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NinjaPoodle 12-10-2004 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by Taualumna
As alum, can they speak with several different GLOs the way you can wth NPC? I just find the NPHC method much more "rigid" than NPC. I really don't understand how you can make a decision based on what's on the website/printed info because you aren't actually interacting with the members. What the website says can be different from the members on one's particular campus.
When we tell some one to "research the info", the internet is only part of it. Before the internet, we told perspectives to "research" and they did it and still do it by speaking with members. There is no way around that. There is no way you can get all information from the internet. Our groups are about PEOPLE. So, you must converse with PEOPLE to get the info.

ETA

The internet is just a tool as are books, articles, etc.. to get the needed information.

TheEpitome1920 12-10-2004 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by NinjaPoodle
When we tell some one to "research the info", the internet is only part of it. Before the internet, we told pespectives to "research" and they did it and still do it by speaking with members. There is no way around that. There is no way you can get all information from the internet. Our groups are about PEOPLE. So, you must converse with PEOPLE to get the info.
Exactly! That includes getting to know chapter members, attending events, participating in community service events. and reading books and articles written about our organizations.

I would be upset if someone thought that by simply reading our website they knew enough about Zeta. :eek:

Senusret I 12-10-2004 04:19 PM
^^^Two great posts.

Steeltrap 12-10-2004 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by NinjaPoodle
When we tell some one to "research the info", the internet is only part of it. Before the internet, we told pespectives to "research" and they did it and still do it by speaking with members. There is no way around that. There is no way you can get all information from the internet. Our groups are about PEOPLE. So, you must converse with PEOPLE to get the info.

ETA

The internet is just a tool as are books, articles, etc.. to get the needed information.
As my sister-Soror said, speaking and meaningful interaction with members is key, although other sources of information/research are important.
If you can't interact with members, why would you want to be a part of us?

Wolfman 12-10-2004 05:36 PM
I would like to throw in a caveat for non-NPHC members on the MSP of our organizations. It just so happens, rightly or wrongly, that most NPCH groups have a national "reputation" or "stereotype" that does orient young men and women to these groups. This is true, whether we want to admit it or not--it's a two-edged sword! So people know about the "Que Dogs" or "Pretty boys," or "Gentlemen scholars" when they come into the college experience. And this does have an impact on people expectations in terms of what organization they want to become a part of.

Taualumna 12-10-2004 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by NinjaPoodle
When we tell some one to "research the info", the internet is only part of it. Before the internet, we told perspectives to "research" and they did it and still do it by speaking with members. There is no way around that. There is no way you can get all information from the internet. Our groups are about PEOPLE. So, you must converse with PEOPLE to get the info.

ETA

The internet is just a tool as are books, articles, etc.. to get the needed information.
Do potential NPHC-ers speak with members on your campus as a group or individually? I'd think that speaking with chapter members would be more effective, since you get a feel of what the entire chapter is like...

NinjaPoodle 12-10-2004 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by Taualumna
Do potential NPHC-ers speak with members on your campus as a group or individually?
Yes, they speak to "us" either way. Grad, Undergrad it doesn't matter. It's ONE organization.

Quote:
Originally posted by Taualumna
I'd think that speaking with chapter members would be more effective, since you get a feel of what the entire chapter is like...
More effective than what? :confused:

Taualumna 12-10-2004 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by NinjaPoodle
Yes, they speak to "us" either way. Grad, Undergrad it doesn't matter. It's ONE organization.



More effective than what? :confused:
More effective than speaking with two or three members of the organization that may or may not be from the same chapter.

NinjaPoodle 12-10-2004 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by Taualumna
More effective than speaking with two or three members of the organization that may or may not be from the same chapter.
Sending you a PM

starang21 12-10-2004 08:30 PM
why do i feel like i'm at a meet the greeks right now?

preciousjeni 12-10-2004 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by starang21
why do i feel like i'm at a meet the greeks right now?
Bwahahahahaha! I really do like ya starang! :D

starang21 12-10-2004 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by preciousjeni
Bwahahahahaha! I really do like ya starang! :D
;)

CarolinaDG 12-11-2004 12:42 AM
Re: Information
 
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Originally posted by jwoods9
I have noticed that there is an emphasis for those interested in NPC/IFC to pledge their freshman year...sophomore the latest....

