Well to me southern greek life isn't about not giving a crap, but just not caring about trends, and what people unimportant to you may criticize. Hence sticking with the classics when it comes to clothing, and acting in the way we were raised, which usually includes keeping your character above reproach and conservative values.

There's a difference between having a problem with something, and thinking it's stupid. I don't have a problem with guys wearing croakies, I just think it's kind of stupid.

Do I have a problem with you not bidding a black/Asian/homosexual person because you don't like them? No. Do I have a problem with you not bidding them even if you do like them simply because they're black/Asian/homosexual? Yes.

As far as "keeping your character above reproach and conservative values," I must have missed the fratty posts that celebrate those. They must be hidden between the threads entitled "N _ _ _ _ _ Joke of the Day" and "Birth Control and C _ _ - In Or Out?"

Ho-lee shit. If that's what southern Greek life vindicates, I'm sure as hell glad I'm on the west coast :eek:

Thats what I usually wear in the summer, khakis with a polo or oxford w/brown leather belt . I also have a bad flip-flop fetish( I have about 6 pairs of sandals) but where I'm from only lesbians/hippies wear birks.

I too am glad you are on the west coast. Also, in regards to who we give bids to, I disagree somewhat. I don't really come across many minorities at my school that would really fit in in my fraternity. Most black students at my school are generally part of popular black culture, and that doesn't work for us. However, I'm pretty sure our preppy white southern culture doesn't really work for most of them either. I'm not sure what would happen if we were approached by a minority who would be a good fit, because it hasn't happened since I've been here. Actually, I don't believe any minority has attempted to rush my fraternity during my tenure. That aside, I would have a problem with bidding a gay person. I'm sure there will be reactions such as "not all gay guys are attracted to all other guys" and I'm positive that is true. That being said, it would make the large majority of my fraternity uncomfortable, and would go against the ideals of my fraternity, and the faith of most of the brotherhood. Unfortunately, like I said, many on this board would probably consider me a racist and a homophobe, despite the legitimacy and logic of my reasoning.

sup dude? how you doin?


eta: quoted, juuuuuuust so you don't go around editing it

That's kinda brokeback.

-Rudey

Yep

So your husband doesn't know how to dress either?

-Rudey
--It's brokeback to have clothing with horses or moose on it.

I wish I had more hands so I could give them titties 4 thumbs down!

-Rudey
--How's that for "ill-mannered Northern speech"?

This thread smells like zima and hair gel.

I'm not sure I ever said that I didn't consider racial slurs rude. I simply said that I find the people on GreekChat MORE rude than all those "Racial slurring rednecks" as I'm sure someone would've put it, on Fratty.

You can't divorce the racism from fratty.net. Fratty IS racism, more than it's about anything else.


If you're so proud of who you are and what you believe in, the post your org and chapter. But wait, you're hiding behind an anonymous screenname.

At least he's being honest. :(

Oh please elaborate on this one.

-33
--Southern Grace just keeps hitting them out of the park, doesn't she?

ATL holla!

Sorry, just had to.

Indeed 33, sounds like a few people here might have ties to the KKK! The South is just lookin' better and better...

I'm from Atlanta. I can DO that. Don't people have a sense of humor?

A while back you made a comment about anti-semitism that made it seem as if you were making light of it. When I asked you what you meant by it, you didn't respond, had your moderator friend delete my questions, and hid in the moderator forum where you thought nobody would read what you wrote.

You, yourself, took pleasure in that anonymity.

-Rudey

Relax with what you're saying. You're just a bit too eager Luke Skywalker.

-Rudey

Best quote of the thread.

-Rudey

mmmm, Dep.

Which makes me yhink of another Dep... Johnny Depp, that is. Mmmm.

Probably realized it.

Uhm. No. Fratty.net is a website about observances on Fraternity and Sorority fashion.

I just read a comment on fratty saying "That's about as fratty as dating a nigger." If that's not racism I don't know what is.

EDIT: After reading through many of the posts on fratty.net I don't think I'll be visiting the board much more often...they openly admire the KKK and the like. It's a different world...

