As everybody is discussing this ad nauseum, I had a couple lengthy discussions about this at work today. I really have to believe that if I were in the condition that she has been in for 15 years, I would want to be allowed to leave this world. I would want my family to be able to grieve the loss of me and move on with their wives. Although I'm not currently married, I do believe that this would include my husband. If I can't be a wife to him, then I don't think I would want him to have to have a lonely existence only because I was brain dead and he had made some vow about "in sickness and in health". Having a loved one in that condition for that length of time has to be extremely stressful for them and I wouldn't want to put them through that. Perhaps I have a martyr syndrome, but I really would rather see my loved ones grieve and move on with their lives. I think that the husband has already grieved the loss of his wife, because he lost her 15 years ago. I feel sad for her parents and siblings because they aren't able to let go. If her husband just wanted her dead so that he could re-marry, then he could have just divorced her.

I have heard the argument that they are "playing God" in taking the feeding tube out and the woman at work who said that said "if God wanted to take her, he would have by now, so they need to keep feeding her". I pointed out that if it was up to God completely, then she will miraculously live without the feeding tube if that's His wish also. If we can "play God" by with holding medical treatment that is life saving, then aren't we "playing God" when we keep people alive by artificial means? It's a question I will have for Him when I reach the pearly gates (I have a whole list of questions!). It seems like as we come up with more and more medical advances to keep people alive and treat their illnesses, more and more illnesses pop up (thinking about HIV, ebola virus, etc) which we can't cure.

If nothing else, hopefully this will get more people to put their wishes in writing. I love that 5 wishes site and am planning on filling it out and having my mother do it too. I know her wishes and I am her Patient Advocate, but I want it all in writing. Since she has emphysema and there will be some difficult decisions to make, I want her to have it in writing. It's not an easy thing to talk about or think about, but it's necessary.

Dee

A-FUCKING_MEN & CO-FUCKING-SIGN

That's probably the most rational argument I've heard this entire time.
Let her die with what little dignity she has left.

This is a legal question that I've been thinking about because of this:

When one gets married, doesn't that usually mean that one's spouse is granted Power-of-Attorney in the event of something like this?

I've been wondering, because if so, then it would seem to me that her parents don't legally have an argument for keeping her alive other than it would hurt their feelings and their opinion wouldn't legally matter in whether to keep her feeding tube in or not.


As to my opinion on it--Kids, I don't think she's snapping out of it any time soon. Really, what's the point of being alive if you don't even know that you are? Let the woman go. If the good Lord decides to call her home, that's between Him and her, not her and her husband and her parents and the Bushes and the courts and everybody else.

/is against life-support machines except in the short-term cases 'cause then you wind up with situations like this one

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/23/schiavo/index.html

yay for the appeals court, they're not going to order the reinsertion of the feeding tube

It doesn't look like that to me...it looks more like he wants her wishes fulfilled and not debated repeatedly in court.

Once again, take ISPP made the best posts of the thread with the links to those websites. The moral of the story is to make your wishes known, legally, in writing so that there is no confusion. (this isn't to say Terry Schiavo did anything wrong)

One's spouse is not granted a power of attorney when you marry. This is kind of technical but a power of attorney can't be implied. You have to give it to someone while you are still healthy. Also it generally only covers financial matters. You are thinking of a living will or a durable healthcare proxy. Those can't be implied either. Both have to be given before you become incapacitated.

What happens, if you become incapacitiated and you haven't created a living will or a healthcare proxy, is that the courts appoint a guardian to make decisions for you, until you gain capacity again or until you die. A guardianship is different because the courts monitor guardians directly. With a healthcare proxy the doctors generally just follow the decisions of the proxy unless someone contests and goes to the court to stop the proxy's decision.
Generally, if you are married, your spouse is automatically presumed to be the person who should be your guardian. However, that can be contested. You need a pretty serious reason to contest, like the spouse himself is incapacitated or the spouse tried to kill the other spouse resulting in the incapacity (a la Sonny Von Bulow). For a guardian to make a decision like this, the guardian must go to the court and ask the courts permission. If it is not contested, it is usually just between the court and the guardian. Other interested parties can contest and can present an opposing viewpoint but if the guardian makes a strong enough showing then the decision goes with what the guardian wants. The parents' opinion isn't completely irrelevant but they would need to have strong evidence which completely refutes the husband's position.
I would also like to mention that this process is slow, cumbersome, and very expensive. This is why we all need a living will or a healthcare proxy. Marriage is no substitute for that.