Although there are some NPHC/NALFO/NMGC members who pledge their freshman year, most seem to take their time to get familiar with their university and the GLOs themselves.

I didn't attend my first information session until my junior year, which is also the same year that I pledged. By that time I was familiar with the GLOs on my campus and even those at other schools.

The internet wasn't as prevalent when I was in school. Most GLOs did not have websites at that time, but we learned about GLOs by word of mouth of family, friends, Meet the Greeks, etc.

I had friends that were NPC/IFC, Deltas, Zetas, AKA, Sigmas, Ques, SGRho, OPC, CUS, LTA, LTP, LUL, LSU, MSU, PSP, etc. etc. etc. and continued being friends with them even after I chose the organization that was right for me.

Omega Phi Chi was actually the only GLO I looked into further because it was the right one for me. All the other GLOs are excellent, but the one I chose was the right one for me.
My roommate from Freshman year was a legacy (honestly, I can't remember which one... I think Delta) so she wanted to go through her sophomore year. The nice thing about it was that she always hung out with the Zetas (went to parties, etc...) so she knew the girls already. Another friend of mine is a junior this year, and went through last year. She was completely committed to AKA (she looks so cute in her pink! She even bought the pink tennis shoes!!!) and knew people before going through. I rushed as a sophomore, and I think that is one of the things that I loved about doing it... I knew EXACTLY what I was getting into. I mean, not to down the way NPC does it, but I'm glad I went through the way I did... knowing girls and reputations. It's interesting that NPC groups don't want sophomores and up. Honestly, I'm not really sure why, except that it would've been nice for me to have an extra year... I probably would've ran for office on sorority council and held a larger position on Dance Marathon... I guess that's why we do it the way we do.

preciousjeni 12-11-2004 01:00 AM
Does anyone know if the NPC has ever discussed reviewing the tradition (or is it a policy) of taking freshmen as a majority? If these sororities took women all the way through senior year, it might promote the idea of membership for a lifetime. I understand that, for the way NPC sororities work, it would be best to take mostly freshmen to keep the chapter running properly. But if it weren't such a challenge for juniors and seniors to join, they - especially seniors - would still be barely out of their first year euphoria and would surely make wonderful alumnae association members!

tiger1547 12-11-2004 02:28 AM
minority
 
I would like to say that i am an African American in a mostly white sorority. We also have a handful of Asians. I found that I was worried about race and sometimes i still wonder but I think if you like the girls it doesn't matter. As for the rest of the sororities on campus they are the same way. I don't understand why there are not more minorities in NPC. I think that it may be because we are unsure if we will be acepted and how our friends will react to joining a group unlike ourselves.

Sistermadly 12-11-2004 02:38 AM
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Originally posted by preciousjeni
Does anyone know if the NPC has ever discussed reviewing the tradition (or is it a policy) of taking freshmen as a majority?
I haven't seen any official policy statements, but a number of organizations have published articles in their magazines that talk about the changing face of university students - how many first year students are older, more ethnically diverse, and come from different financial circumstances than the so-called "traditional" college student. In an article I read, the writer stressed that we should look at all potential new members equally.

Sistermadly 12-11-2004 02:47 AM
I wanted to give a heartfelt thank you to all the members of the D9 who took the time to answer my questions. :)

roqueemae 12-11-2004 01:35 PM
None to the rest of us?:(

tunatartare 12-11-2004 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by preciousjeni
Does anyone know if the NPC has ever discussed reviewing the tradition (or is it a policy) of taking freshmen as a majority? If these sororities took women all the way through senior year, it might promote the idea of membership for a lifetime. I understand that, for the way NPC sororities work, it would be best to take mostly freshmen to keep the chapter running properly. But if it weren't such a challenge for juniors and seniors to join, they - especially seniors - would still be barely out of their first year euphoria and would surely make wonderful alumnae association members!
This past year when I was Rho Chi, we had a senior go through recruitment and she got a bid to her second choice house that she was happy with and she accepted. A few weeks later, I ran into her on campus and she told me that she dropped out of the sorority because she had a large course load and she lived off campus and she didn't have enough time for it.

33girl 12-11-2004 04:48 PM
Everyone who's saying "NPCs only want freshmen" or "freshmen are a majority" - THIS IS ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NOT TRUE.

It may be the case at schools like LSU, Texas, etc - schools where Greek life is huge and there are tons and tons of girls going through. But those schools are becoming fewer and farther between. At many many MANY schools, your class standing really doesn't matter. At some schools you can't even rush until you are a sophomore - so it obviously isn't a policy for any sorority.

