don't ever come to a construction site, then.


i argue with contractors all the time who think they know something about engineering.

Yeah, my stepdad (a contractor currently in charge of building a new subdivision on the Kona Coast) says the same thing about you engineers. :p :)

lol, it doesn't surprise me.

And to add to this, both Colleen (goldendelta) and I know that our nationals do read this board, so keep that in mind when you are posting.

PMs are a great tool.

I heart J.L.J.! Almost as much as I heart Samoans ;)

The question of blacks from the U.S. and from elsewhere was asked. It wasn't offensive to me at all because it wasn't expressed in an offensive manner. It was just a faulty comparison if we are talking about different Asian groups.

Is your problem that this discussion is going on in this thread PERIOD or how some people are responding? Groups of people have things in common, such as culture and common physical attributes. That is a FACT and there are fewer exceptions when groups are less mixed with other races and ethnicities. "Wearing too much make-up" is silly and offensive, but I think most people in this thread are having a candid discussion in which they are trying to unoffensively distinguish between-groups.

You don't have to defend how you defended your race. ;)

Things like "wear too much make-up" are stereotypes. ;)

This thread is getting boring. :( Let's talk about something else.

*insert lightbulb*

and a ridiculous one at that.

yes let's talk about something else and yes i'm a tri delt from u of md

No duh. That's what I mean - it's not new to me because I live in Canada.

Where did you go to law school?

hahahaha!!!

Hey! I want someone to question my membership so that I can bust out my pic of me and Linda Daniel Johnson! :D


.....Kelly :)

Yea, so back on topic. Where do people think AGLOs will head? More towards NPC/NIC or NPHC style?

Personally, I'm worried that the new influx of multi-cultural and ethnic GLOs may take AWAY membership from NPC/NIC groups in campuses where membership is already pretty diverse.

I know it's not really any of my beeswax, but I'm also worried that years down the road, Asians (for example) who rush HWGLOs will be seen as white-washed and not "loyal" to their cultures the same way many African Americans are today.

AGLOs are great. The orgs are one of the reasons that Greek life has increased if you ask me since they took guys and girls who most likely wouldn't have gone Greek, and provided that venue for them.

I'm a betting man and I'd bet within 20 years as your groups get more structured, you will look more like NPC/NIC orgs. That's my opinion and some may not agree, but I put it out there.

-Rudey

why? so you think that everyone should just join predominatly white organizations? interesting view point.......

and as for your second statement....many asians are already seen as that. and it has nothing to do with affiliation.

It is my understanding that currently, there is not a National Asian GLO umbrella organization. As such, and to piggyback on Rudy's comment, until there is some sort of national AGLO umbrella organization, AGLO fraternities may be more likely to join the NIC. If they are inclined to join such an organization.

Frankly, the NIC is a more diverse umbrella organization. The NIC currently encompasses various types or interest based service and social organizations. This list includes, but certainly is not limited to: Academic (Agriculture, Architecture, Engineering, and the Sciences), Asian, Black, Latino, and Religious (Catholic, Jewish, and Lutheran). I'm sure I may have left off other interest based organizations. Also, the NIC has member organizations that have fewer than ten chapters to organizations with over 200 chapters. Some might even be considered Regional based in that they are currently only found in one geographical area.

Of course, AGLOs may choose to form their own national organization. Or perhaps hold duel membership and join more than one umbrella organization. Similar to Iota Theta Phi (NPHC) and Sigma Lambda Beta (NAFLO).

Do you know why anyone would want to join both?

-Rudey

I know it isn't good to answer a question with a question, but I will.

Why not? Why not be a member of two - or more - umbrella organizations if doing so fits your organization's need. And as to why (the need) an organization may want to do so, that would depend on the particular organization.

Now with respect to AGLOs, my speculation would simply be that currently, there is no specific AGLO umbrella organization. Joining an already established umbrella organization - that meets their needs - may advance their organization's goals/mission etc.

And certainly down the line, if an AGLO specific umbrella organization were to form, they might decide to join it as well.

I totally agree. I was one of those girls. I had always said that I would never join a sorority. Then one day, while I was waiting in line for coffee, this girl starts chatting me up and she invited me to her sorority's info session. She ended up becoming my big sis. The way I was at the time, I was very shy. I was not the type of person to go meet sorority members and educate myself about sororities. I was not the type of person that would go and sign up for formal recruitment. I held a lot of stereotypes about sorority girls, because I didn't know any. All it took was meeting one nice sorority girl for me to change my mind. If no one had approached me first and started talking to me, I would have never gone Greek. And almost every single girl in my chapter says the same thing. So to Taualumna, I don't believe that AGLO's or other cultural/ethnic-based GLO's are taking away from the diversity of NIC and NPC organizations.

