Especially since I heard some folks were planning "drive by shootings". And the only folks I know who do that on a daily basis are the fools up in L.A.

So, hey, the city let that area get to that point and it will be another hot summer when the chit hits the fan...

And don't tell me you cannot see this powder keg from a mile away...

Maybe I'm just too paranoid... But the fires been lit... It'll be another Katrina Biatch-slappin'...

And I ain't 'bout to sing "we shall overcome" for nobody...

Re: Re: Re: The word on the street...
 

I seriously was not following you and this post is only slightly more coherent. :)

Don't believe everything you hear. There will be no rioting, massive gang warfare, or anything that the media would love to see.

How the hell do you know that? I have family that lives in Pinehurst.....and my uncle does surgeries and orthopedic lectures at Duke all of the time......he has also said very similar things pertaining to the violence that could escalate.

Re: Re: Re: Re: The word on the street...
 

I'm not sure where that came from, but I don't know of any member of the media who would want to see any of the above. Those of us who have covered riots, etc. don't want to be anywhere close to them.

We've been around too much gunfire and tear gas.

Well, maybe FOX. Geraldo thrives on that stuff -- just don't mess up his hair.

DSTChaos is right, I believe. Durham does have its share of violent crimes -- there have been some drive-by shootings and some shootings on city buses in recent years, and these have given Durham the reputation for being a dangerous place, especially in the minds of those who live near but not in Durham. The reality, however, is more along the lines of Durham being a place with some violence but also with very, very strong community action and citizen involvement.

But as with all cities, some places are more dangerous than others, and the vicinity around Duke, including Trinity Park where "the house" is, is not among the more dangerous areas of Durham. I would expect to see the vast majority of people of Durham, which tends to be a fairly liberal city overall, expressing their feelings about what is going in through organized protests, vigils, and the like.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The word on the street...
 

It makes for great television and news shows live off of this stuff, whether reporters want to be there or not. There ARE reporters who would love to be there, by the way.

Because I'm psychic and I don't care about your uncle.

Right.

It's pretty quiet around here and there has been little fuss outside of scattered acts and protests.

However, if the media and individuals INSIST that there will be largescale violence, some attention whores will definitely decide to give them what they're looking for. The gangs and vigilantes are a concern that the Durham PD is preparing to address if need be.

I don't expect you too. He just lives very close and has said very similar things about what could happen.

On a side note.....The two guys were suspended from Duke until the matter is resolved. Trial may not start for over a year.

Re: Re: Re: Re: The word on the street...
 

I agree.

About Durham
 

Someone just skooled me about North Carolina...

Now I see why the media said some of its comments.

DSTChaos, you're right: "Don't believe the hype"...

Still begs the question why this DA would stake his campaign re-election prosecuting some rich white boys on rape charges of a black stripper. Yeah, I may think they did it and are guilty as sin. But why would the DA give a fcuk? 'Specially in Durham?

Just asking?

Re: About Durham
 

I can think of several possible reasons...

>He really believes these guys are guilty.
>He took an oath and because of the above wants to uphold it.
>He wants to prove that he's the champion of the downtrodden.
>He doesn't like rich people.
>He loves to see his name in the newspaper.
>He loves to see his face on TV.
>He has an electorial death wish.
>He wants to run for governor.
>He's a slum lord and wants to buy that ugly little house.
>He likes exotic dancers.
>He was cut by the Duke LAX team.
>He played LAX for the University of Maryland.
>He really does have a much better case than it appears.
>He thinks he has a better case than he does.
>He's really stupid.

I'm sure there are others.

Re: Re: About Durham
 

The trial may not finish before his election is over so the results won't matter, but he needs to look decisive in the meantime?

-Rudey

Re: Re: About Durham
 

You're special. :p

Re: Re: About Durham
 

Hee :D

Re: About Durham
 

FWIW, it's not a re-election campaign, it's his first campaign. The elected DA was appointed a judge and the current DA, a career ADA, was appointed to finish out his term. This is his first election.