Wow, I hadn't seen a picture of her taken before the ordeal. She looks like a completely different person.

Thanks for the website; when these people are in the news, sometimes people tend to forget that they're just regular human beings.

Merci, HelloKitty.

CO SIGN! If this man had divorced his wife in that state, the public would be crucifying him right now so he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't! The man has taken care of his wife for 15 years and from what I understand, he was offered money to give up the power of attorney and he refused. I'm not buying the smear campaign AT ALL.

I'm glad that this is an issue that seems to of united Republicans and Democrats that I talk to. Almost all my friends from both sides are VERY uneasy about Congress getting involved.

My hubby and I have also talked about this and neither of us wants to go through this, so we are working on our living will. The tube should have never been inserted - then we wouldn't be here going through all this.

I am definitely pro-life when it comes to abortion issues, but I am also pro-euthanasia! Just another wacky part of me (like being a good conservative but a vegetarian also) LOL!

AggieAXO - I am with you 100%. I have helped two pets cross over the rainbow bridge, and it was so peaceful and easy. I will take that ANY day over this nonsense. Just a nice little shot and that is all.

The news the other night had one of Teri's brothers speak who was actually on the side of her husband. I was pretty suprised that he hadn't been heard from more.

I just signed the living will and no-extreme measures stuff the other day. I could never handle having that happen to me. The poor woman.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/ilove/year...cabbage173.jpg
From the BENQUIRER

Next Step, the Supreme Court....
 

As horrible as it sounds, I'm hoping that Terri Schiavo passes on this weekend so she can finally be at peace and this circus can end.

High court gets Schiavo plea
Parents ask justices to intervene in case
By John Kennedy, Wes Smith and Sean Mussenden | Sentinel Staff Writers
Posted March 24, 2005
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...pecialbreaking

PINELLAS PARK -- Terri Schiavo's parents made a desperate plea to the U.S. Supreme Court late Wednesday, asking the justices to intervene and order their daughter's feeding tube to be reinserted to keep her from dying.

In an appeal filed just before 11 p.m. in Washington, Bob and Mary Schindler -- with their daughter in her sixth straight day without food or water -- begged the court to "move immediately on this matter."

The US Supreme Court has just rejected the appeal.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/24/schiavo/index.html

She can finally rest in peace.

I think there's still the last ditch effort by Gov. Jeb Bush to have her made a ward of the state.

I hope this ends soon.

Memories Diverge on What Terri Wanted

The article addresses the testimony in the 2000 trial that caused Judge Greer to rule agains the Schindlers.

I'm hoping this will all be over soon. It's time for her parents to spend her last days w/her instead of wasting time with futile efforts.

May she finally rest in peace.

Interesting op-ed
 

Defining language of politics

By Frank Cerabino

Palm Beach Post Columnist

Wednesday, March 23, 2005

To: All Political Partisans

From: Cerabino and Associates

Subject: Definitions Redefined


The battle over keeping Terri Schiavo's feeding tube in place, in this, her 16th year in a vegetative state, has created a new political paradigm here in Florida, as well as America.

Many old definitions, rallying cries and fighting words have had to be scrapped, or at least ignored, until further notice.

And ground rules for engagement with the enemy need to be reevaluated until the Schiavo case is firmly behind us. So for the time being, please tread carefully, and consider the following definitional shifts:

State's rights — An antiquated concept stressed during an era when Republicans didn't control the White House, both houses of the U.S. Congress, and the U.S. Supreme Court. State's rights are no longer necessary, especially in Florida — which should have learned its lesson five years ago.

Rule of law — A once-popular American value which has now been relegated, solely as an export, to unwilling foreign countries. Domestically, the rule of law has been replaced by "erring on the side of life."

Life — Something guaranteed only to fetuses and people who are at death's door. People who are actually born and sentient, however, are subject to exploratory wars, deregulation of toxic pollutants, capital punishment and the philosophy that health care is a costly "entitlement" program that needs serious trimming in order to preserve and expand tax cuts on investment income.

Conservative — Used to be somebody who thought most forms of government involvement produced more harm than good. Now, only applies to business regulation.

Liberal — Replace "bleeding-heart" with "killer."

The right to privacy — Go easy on this one. For the time being, it is superceded by The Power of Prayer.

