With absolutely NO offense intended for mulattogyrl, people who are referred to as "fly," generally are not the ones I'm looking to be around. I imagine Bows and Toes would agree w/ me on this.

^^^ couldn't hang

Yeah, I don't know what that means. You'll have to put it in WASP language.

agreed.

dang, and here i thought you were college educated.

there goes that notion, lol

I'm sorry, but my college education never really covered things like this. I never took Can U Hang Wit This 101.

from your post history, it's a complete surprise that you would actually be even considered educated.

What a well-crafted sentence. I am "considered educated" because I am in fact well educated. You, on the other hand, prefer merely to deride people who disagree with you. From reading your posts, it seems you ridicule others to divert attention away from the lack of substance contained in your arguments.

i ridicule you because my comments apply amd i feel like it. it's quite ironic that you would ever comment on anyone's post substance considering the ignorant drivel that comes out of your keystroke.

i bet you wanted to tell me i'm eloquent or that i'm so well spoken for my kind, huh?

you'd be surprised at the things you can accomplish when you're smarter than 99 percent of the population.


<==has above a genius level IQ and the requisite degrees to boot

^Wow! You're so smart! I only wish I could be as "fly" as you. For real.

Wow.

I guess "genius level IQ" doesn't take proper spelling and grammar into account. Please, do tell us more fly guy.

I agree
 

I agree with you about Affirmative Action policies. I believe that if a college applicant meets the requirements of the college they are applying to then they should be accepted without regards to their skin color. I also believe that Affirmative Action does a disservice to the black students who the standards are lowered for because they may not be able to do college level work and it ignores the problem of why their grades are not up to par and prevents people from focusing on that.And to other posters who talked about racism still existing,yes it does but it does not prevent black people from achieving,we can succeed despite the racism and should focus on that instead of trying to eradicate all forms of racism (i know i'm getting off topic).Black people have succeeded in the past in the face of more overt and dangerous racism so there is no reason black people today cant.

i know, LOL.

^^^ the only marginally witty thing that she could add.

you're reaching, simpleton.

Some of y'all need to look into what affirmative action actually does.

i know, right?

but this is GC, a haven for the uninformed AND strong opinioned.

it'd be nice if people with strong opinions would actually be correct, but hey i guess it's too much to ask. i guess people feel that their little personal experiences trump reality for the rest. quite ridiculous if you ask me.

:D :D :D :o

Good. j/k:)

If you really think minorities always have to meet the same requirements as whites when applying for higher education, you're simply mistaken. I don't believe that fostering diversity, like in the Bollinger cases, is enough reason to favor black candidates.

a buddy of mine goes to dental school here in the south and he told me that its basically impossible for a southern white male to get into his state's medical/dental school with a 3.5 gpa and a decent DAT score, but african americans with lower gpa's and DAT scores have gotten in over people with better scores, now if thats not lowering the standard i dont know what is - this is real life so believe it.

My understanding
 

Well from my understanding (if i'm wrong,please correct me) there are so few qualified black college applicants that college admissions people will accept some of those applicants because they need a diverse campus.

Affirmative Action has its weaknesses, I'll admit. But, consider what the purpose is.

Scenario 1: A white student and a non-white student are up for college admission. Both are well qualified (which is usually the case despite what you've apparently been told). Non-white student is chosen to bring a different perspective to the classroom, to better level the playing field and because the non-white student is all but guaranteed to work hard...that's what it takes for "minority" students to wade through white privilege and make it big.

Scenario 2: A white student and a less qualified non-white student are up for college admission. Look at the schools. Did the non-white student attend a school where the drop-out rate, teen pregnancy rate, etc. was through the roof? Did the non-white student have access to up-to-date technology and textbooks? How about the teachers? A non-white student coming out of such a school and still succeeding demonstrates determination which is vital for a successful college student. In this case, if the white student coming out of an average-performing high school has a 4.0, NHS, extra-curriculars, etc. and the non-white student coming out of a low-performing high school has a 3.5, lots of community service and leadership experience, (of course no extra-curriculars or NHS because the school can't support it), I wouldn't say the white student was more qualified simply based on paper stats.