From what I've seen, the Asian girls that come into college knowing that they want to join a sorority will go through NPC recruitment. We then have to educate and recruit from the pool of girls that have misconceptions about sororities or do not know about sororities at all. The reason I chose my sorority is because they actively recruited me. I felt like they wanted me and that they wanted to make a good impression on me. At the time, my beliefs on NPC sororites was that I would have to do all the work. I would be the one that would have to go sign up for recruitment. I would be the one that would have to try to impress the sorority members. It just felt like the NPC sororities didn't care and weren't working to get girls to sign up for recruitment, like an attitude of "well, if they really want to be an XYZ, they'll go find out about recruitment and they'll come find us.....we don't need to educate anyone about XYZ until they sign up for recruitment and come to our events......we don't need to try to get girls to sign up for recruitment because we already get so many girls and we don't need to make any actual effort". This was all before I learned that NPC has VERY strict rules about how the recruitment process is carried out. Now that I know a little bit more about it, I really like how the NPC system works to combat unfair/shady behavior between organizations (such as stealing another organization's PNM's or interfering with PNM's to keep them from going to another house).

Something about this rubs me the wrong way. How are other GLOs taking away membership? :confused: Don't be worried about that, be worried about if you are making ALL people feel welcomed because then you won't have to think about anyone taking any of your "diversity" away.

I co-sign with WhirlwindTNX.

I think many of us (non-NPC women) never had any intentions of joining the NPC in the first place, so I don't see how this is taking away from their potential membership pool. I think many of us would just choose to stay independent. That's what I was going to do. It was either my sorority of choice, or no sorority at all.

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I might be married too, but I might have to fight you for Jet Li! He is hella FOINE
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I am enjoying this thread. Very informative

Taualumna, you also have the opposite of your statement happen as well-there are a lot of white people that join minority-based/multicultural org's (myself as an example), so like my Soror was saying-people will join whatever organization they want to join and whatever appeals to them, one cannot be upset about their personal preferences...

OK, I'm trying to be as sensitive as I can, since it's kind of a delicate issue. Some girls arrive on campus knowing they want to be Greek, but aren't sure which kind of GLO to join. If NPCs are the only ones on campus, then of course, they'll join NPC, but would opt for an Asian/Latin/NPHC/Multicultural GLO if it is available to them. Most people who join these GLOs (with the possible exception of a multicultural GLO) are members of minority ethnic groups. That's why diversity might be taken away from NPCs.

Den we's gonna havta fight... Cuz Jet Li lookeded real fione in that french film...

I strongly disagree. There were no sororities for Latina women on my campus, so we started a chapter of one. We didn't just go and join NPC because it was the only game in town. I think many women out there are not going to just join NPC "by default." Are those the type of women you would want in your sorority in the first place, or would you rather have women who really want to be in your NPC organization, given all the choices they might have on campus?

no they won't. you make it like these girls want to be greek for the sake of being greek. who gives a shit whether or not predominantly white organizations are more diverse? they'll go where they're comfortable. if they don't feel comfortable in white sororities...you honestly think that they'll join that?

I disagree Taualumna, I think the young folks can discern for themselves what they feel which organization best fits them. And not all of them are so blind that they think they do not have any choices... I didn't see a lack of choice being a problem with Canadians when I was up their this weekend... :rolleyes: I saw plenty of opportunities available to triumph. Eventually, that will get filtered thru the universities and colleges.

As far as an "umbrella goes": I think it will be more of a "Olympic Rings" look in the end with each "color of the ring" interacting with another. Those who stay on the outter fringes of their ring color will deal with their own ethnic group's issues; whereas those who choose to interact and be in an totally different ring can. And I think folks will choose multiple rings--to be Lord of the Rings--so to speak...

I think those folks who choose organizations outside of their own ethnic group get labeled as "sellouts" by the immature children on this board. These brats fail to understand that it is more about what works best for these folks made a decisive choice about their organization, anytime.

As a side note: I think AGLO's will begin to define themselves the longer time their ethnic group lives in the United States. It just works that way out here. It happend to mostly all immigrant groups, forced or unforced. And it will be the same for the various Asian populations with the more globalization and interaction all of us inhabitants have on Earth...

That's just my opinion.

I think I love you, AKA_Monet.

I'm sorry honey, I don't go that way... But that's so sweet of you though...:o

lol, what's wrong with you????

:o

I'm sorry but I have to disagree - even in the context of UofT... any interest in the Greek system outside of the widely accepted "norm" (refering to the rich WASP segment) is a step forward for me...

An interest in GLOs, within a community that normally would have dismissed GLOs out of hand as the purvue of an elite 'ethnic' group, and most importantly combats or dispells this mis-labelling does a service to the whole of the greek community - specifically within a system that is unfairly marginallized because of community misconceptions...

Aren't GLOs at U of T trying hard to become more diverse? If more "ethnic" GLOs decide to come to campus, wouldn't it slow down the process?

ETA: Rob, do you think ethnic GLOs would increase the interest in Greek Life for many students at U of T? Many students come from cultures where extra-curricular activities aren't really part of academic life. Students are just expected to go to school, study and get their degrees.

p.s. I was at AGD last month, the same day a New Member class was being held. I believe there are three girls (I've heard both three and four for the spring class, but I only saw three) who are going to be initiated in a few days and all three are Asian.

Some of them are "sellouts." It all depends on their rationale for joining their organization.

I saw him first!!!! Both of you need to back off!!! :p

Aw dang, she's gone and shot down my dream of being in the next edition of the "GC Girls Gone Wild" video. :(