Activist judges — This used to be a pejorative term to describe any judge who insisted on the separation of church and state or was willing to cut against the grain of institutionalized prejudices against gay people. However, now that Schiavo's fate may rely on some judges getting creatively active, this adjective will no longer be used to denigrate judges we don't like.

Persistent vegetative state — Vibrant.

It's OK to heed the pope again — The Vatican is a vocal supporter of keeping Schiavo alive. This will come as a great relief to some who have had to delicately ignore the Vatican on its denunciation of the war in Iraq.

Sen. Bill Frist — Until further notice, he will be referred to as "Dr. Bill Frist", a physician/legislator who specializes in videotape diagnoses of people who might further improve his viability as a future presidential candidate.

Special interest group — A term that must only be used to describe feminists, civil libertarians, environmentalists, and other blue-state whiners. Christian zealots must never be marginalized by this term. They shall instead be elevated with the title "values voters" or "people of faith."

Sanctity of marriage — Put this expression on the shelf for a while. If the wishes of Michael Schiavo, the husband and legal surrogate of his wife, were sanctified as a controlling authority, there wouldn't be a political football for Tallahassee and Washington to pounce on.

Unconstitutional law — Used to be an indication of poor governance. But now it's an intentional legal blunder you rush to pass — often in exuberant emergency sessions — in an effort to impress values voters.

That pretty much sums it up :)

"Mom can I have some candy?" "no"
"Can I have some candy?" "No"
"Can I have some candy?" "No"
"Can I have some candy?" "No"
"Can I have some candy?" "No"
"Can I have some candy?" "No"
"Can I have some candy?" "No"

-The Rev. Patrick Mahoney

Link to the Quote

Whoa!!!! I'm sure he wish that the church have the final say.

I'm willing to bet the moment Terri dies her parents will try to file civil suits, wrongful death suits, etc against Michael Shiavo , the doctors and the state and federal judges.

I wouldn't be suprise if one of the nutcases decided to try to kill the judges or Michael. So much for "pro life."

I talked with my mom last night, and her opinion is "These parents are just living in the past and need to just let go of it. I'm sure she was a wonderful person before she went into the state she's in now. There have only been a few persons that have woken up from these things so she has a slim to none chance to wake. It's not like she's going to wake up and say 'Hey! what's been going on for the past 15 years?'"

IF (and that's a very big 'if') she should wake up, the first President Bush was President. To an extent, nothing's changed politically. LOL

Some times people hear what they want to hear when a sound is uttered by a dying person. After 7 days without hydration and nutrition, I am willing to believe she is in the final stages of her death process. Many strange things happen with the body during that time.

I do not believe she tried to speak. If she didn't at ANY time during the previous 15 years when BEGGED to say anything, she would not be doing it now.

yeah.....the supreme court did a great job on providing a check/balance on congress

Conservatives claim to have discovered a device that can read Terri's thoughts and translate them into words that can be projected from a speaker.

Now that's deplorable.

I feel bad for the poor woman, an innocent person who never wanted to be brought into her spot life. Her life isn't anyone's business.

They pressed charges against a dude in NC for the very thing. Heard it on CNN today.

Good for the judge to decline the family's request. They need to let her go in peace.

I mean come on, someone offered Schiavo $1 million and $10 million to turn over care to her family and he declined. It is obvious that it is NOT about the benjamins
(I just got the new People and was reading about it)

jeb bush gets bitch slapped:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/11233240.htm

Its sad how so many of you see starving someone to death as a peaceful way to go. I mean, its illegal to treat your dog in this manner. You would be jailed, fined (not to mentioned hunted down by every dog owner in the US) if that was done.

But whatever...as long as you get to "stick it the conservatives" that's all that matters. :o

Nothing is ever looked from the human aspect - its either liberal this or conservative that - all the while screwing with people's lives.

A> If we start euthanizing 15-year vegetable cases we'll go down the slippery slope and start having doctors smashing infant's heads with a sledghammer on a whim.

B> At least with starvation she feels nothing even though she doesnt feel anything to begin with. And this sticks with the "sanctity of marriage": that Michael is following through on the wishes Terry had discussed and the strict conservative trial judge heard testimony about.

C> As opposed to living, what? Another 30 years as a vegetable and then having treatments for whatever ailment comes up? Heart disease? Cancer?

D> Unless you want to just fuck over the "sanctity of marriage" at which point I say fuck you and let me have my fucking same-sex marriage if marriage dont mean a shit to you when you dont want it to.

