Re: minority members
 

I love FIJIs. :o

What did you post that was insulting?

You already explained what you meant about the Asian markets, although I understood what you meant in the first place.

You seemed shocked that I said that Asian supermarkets weren't "clean" (based on the smilies)

you're truly oblivious, huh?

:confused:

I didn't even respond to your post on the Asian markets.

So, you mean OTHER PEOPLE were shocked. You already addressed that. What do you want to apologize for now? :rolleyes:

Re: Re: Re: It's really NOT your business!!
 

I missed YOUR point? You were the one getting all defensive about being Black and Jewish, and wanting to just have fun with your lifelong sisters. I merely replied that no one was stopping you from doing that.

So yeah, now I am :confused:

Oops...I meant ladygreek. She responded to my post with the smilies.

There is a club on the campus where I work where the children from multi-racial and multi-ethnic families are going to politically "redefine" themselves... Test all the "theories" of the "census application boxes" and be outside the box.

Well, that's cool and should be supported, especially in a place such as the United States.

How well will is go over with the current socio-political climate here, who knows?

However, ladies of the Divine Four is that we are going to have to "remarket", "retool", "revise" and "redesign" how we might attract new members with so many children coming up in here bitchin' and moanin' about our existence and validity...

I have experienced the illogical conclusions made as observed from GC from others in my own city who have made no attempt to know about what we all do in the community...

We may primarily serve the African American community, however there are parts of life that extend beyond race, class and ethnicity...

I find that once the NPHC sororities develop partnerships with corporate organizations--i.e. Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. has a partnership with DaimlerChrysler and Pillsbury, the CEO's, CFO's and VP's start watching what we are doing and blown away by our resourcefulness...

On a college campus that observation is not seen and is actually a retaliation of authority...

What is takes to change that mentality is when we all have those monster events--i.e. Deb Balls, Beautillions, Fundraisers, hey, even Regional Conferences and International Meetings, etc. A few tickets need to be given to the very kids questioning our existence... Then let us see what they say...

I think they will have a completely different view after experiencing the awe and wonder we constantly experience when we go to these things... I know I did when I became a member of my Sorority... I know once hateful folks were blown away after witnessing the Regional Conference Public Meeting...

There needs to be that kind of interaction made between all of us...

I agree.

Monet,
who questions your existence?

-Rudey

I think you have done your research about us because you want to date one of us...

But sweetheart, I dun tole you I's married now... :rolleyes:

you have to do research to date an AKA?

wow.....

Wow. I didn't know NPHC sororities found their validity being called into question. AKA_Monet- who do you feel questions your existence? Do you feel like others think your sororities serve no purpose in the black community but to "divide" us? That's very sad when I hear that from other black people because even though I'm not NPHC, I see what your groups do on campus and I think it does the exact opposite.

Ok, don't kill me for bringing back a 3 year old thread. I was thinking about this topic and since everyone always complains about no one using the search function I thought I'd add in my $0.02 as an IFC "minority." :p

No one has ever asked me why I joined a "white" fraternity. (Even though TKE never had an anti-discriminatory clause and we have diverse chapters all over... ANNND at FIU, whites are the "minority").

I was never interested in joining a latin fraternity, I always felt at home with my brothers. Although one thing I have noticed is that it is more common to see minorities in IFC fraternities than in NPC sororities. Has anyone else noticed this ?:confused:

I'm interested in hearing some responses from more people. :)

We've had another discussion I thought was quite interesting on anti-discrimination clauses.

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ination&page=3

Double trouble.
 

YEp I get it all the time..... My Boyfriend is the president of Intergreek Association and Vice prez of Tau Kappa Epsilon...which is dandy until people treat us weird because we are both African American in predominately white orgs...and surprisingly are extremely active in our communities. not just the "token".

However I could care less...Judge me ..atleast I know people are paying attention..haha

Are the majority of people who treat you weird minorities or White? And can you recall any specific examples of how they treated you weird?



Btw, shoutout to your bf :D:p

...Well..
 

The funny thing is it comes from both ends........when I say weird I meant that we are constantly the topic of conversation within predominately cultural orgs...and ever since we went greek we have people that act rather shady.lol...Its a intangible feeling I assume.

My chapter is especially diverse and we are the most diverse NPC chapter on campus, and it has always been that way. I chose my chapter because of the women in it, not because of the outward diversity.
It always just makes me chuckle when people see my letters and ask me "Oh, you pledged Zeta? No offense to the Zetas, but just because I'm black and you see a "Phi Beta" it doesn't automatically mean Zeta Phi Beta.

(((hugs)))) to joliebelle for making me laugh!

Why is it "surprisingly?"

Being extremely active in your communities doesn't preclude you both being the "tokens" in your organizations. That depends on the dynamics.

Is it still an issue at this point?