I don't deny that there are schools where it's hard for an upperclassman to get a bid, but there are just as many where juniors and seniors rush and get bids with no problem. If you're at one of the latter and don't get a bid, maybe it's you, not your class status. Sorry to be blunt, but it's the truth.

preciousjeni 12-11-2004 04:53 PM
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If these sororities took women all the way through senior year, it might promote the idea of membership for a lifetime.
Oops! I just re-read my post and I'm guilty. I should have said something more like "If these sororities, on each campus, embraced women all the way through senior year..." I know that NPCs don't just take freshmen and that this is a well-distributed myth. So, my apologies!!!

KSUViolet06 12-11-2004 05:13 PM
My org actually published an article in the Fall 2004 issue of our magazine about realizing that most PNM's are NOT typical 18 year old, white, middle class freshmen anymore.

I think my school has done a good job with getting upperclassmen. Of our 140 or so rushees, only maybe 40% of those were freshmen. The majority were sophomores and juniors. We also had quite a few junior and senior transfers who had a few years left in school. They all ended up with their 1st or 2nd choice.

taurus0426 05-30-2008 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 902175)
I'm African American and I joined my sorority in the spring of 2004 (informal recruitment) as a sophomore. It was never a big deal to me. It was just a matter of me liking the women, the sorority itself, and feeling like Sigma was a place I could positively contribute to.

I think it's just a matter of "different strokes for different folks". It all depends on where you are happy and where you fit. The majority of my Greek friends of my race are NPHC but they don't give me flack about my choice. They actually hugged me when I found out I got a bid because they knew I'd found an organization I clicked with.

Currently I am the only African American in my chapter, but we have several alumnae who are. Other chapters on campus have women of different ethnicities in them, and I actually see a growing number of culturally diverse women becoming interested.

With regards to diversity, I'm also proud to say that I have a disability and that I was honestly at fisrt more concerned about that than my race. I never thought my race was a factor or issue.

anyway-In terms of other types of diversity, EVERY chapter on my campus just happens to have members of varying physical ability levels and think that is just as amazing as the racial diversity here.
Amen to that! I may pledge but I have the same dillemma. I'm looking at several groups both NPC and NPHC and feel like if I do join an NPC I'll be seen as werid or "selling out". Has anyone been called that? (mostly black pledging white?)

KSUViolet06 05-30-2008 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by taurus0426 (Post 1660699)
Amen to that! I may pledge but I have the same dillemma. I'm looking at several groups both NPC and NPHC and feel like if I do join an NPC I'll be seen as werid or "selling out". Has anyone been called that? (mostly black pledging white?)
This is going to sound mean, but who cares what others think? Are they going to be paying your dues? If not, then it is of no consequence to anyone what sorority you join.

Kevin 05-30-2008 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by taurus0426 (Post 1660699)
Amen to that! I may pledge but I have the same dillemma. I'm looking at several groups both NPC and NPHC and feel like if I do join an NPC I'll be seen as werid or "selling out". Has anyone been called that? (mostly black pledging white?)
People may think that.

Back in my college days, I asked a friend of mine (who was black) if he wanted to come to some fraternity event (I was recruiting him). He politely declined because his roommate was in an NPHC organization and he had already been told that he'd basically be ostracized if he pledged a "white" fraternity.

taurus0426 05-30-2008 11:01 PM
I know I guess I'm too self concuious (sp?) I've been called a sellout many times throughout my life so I couldnt help but wonder.

And the only people who matter to me are my fam since they're gonna be helping me with dues. But I think they would rather me be happy wherever I feel right at....who knows what'll happen?

taurus0426 05-30-2008 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1660706)
People may think that.

Back in my college days, I asked a friend of mine (who was black) if he wanted to come to some fraternity event (I was recruiting him). He politely declined because his roommate was in an NPHC organization and he had already been told that he'd basically be ostracized if he pledged a "white" fraternity.
I wonder if this is more of a black/minority hangup? Its like if a white person joins something with nonwhite memebers no one white cares or really makes a fuss but if its the other way, we get seen as some kind of traitor? Or if a white person joins a black GLO they're seen as "wannabees"?