No basis for such a frivolous suit. Judges have judicial immunity and Michael didn't kill her. Wrongful death requires negligence on the part of the defendant. If anything, Michael has the legal basis to sue on behalf of Terri against her parents for their negligence that led to her pvs. Had they knowingly ignored her condition, they could be liable for the resulting death. In addition, he could sue them for attorney's fees in these obvious frivolous appeals and also for libelous statements that he abused her without merit.

If I was them, I'd spend their golden years enjoying life and celebrating Terri's memories. There are families who could only dream of getting a speck of attention for their own personal cases.

http://www.laboratorium.net/archives...raftaBill.html

How Not to Draft a Bill: An Exercise in Life-or-Death Federal Courts Jurisprudence

by James Grimmelmann and Steven Wu

Like many Americans, we thought when Congress passed An Act for the Relief of the Parents of Theresa Marie Schiavo (the Parents Relief Act, or PRA), that the legal battle over Terri Schiavo’s fate would stretch on for many more years in federal court. After all, Congress had opened the doors of the federal courts to “de novo” review of a process that had taken seven years in state courts. Like many Americans, we were surprised when the federal district court issued an order avoiding the difficult issues entirely. But on closer inspection, we realized that the only true surprise would have been if the district court had taken up those issues. Despite Congress’s overstated claims about the PRA, the Act they passed provided only for the limited review in which the district court engaged. Lost in the controversy over the PRA’s legality and wisdom was the more basic fact of its ineffectiveness. Our conclusion: Congress blew it.

(Note: in this post, we have tried to make no claims about the legality, morality, wisdom, or politics of the PRA or any of the parties to the case.)

COURT

The Schindlers seemed to have everything going for them: Governor Bush was on their side. So was President Bush. And in the early hours of March 21, 2005, Congress passed (and President Bush signed) the PRA, a legal and political triumph for the Schindlers. The Act was supposed to open the federal courts to their claims, restarting litigation that had been festering for years in the stubbornly resistant Florida courts. Only hours after the Act was signed, the Schindlers had filed suit in United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida, fully expecting (as their supporters did) that federal judge James D. Whittemore would order Terri Schiavo’s feeding tube replaced.

Their suit failed. Spectacularly.

The first thing to note is that the Schindlers did not undertake the difficult task of proving the constitutionality of the PRA. That’s because they were only suing for a temporary restraining order (TRO) to reinsert Terri Schiavo’s feeding tube, and for that purpose, the court would assume that the Act was constitutional. As it turns out, the court also agreed with the Schindlers on three of the four prerequisites for granting a TRO. All that the Schindlers had left to prove was “a substantial likelihood of success on the merits” of their substantive claims, which “requires a showing of only likely or probable, rather than certain, success.” But they couldn’t even do that.

The most remarkable feature of Judge Whittemore’s court order denying the Schindlers’ claims is how utterly unremarkable it is. A reader unfamiliar with the high politics and emotions surrounding this case would find Judge Whittemore’s legal reasoning restrained, reasonable—and completely obvious.

Take Judge Whittemore’s response to the Schindlers’ first claim. The Schindlers alleged that the Florida trial judge “became an advocate for Terri’s death,” and thereby lost all impartiality, by ruling in Michael Schiavo’s favor. But Judge Whittemore points out that the Florida trial judge was required by state law to decide between the two adverse parties. It would be a very strange federal Constitution in which due process was denied whenever judges followed the law. Accordingly, Judge Whittemore concludes, “[N]o federal constitutional right is implicated when a judge merely grants relief to a litigant in accordance with the law he is sworn to uphold and follow.”

Things don’t get better with the Schindlers’ second claim, which is the heart of their case. That claim is divided into three parts, all of which allege a violation of Terri Schiavo’s procedural due process rights. The first subclaim criticizes the trial judge for his failure to “personally assess Terri’s level of cognition and her responsiveness.” But this is not Europe: our judges are fact-finders, not detectives. Judge Whittemore gestures helplessly at the Schindlers’ gaping lack of precedent before dismissing this subclaim.

The second subclaim criticizes the trial judge for his failure to appoint a guardian ad litem to represent Terri Schiavo’s interests. Judge Whittemore politely notes that, in fact, at least three guardians ad litem were appointed (perhaps more: see footnote 5), and served honorably. He moves on.