ETA: Colleges look for more than good grades. They need people who will push through, graduate and become alumni who can give back to the school. Since this is GC, I had another thought. How many "minority" students do you see coming to college, not making it into a favored Greek organization and then dropping out? That's perfectly ridiculous! That person's spot could have been given to a more worthy individual. It just shows you the mindset of some individuals. Perhaps I just saw more of it at UGA and it doesn't occur at other universities...

Both of those scenarios are racist.

Interesting point of view.

I know that this post is a few pages back but I just HAD to respond before I continue on with reading this thread.

Quotas DOES NOT EQUAL Affirmative Action; Quotas are unfair to EVERYONE.
Affirmative Action was meant to help correct the past injustices that DENIED Blacks and other minority (I HATE that word!) groups the same opportunities as the 'majority' group. If both a Black and a White applicant meet the objective criteria, why shouldn't the Black get the job/admission/etc, esp if Blacks are underrepresented? Neither applicant is more qualified than the other but, chances are, the Black had a harder time getting there due to folks with YOUR kind of attitude!

Next, any company that fires anyone SHOULD have all their ducks in a row, regardless of who the employee is! Fair is fair. Unfortunately, in the past, and even oftentimes inthe present, the Black was fired more easily because he/she often did not feel that the 'establishment' or even government would fight for their equal rights. In any instance where race plays a factor in employee performance evaluation, a neutral party should step in to ensure that fair is fair.

Finally, as far as reparations, if we had gotten our 40 acres and a mule when Emancipation came, we wouldn't even need to think twice about the issue of reparations today! Meanwhile, some families (mostly white) and many corporations are STILL living off the fat of our forefathers and denying us (see Affirmative Action discussion above) the fruits of our (ancestral) labor. However, I do not advocate for reparations for individuals but for institutions that are targeted to uplift the Blacks in this country such as historically Black institutions/schools/organizations, political awareness (NOT political parties) and economic development.

On to read the rest of this crazy thread.......

Umm, for the last 30 years, white folks have been moving back into the cities and Blacks have been escaping to the suburbs.

Frankly, if folks want to live with their own kind, fine with me; I do!. The problem with segregation is that government spending (federal, state, local) is/can be disparate based on population demographics NOT objective factors such as tax base and geography. This practice has led to the 'seperate but unequal' facilities of the past which have filtered down to some of the inequities we see today.

Who allocated those points? Princeton Review, the schools, the government, the applicant?....??? 'Cause I didn't get mine!

Mccoy, poor areas have poor schools. You don't see areas that are chock full of wealthy kids with bad public schools, it just doesnt happen. I don't think it will ever be equal, nor should it be. People who settle in nice areas and take on a high tax burden should be rewarded with excellent schools. Why should the same people, often paying a high local tax for education, also take on the burden of kids in inner cities? Once again, it starts at home. The hearts of these students has to change before education can impact their lives. Likewise, the societies they live in have to stop attempting to pull them away from education. Parents are the key to all of this.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I have heard in a while.

So, just because students are poor and live in poor areas, they shouldn't get quality education? Good education is a REWARD for being rich? Poor kids, who have NO CONTROL over the fact that they and their families are poor, should be doomed to "bad public schools"? Poor kids don't have the "heart" to learn? Likewise, just because a child is poor and may live in a poorer area, they are being pulled away from education?

I am flabbergasted....

Welcome to reality. You know why rich kids get good educations? Their parents pay for it. Kids in poor areas get fine educations too, when they work hard. Do you honestly think it is the teachers which lead to the poor education these kids recieve? No, it is their environment. They have few influences telling them that education is valuable, and often their family is among them. So what is it that you propose we do? Take some more money from wealthy families to improve inner city schools?

What do you propose we do?