Re: Re: Re: About Durham
 

Definitely won't. He is running in a primary with 2 opponents. The primary is in early May, so one of the 3 will no longer be running one month from now.

Re: Re: About Durham
 

So why do they keep saying its a re election campaign on TV.

Re: Re: Re: About Durham
 

Ignorance? Assuming that because he's in office now it must be a re-election campaign? Not paying attention or doing the research? Not caring enough to get it right? Not letting facts get in the way of opinion? Repeating a mistake they heard from someone else?

Take your pick. And take it into consideration in giving credence to anything else the talking heads are saying.

Probably because he is!!!!!!!

www.mikenifong.com

Mike Nifong was appointed to District Attorney for Durham by Governor Mike Easley a year ago. It is traditionaly an elected position, the Democratic Primary is May 2, 2006 (less than a month away).

Yes, which means he is running for election (as it says on the website), not re-election.

It is an elected position, but Nifong was appointed to fill the unexpired term of the former (elected) DA, who was appointed to the Superior Court bench.

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Chill out...holy shit. I just didn't expect MSNBC, Fox News, etc. etc. to get that wrong.

Furthermore, he was appointed, yes...which means he holds the position. He is running for the position again...so there really is nothing wrong with calling it a re-election. I really don't know why you insist on arguing the topic.

Just saw on msnbc that one of the guys the stripper identified as a rapist (Seligmann I think was his name) allready has ATM records, cab records, cell phone calls, and dorm card swipe records that pretty much completely clear him of any wrongdoing because he was nowhere near the house at the time of the "rape".

Wasn't the stripper absolutely positive these two guys were the rapists?

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: About Durham
 

Don't worry, I'm chill. It's not so much that I insist on arguing, but like you I would like to think that national (and local) news organizations would get it right, although experience consistently seems to be teaching me otherwise. He is running for the position for the first time. You can't be re-elected unless you have already been elected once, which he hasn't.

I think the fact that he hasn't previously been elected is relevant in this case. He has a career DA background, but not a political background. I suspect that had he run for election before, and had he had a better firsthand understanding of not only the legal side but the political side of being the DA, he might have been more circumspect in how he handled the case from the beginning. I doubt we would have seen all of the interviews early on. There would have been a lot of "no comments on a pending investigation."

Speculation on my part, of course, but's it's why I (and many of my collegues at the bar) think that fact that he has never been elected before has some bearing on the way this case has unfolded.

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Just saw on msnbc that one of the guys the stripper identified as a rapist (Seligmann I think was his name) allready has ATM records, cab records, cell phone calls, and dorm card swipe records that pretty much completely clear him of any wrongdoing because he was nowhere near the house at the time of the "rape". Wasn't the stripper absolutely positive these two guys were the rapists?

A lot depends on exactly how the timeline can be established, but he does seem to have a very good alibi. The cab driver has accurate records of pick-up, drop-off etc., and can positively identify Seligmann as one of the guys he picked up.

The accuser didn't make the identifications until a few weeks ago -- 3 or 4 weeks after the alleged incident. Many questions are also being raised about how the photo identification was conducted, and whether it was conducted in a prejudicial way.

Yeah, the timeline they had on TV seemed pretty conclusive. All the phone calls and transactions were in order and the cab driver was able to identify.

I remember hearing a little bit about the photo ID and how it may have been conducted wrong. If I remember right, I think they said that there were no added photos of people not at the party or something like that.....so she could have easily just picked two random guys. I may be wrong, it was a week or two ago.

From what I have heard, she was just shown pictures of the LAX team.

The proper procedure, as I understand it, is that she should have been shown a picture of a suspect, mixed in with the pictures of 7 or so other people who resemble the suspect. And she should have beens shown these pictures one at a time.

You are correct.

The way they handled this was extremely prejudicial.