When I said "popular black culture," what I meant was popular black culture. Its not prejudice by any stretch, turn on MTV or BET and see what I'm talking about. Included in that would be music (rap, etc), clothing, language (slang, etc.), and often times the glorification of things that are "ghetto." Then look at our "culture," which consists of country and classic rock, dressing "preppy," playing sports like golf and tennis...They don't really blend well.

Referring to "popular black culture" like you do is like calling your "culture" "popular white culture," which is a gross generalization and not at all accurate. Are you not saying that all black people are the same and fit the stereotypical MTV image you're mentioning here?

Nah, I disagree. I said white culture, when referring to mine, because it is not popular. It is not the image of white young people you see in the media or in major cities. If i meant popular white culture, i'd be referring to a more city-like style. I think that the things I said would be popular black culture, in that it is a popularly seen culture. Sure, there are black guys who are basically rednecks, and those that are really preppy, but you don't see it very often. It may even be true that the MTV and BET black culture you see doesn't represent even the majority of black people, but in my experience it does. Note I'm not referring to how people are, as in their character or education, but rather how they present themselves and the things they are involved in. I imagine the black kids on my campus are much better educated than the majority of black celebrities on MTV, but they still enjoy the same things, dress the same way, etc...

Notice me mentioning several times that popular does not include all, and therefore is not all encompassing.

Eh, six of one half...

You said that most black students at your school are part of what you consider popular black culture. You're right -- you didn't say "all" -- but I still think you're generalizing.

shinerbock is right.

There is such a thing as popular black culture. Not every black person in America adheres to it or can relate to it, and many in fact disapprove of it, such as black leaders of the clergy, government and the business world. But you can't sit there and say there is no such thing. I've heard many denounce it. Just look at what the top songs in America are right now. All glorify the ghetto culture.

And beyond that, yes, race relations are different in the South! There are people in GLOs who are racist, and there are people involved in GLOs who are NOT. Do you think integrating my sorority in 2003 was easy? No, it sure as hell wasn't.

But I can say that I'm not racist. I never had a problem with anyone of any race joining my sorority, but it is disheartening to see others' reactions, even 2 and a half years later. That's why changes must slowly be made so that the South eventually will be like any other place in the country. But it's not all rainbows and smiley faces now. And strides are being made. And let's not forget that there are racists all over the country, aimed at all sorts of races and nationalities.

And finally...true Southern fraternity gentlemen who really care about their fraternities are not sitting over on fratty.net bragging about hunting ducks or sex or polo shirts or whatever. I find it hard to believe that any true 'fratty' types are spending all their time on a message board that glorifies the lifestyle.

You may want to watch the wording on that - I think you mean your chapter, not the sorority as a whole.

Thanks, yes, I was referring to my specific chapter. I'm pretty sure Gamma Phi internationally has been integrated for some time.

Whether there is a "popular black culture" isn't the issue. What was troublesome about the earlier post was the statement that most black people at X school are part of "popular black culture" and therefore not appropriate for membership in shinerbock's fraternity.

It's not okay to stereotype and use that as an excuse for excluding members of a race from an organization no matter where you are in the country.

I don't know shinerbock's school, so I can't judge, but my feeling is that most likely the black students at shinerbock's schools don't even have a real desire to go through NIC or NPC rush. Most probably feel comfortable in NPHC orgs. That's how it is at Alabama, but there are exceptions.

So maybe it's a two-sided thing?

I hope that if people of any race decide they aren't interested in NIC or NPC organizations, it's not because they dismiss members of such organizations as being backass, redneck, fashion-impaired, racist, stereotyping, small-minded assholes.

It sounds like you're saying, "Well, we have our organizations and they have theirs, so let's all be happy with that."

Five-inch inseam? I'm sure everyone appreciated seeing your goods.

Rudey – You're a pretty funny guy. But Mr. Pibb? Give me Dr. Pepper or give me death.

I'm not sure how I missed this -- but are you saying that black = ghetto?

There was a good article a while back on that.

It is two sided.

Who wants to join a fraternity to change it?

-Rudey

I also drink chamomile tea.

-Rudey