I think we're on the right track. There is a lot of attention being paid to teacher performance, and that is the correct step. Now, for those schools which have serious problems, like no AC or falling down buildings, absolutely, fix them. However, as I've stated before, the majority of any real change will have to occur within families and inner city society. I know I'll probably get called ignorant for this, but the black community still does not encourage education like white society does. I think that million man march your kid to school thing is a great idea. Rather than admiring Kayne or Lebron or Vick, those kids need to be looking up to successful black businessmen, doctors, lawyers and clergy(not Jackson or Sharpton). I would say politics but I think there are too many politicians left over from the civil rights movement. I'm not saying that these people didnt do good things, but they are all to often in the mindset of blame, rather than fixing the situation. I think the black community needs tough talk to solve their problems, similar to that being done by Bill Cosby and Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson. This applies to all sections of society, blacks, whites, individuals...when the blame is placed on other things, and other people, it requires those people to fix it. If you blame your father for your life, it is difficult to fix your problems without addressing his role in your life. However, if you cast aside blame, you no longer have to deal with the outside factors, and thus have the power to fix it on your own.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

well golly gee willikers, smartacus....if that wasn't already being done, i might actually commend you for stating the obvious.

Starang, sure it is. I'm not seeing any new leadership rising up with this message. But I expected a response like that from you, seeing as you probably clench up at the idea that the white community may not be to blame for everything wrong in the black community. But yeah, I'm sure its being done. After all, none of the organizations who speak for the black community are still holding on to such views...well besides the NAACP, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson...

But then again I'm white, I probably just wrote the above post to ridicule and hold down black people everywhere...

LOL @ smartacus - you and these words!

Of course you did! :cool: I pretty much agree with most of what you said though.

you have no idea what goes on in the communities of people outside of your little, neat box, so you're assertation that there is no leadership or even poor leadership is silly because what you're seeing is not only skewed, but also incredibly inaccruate. you're quick to point of the "racism" of many leaders such as ralph nagin, and maynard jackson because they don't fit into your nice little mold as to what a "black leader" should be. if you'd open your eyes and quit being so incredibly ignorant, you'd see many organizations that are in place for the betterment of the black community. if you'd open your eyes, you'd realize that you're posting in the forum of one of the best.

i'm not even black, and i see that. jesus, some people are so dimwitted but think they're re-inventing water.

My little box? Yeah, I'm sorry, I say things how they are in REALITY. I have no interest in appeasing people's sensitive natures. Once again, I know you're struggling with this concept, but a difference in opinion is not ignorance. Of course there are some good things happening in the black community, if you'd try reading, perhaps you'd see where I already wrote that. Unfortunately, they're the exception, not the rule. Until they're accepted widely by black society, not much will change, will it? I guess by your definition dimwitted=disagreeing with you. Unfortunately, you missed the part where you're not even the most intelligent person on THIS THREAD, much less in our society.

reality for whom? you're ignorant to much of what goes on outside of your little world and can thus only spit rhetoric about what you see on mtv, bet and the news. don't take the term ignorant as an insult, i'm just calling you that because that's exactly what you are. an uninformed, and close-minded individual who seems to actually believe that america is on some sort of level playing field for everyone and that all you have to do is just work hard. peope of color have to work twice as hard as a white man to get the same distance. such is the nature of white privelege. but you wouldn't know anything about that, because you're one of those people who seem to believe that everything is hunky dory and that everyone else's fault. step out to the real world to what real people actually experience.

all you know is a few little bits of information here and there, and bam you're an expert in what goes on everywhere. in your convoluted mind, you seem to believe that everything happens overnight and miracles go on everyday. sorry, chad...that's not how reality works. if you'd take off your rose tinted glasses, you might actually see that, but as it is...you're still uninformed and very foolish.

you're an ignorant twit, who i'm sprinting mental laps around. being the smartest person in this thread means nothing to me, but from your post history...i'm definitely far more intelligent than your simple ass.