The third subclaim criticizes the trial judge for failing to appoint an additional independent attorney (aside from the Schindlers and their attorney) to represent Terri Schiavo’s legal rights. At last, Judge Whittemore can actually apply the Mathews v. Eldridge balancing test to determine whether there has been a procedural due process violation. The first factor to balance is “the private interest that will be affected by the official action”; Judge Whittemore rightly notes that two private interests are in equipoise here, Terri Schiavo’s life versus “her liberty to exercise her right to refuse medical treatment.” The second factor is “the risk of an erroneous deprivation of such interest through the procedures [actually] used, and probable value, if any, of additional procedural safeguards”; Judge Whittemore points to the extensive state judicial and legislative procedures followed on Terri Schiavo’s behalf, and seems honestly baffled at how much more zealous an additional attorney would have been compared to the implacable Schindlers and their counsel. The third factor is “the Government’s interest”; but Judge Whittemore notes that the extensive statutory scheme enacted by the state should be sufficient to protect its interests.

As a result, the Mathews v. Eldridge balancing test tilts against the Schindlers. This was probably the most colorable element of the Schindlers’ claims, and it was also the element into which Judge Whittemore put the most care and detailed legal analysis. If the Schindlers were most likely to prevail anywhere, it was here, but the balance isn’t even close. The Schindlers and their allies have received more court time — and more detailed, reasoned opinions — than most death penalty prisoners receive in state or federal courts. They have had more judicial process than most of us can ever hope for. It is hard to argue with a straight face that every litigated case concerning the wishes of a patient in a permanent vegetative state should receive more process than the Schindlers have had; there is not nearly enough process to go around as it is.

Judge Whittemore then dismisses the Schindlers’ third claim with an on-point quotation from that final arbiter of the meaning of the Equal Protection Clause: the Supreme Court. Indeed, Cruzan is the case that defines American law in right-to-die and withdrawal-of-life-support cases.

He moves swiftly to the Schindlers’ final two claims. The fourth claim is brought under the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA). The fifth claim is brought under the First Amendment’s Free Exercise Clause. The only thing to know about these two provisions is that by their express terms they apply only to governments, and not to private individuals like Michael Schiavo. Plaintiffs always allege that judicial enforcement of civil judgments constitutes state action. They almost always lose. The end.

Evaluated solely as a piece of legal reasoning, Judge Whittemore’s order is hardly a masterpiece. But that’s only because the legal issues he dealt with were so easy. Or, to put it another way, that’s only because the legal claims he was facing were so bad.

But is this how it was supposed to end? How did it come to pass that Judge Whittemore could make a by-the-book ruling on easy-to-resolve claims? Wasn’t this case supposed to be hard? Why in the world was Judge Whittemore only hearing not-very-strong claims based on procedural due process (under the Fourteenth Amendment), RLUIPA, and the First Amendment? What about the dispute over whether Terri in fact expressed a desire to die? What about the numerous videos showing her seemingly active and well? In other words, what happened to all of the arguments that have been dominating the news in the last few weeks? Why did they just disappear?

CONGRESS

If Judge Whittemore’s ruling was correct, the next logical question is whether the Schindlers could have prevailed (even if only in their application for a TRO) with better lawyering: perhaps they have a legitimate claim but they failed to argue it coherently or failed to mention it at all. This appears not to be the case: the Schindlers raised the obvious federal claims at their disposal, and the PRA didn’t provide them with the option of raising state claims.

In the past seven years, the Schindlers have held up their end of the litigation with great procedural tenacity. They filed (and occasionally won) appeals, motions for post-judgment relief, and collateral attacks in other Florida courts. Before the PRA, the case had generated six appellate opinions in Florida courts and two petitions for certiorari to the United States Supreme Court. One would not expect attorneys with such a track record to miss plausible alternative causes of action.

Nor did they. Although the PRA authorized them to sue for the “alleged violation of any right of Theresa Marie Schiavo under the Constitution or laws of the United State,” this broad language implicates few specific rights. The procedural due process claim is so squarely on point that it leaves room for few other constitutional claims. Such a claim is a direct attack on the quality of the state procedures involved in the original decision: if that procedure is upheld under the Mathews balancing test, then there is nothing more to be said about those procedures as a constitutional matter. One might imagine a substantive due process claim that a fundamental right of Terri’s had been violated, but such a claim would almost certainly fail in today’s legal climate. (After all, if a young boy has no substantive due process right against being beaten to severe retardation by a father known by the state to be abusive, see DeShaney v. Winnebago Cty. Soc. Servs. Dept., 489 U.S. 189 (1989), it’s hard to argue that Terri Schiavo has a substantive due process right against the decisions reached by a long series of conscientious state jurists.)