If anything, I've noticed more eyebrows raised when a black girl joins a "lower-tier" NPC sorority...

Yes.

Is the impression "That house must really need members so they'll take a black PNM?"

I remember one of the SEC people on here mentioning that the higher tiered organizations at many schools don't have diversity.

.....

oh ok, thanks, I totally took that the wrong way. I have been reading too many oldu threads.

hewwo

tanku

How'd you take it? It may not have been the wrong way.

It's one thing to state the obvious and another thing to say that higher tiered orgs shouldn't have diversity because that goes against "tiers of humanity" or something. I usually take comments about tier and diversity to be saying the latter.

Yes. The cycle of life keeps going.

That's because it still IS the latter. It's the latter on both an individual and systematic level. You have people who think that way and you have a structure that operates that way. Hence, racial and ethnic minorities' seeing the absence of minorities to mean that minorities wouldn't get a bid. And some minorities who do get bids will feel and be treated like a "token."

*ignoring your statement about black males because I know it to be untrue on a larger scale*

It isn't "fratty/preppy." Fratty and preppy are not the same thing.



I agree and that's one reason why it still IS the latter.

as DSTCHAOS mentioned, fratty DNE preppy. and its funny that you say you'd be looking for "fratty" guys, but umm... dont you have to be in a frat to be "fratty?" plus, its quite possible that black guys who attend these "specific private schools" are as "fratty/pretty" as their white classmates.

then again, i went to the public-est of all public schools, what do i know?

by that 2nd statement, im pretty sure it would be more than "at least one guy."

I remember the summer I participated in a summer program that was a joint effort between W&L, Spelman, Morehouse, and Berea college. I already had great opinions of all these institutions, but I remember being really shocked at how preppy some of the Morehouse men were. These guys were more preppy than most W&L guys! In fact they could give the guys in the top fraternity at W&L a run for their money in terms of preppy/expensive/classy clothing, wealth, and general personal comportment and class. There were definitely guys like that at W&L too, but not guys that got accepted into the supposed "top" fraternities. I felt like some of the Morehouse guys in the program were probably the preppiest people I'd ever met. I'm sure that many of them were involved in NPHC orgs.

That was a really educational moment for me - I wasn't particularly preppy myself before I went to college - I went to a big redneck high school and wore jeans and tshirts and had even been sort of goth early on in high school. So when I first met "preppy" guys in college, I did indeed assume it was a "white" thing, but it's definitely not. If you think otherwise it's probably based on your own lack of experience.

At W&L every sorority had African American members, but the "top" fraternities did not. Although - the "top" sororities had fewer African American members. They basically took the richest African American girls.

I went to a private school. The "preppy" black guys wanted to be in chapters of NPHC fraternities that were known for being preppy or dressing in a professional manner. Or they weren't interested in fraternities at all.

The black guys who were in IFC fraternities were either as preppy or UNpreppy as the chapter of the fraternity. They meshed well with whatever environment they were in.

Yes, many of the Morehouse men that you saw were probably in NPHC frats or aspirants. :)

That's why I said his comment wasn't true on a larger scale. People's assessment of such things will always be based on their sample population. If you observe Morehouse, then your take on "black preppy" will be different. And if you observe preppy black males at particular PWIs, your take on preppy will be even more different.

(breathesgelatin) ...I was accepted to Morehouse and did not attend for reasons including it being somewhat of a black bourgeoisie machine.

Just my opinion.

Ok, well I'm not gonna go out of my way to look for "ghetto" white chicks to attend an informational.

(sorry, instigating and adding not much relevance to the argument here)

What's wrong with a black bourgeoisie machine?

It's not for everyone, literally and figuratively. :)

^^^ You're right, and it wasn't for me.

I didn't want to attend a school which was hyper-aware of itself and its legacy.

Replace "ghetto" with "down for the cause" and I agree with you. But it's different because while some NPHCers wouldn't accept a nonblack person regardless of what that person has to offer, the general sentiment is about whether that person understands and wants to be committed to our emphases and philanthropies.

We GENERALLY don't look for whites who "try to be black" and we GENERALLY don't look for whites who dress a certain way. If they can understand and contribute to our histories and causes, that's evidenced by something more than the exterior. On most campuses, whites do not pursue NPHC orgs but those who do are doing so because they have a reason to believe their contribution is a possiblity beyond being treated like a TOKEN (both inside that chapter and outside of that chapter).

LOL...sometimes it's one of those days. :p You actually did add something, though.

Of course you aren't expected to profile "fratty" black guys and cater the rush to this group.

But to be honest, you all do scout out guys for rush in a sense because you all do recruit whereas NPHC fraternities, beyond doing informationals, generally operate more on an "if you want us, SPECIFICALLY pursue us" basis.


So brothers' recommendations matter but why would a woman's recommendation matter?