More interesting is the matter of state causes of action. Many commentators — including some in Congress — have said that they thought the requirement of “de novo” determinations would mean that the federal court should summon witnesses and make a fresh evaluation of who should be Terri’s guardian, whether she is in a permanent vegetative state, and of what her wishes would be. These questions originally entered the case as matters of Florida law, which is how they were litigated in the Florida courts. For them to enter the case now, the Schindlers would have had to point to a reason that the federal courts should apply these Florida laws. That they did not do, and for good reason.

There are two routes by which state law typically enters federal court. First, some federal law may borrow from state law. For example, the Federal Torts Claims Act (FTCA), which governs many suits for damages against the federal government, borrows extensively from state tort law. If you sue the government under the FTCA, the burdens of proof and defenses that will apply to your case will be borrowed from the law of the appropriate state.

But here, there is no statute making reference to state law to be borrowed. If there were, the Schindlers could have gone into federal court already to assert those rights, under the “federal question” jurisdiction of 28 U.S.C. s. 1331, which gives jurisdiction over all “civil actions arising under the Constitution, laws, or treaties of the United States.” The reason that the Schindlers needed the PRA in the first place was they could point to no federal law creating the necessary “civil action” for them to get into federal court. And as for the PRA itself, it quite explicitly does not create substantive rights over and above conferring jurisdiction. In Section 5, it states: “Nothing in this Act shall be construed to create substantive rights not otherwise secured by the Constitution and laws of the United States or of the several States.”

So borrowing was out. The other way in which state law typically shows up in federal court is when some federal jurisdictional statute picks up an entire state cause of action and allow it to be brought in federal court. The most famous such statute is the “diversity” jurisdiction of 28 U.S.C. s. 1332, which opens the federal courts to (state-law) lawsuits between citizens of different states. [The difference between this kind of state-law incorporation and borrowing is that this kind takes entire state-law causes of action, while borrowing depends on a federal cause of action and uses state law only to fill in the gaps.] Diversity jurisdiction itself was unavailable here, among other reasons, because everyone involved in the case was Floridian.

The obvious next possibility, then, would be that the PRA might have opened the door to state-law causes of action in the same way that 1332 does. The Schindlers could then have used almost the same complaint they would have used in Florida court in 1998, pointed to the de novo requirement, and asked the federal court to act like a Florida court in resolving the matter. This whole hypothetical would have led out into Erie territory, with the federal court mixing together Florida’s substantive law of guardianship, the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, some elements of Florida guardianship procedure, and its own factfinding.

The PRA, however, did not take this route; it mentioned only rights “under the Constitution or laws of the United States” in conferring jurisdiction. Under the settled interpretation of 1331 and of Article III of the Constitution, which use the language “arising under the Constitution [or] laws … of the United States,” that phrase would be considered not to extend to causes of action created by state law. (One might ask whether “under” in the PRA means the same thing as “arising under” in 1331. This is not an obvious question, given that “arising under” has been interpreted to mean different things in Article III and in 1331. But the difference in the phrasings is not great, and there is a good case to be made that, if anything, the distinction cuts in favor of construing the PRA’s grant even more narrowly than 1331’s.) The PRA, on its face, did not invite the Schindlers to point to it as a jurisdictional grant over the hotly contested Florida causes of action, nor did they treat it as such.

There was one more possible avenue for those causes of action, and its exclusion from the PRA is even more mysterious. That avenue is the “supplemental jurisdiction” statute, 28 U.S.C. s. 1367. In a nutshell, it provides that once you’re in federal court legitimately under some other jurisdictional statute, you can raise all your related state-law causes of action, too. Thus, in the alternate universe in which the PRA was drafted differently, the Schindlers’ complaint would have listed their various Due Process and other federal claims, and then pointed to 1367 and run down their Florida complaint to demand procedures to determine Terri’s guardianship, wishes, and medical condition.

In this universe, however, the PRA doesn’t quite enable such a suit. The key language is from the “Procedure” section:

In such a suit, the District Court shall determine de novo any claim of a violation of any right of Theresa Marie Schiavo within the scope of this Act notwithstanding any prior State court determination and regardless of whether such a claim has previously been raised, considered, or decided in State court proceedings.

(emphasis added). The italicized language — “within the scope of this Act” — is the critical passage. By the terms of the jurisdictional grant, the PRA extends only to “a suit or claim … under the Constitution or laws of the United States.” And, as discussed above, that’s a jurisdictional grant only over federal causes of action, not state ones. In other words, the PRA only gives de novo review to federal claims, not to state ones. Indeed, even if the Schindlers had re-raised their state claims under 1367 on Monday, those claims would have been immediately dismissed as res judicata. Once you’ve litigated a claim in one court and lost, other courts will refuse to let you litigate those claims in front of them.

The upshot of all of this is that the Schindlers couldn’t have re-raised their state law claims in federal court under the PRA. That means no federal court review of guardianship, Terri’s medical condition, etc. — in other words, no federal court review of the very issues that many Congresspeople thought this Act was meant to address. The Schindlers’ lawyer clearly understood this: hence the lack of state law claims in their brief before the federal district court.

But all this makes the “de novo” provision of the PRA rather puzzling. Paradoxically, the federal claims the Schindlers raised on Monday hadn’t already been litigated in state court, while the state claims had. In other words, the Schindlers didn’t need the “de novo” provision to file their(federal law) claims. They only needed it to re-file their state law claims. Except, of course, that the PRA doesn’t allow them to file state law claims at all. In a bizarre and perhaps unintentional twist, the much-vaunted “de novo” provision is a legal nullity: it doesn’t seem to do very much of anything at all.

One may debate whether Congress could constitutionally have gone further. One may debate whether Congress intended to go further. But under the PRA as Congress actually passed it, the Schindlers did all that they could, and the District Court properly denied their requests. The second most surprising thing about the PRA is that it didn’t work — but the first most surprising thing about the PRA is that no one should have expected it to work.

CODA

Returning to the TRO standards, Congress didn’t need to do much to vacate the Florida court’s order to remove Terri Schiavo’s feeding tube. All it had to do was put before the federal district court a difficult legal claim — even the constitutionality of the PRA itself. The only reason the district court was able to act so quickly — and contrary to the professed wishes of Congress — was that the claims it was actually faced with were so obviously weak. In other ways, the PRA was very skillfully drafted: It anticipated abstention, exhaustion of state remedies, and the federal court’s own power to provide remedies. Clearly smart people knowledgeable about the federal courts wrote the PRA.

Are we missing something? We’re just a bunch of law students, arrogant after a semester of Federal Courts, but a United States district judge and the Schindlers’ energetic and resourceful lawyers seem to agree with us that the PRA doesn’t allow relitigation of this case’s most controversial issues. Why did Congress make such a big deal about an Act that wasn’t going to work? What were the drafters’ reasons for not trying something more ambitious and more in line with their stated intent? We have some guesses, which we hope to explore in a follow-up post.

[Of course, the Eleventh Circuit might overturn the district court anyway. Even if they do, (a) they’re wrong, and (b) our point stands: none of the federal claims will lead to anything more than a remand to the Florida courts to provide even more procedure to Terri Schiavo.]

I agree that letting her starve to death is inhumane and frankly barbaric. Why can't they give her an injection?????????????She is going to die anyways why not make it quick and humane???????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????

I don't get it???????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????

I will come and give her the injection (instead of bringing her a glass of water which she can't swallow anyways).

I don't get why people are so opposed to humane euthanasia-can anyone that is opposed explain this to me?

I am so glad for the most part I don't have to watch my terminally ill patients suffer. There is the occasional wacko that does not believe in euthanasia but this is rare. These people usually leave the animal at the hospital for us to watch it suffer-how nice.

A> Her brain is dead, she cant feel anything. She is a vegetable shell of what was a woman. What was Terri Schiavo died 15 years ago.

B> She wouldn't feel pain anyway. But, you know, the Schindlers and other religious nutz won't listen to or believe people with medical and end-of-life knowledge and backgrounds anyway, so they'll continue to get people like you to believe their lies that Terri is suffering.

C> Your "?" key seems to be sticking on your keyboard.

ETA: a few days ago I hadn't read up on the process of dying by starvation, now I think I will leave that option in my living will and write that is what I want done, after organ-harvesting, in the event of severe head-trauma, brain-damage, etc.