PANTHERTEKE 06-01-2008 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by taurus0426 (Post 1660707)
I know I guess I'm too self concuious (sp?) I've been called a sellout many times throughout my life so I couldnt help but wonder.

And the only people who matter to me are my fam since they're gonna be helping me with dues. But I think they would rather me be happy wherever I feel right at....who knows what'll happen?
Why were you called a sell out? Because you didn't "act black" enough maybe?

Look, IGNORANT people are the ones who think others are "sellouts" because they don't hang out with the other Black students, they join an NIC/NPC org, have mostly white friends, etc.

Don't pay attention to the opinions of the less intelligent. As you said, the only people that matter are your family. As long as you feel comfortable wherever you end up, then it's all that matters.

I know Black members of predominantly Hispanic IFC/NPC chapters (I'm at FIU... in Miami lol). And although some people may think "Oh, it's different because the majority of the chapters are Hispanic and not White," it really isn't. The Black members are still the "minority" in their chapters but they feel a sense of belonging and love their brothers or sisters.

And at the same time, most of these Black IFC/NPC members I can't seem to picture in an NPHC org. Some Black people just wouldn't fit in or feel at home in a historically Black GLO the same way that some White people wouldn't feel at home in a WGLO and the same way I wouldn't feel at home in a LGLO.

It really is no big deal, IMHO.

I hope you are able to make the best decision for you, and don't forget to not pay attention to the people trying to bring you down.

taurus0426 06-01-2008 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE (Post 1661126)
Why were you called a sell out? Because you didn't "act black" enough maybe?

Look, IGNORANT people are the ones who think others are "sellouts" because they don't hang out with the other Black students, they join an NIC/NPC org, have mostly white friends, etc.

Don't pay attention to the opinions of the less intelligent. As you said, the only people that matter are your family. As long as you feel comfortable wherever you end up, then it's all that matters.

I know Black members of predominantly Hispanic IFC/NPC chapters (I'm at FIU... in Miami lol). And although some people may think "Oh, it's different because the majority of the chapters are Hispanic and not White," it really isn't. The Black members are still the "minority" in their chapters but they feel a sense of belonging and love their brothers or sisters.

And at the same time, most of these Black IFC/NPC members I can't seem to picture in an NPHC org. Some Black people just wouldn't fit in or feel at home in a historically Black GLO the same way that some White people wouldn't feel at home in a WGLO and the same way I wouldn't feel at home in a LGLO.

It really is no big deal, IMHO.

I hope you are able to make the best decision for you, and don't forget to not pay attention to the people trying to bring you down.
I really like two NPCs at my school so I might rush them not sure of pledging but my heart is reallly set on one NPHC. I havent met any of them yet so I'll give them all fair chances.

And the people who think I would be out of place is my own fam....NPHC members but I really think it's beacuse of their old school mentality. They arent racist but have a strong rooted belief that the D9 is the only thing "we" have that blacks founded and dominated for the last 100+ years and the traditon is dying out if my generation goes NPC. But times are changing....

This sounds like that blood purity thing I read in Harry Potter!:p

PANTHERTEKE 06-01-2008 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by taurus0426 (Post 1661219)
I really like two NPCs at my school so I might rush them not sure of pledging but my heart is reallly set on one NPHC. I havent met any of them yet so I'll give them all fair chances.

And the people who think I would be out of place is my own fam....NPHC members but I really think it's beacuse of their old school mentality. They arent racist but have a strong rooted belief that the D9 is the only thing "we" have that blacks founded and dominated for the last 100+ years and the traditon is dying out if my generation goes NPC. But times are changing....

This sounds like that blood purity thing I read in Harry Potter!:p
Well, think of it this way... You shouldn't pursue membership in an NPHC org unless your heart is set on THAT glo, right? Well I think your family would accept it (even if it takes time) more if you joined an NPC and felt happy and had no regrets than if you pursued membership in an NPHC org half-assed and not whole heartedly.

Regardless, you shouldn't join ANY greek org without being sure it's right for you.

That's all I can think of now lol.

ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl 06-06-2008 08:16 PM
On my campus very few minority women participate in NPC Recruitment. Sometimes it unfortunately makes them into tokens. I have actually heard "Hey we got a black girl this semester" like she is a trophy. But because our campus is fairly diverse and our NPC and NPHC sororities are not, this attitude has cropped up.

Elephant Walk 06-06-2008 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 910780)
My org actually published an article in the Fall 2004 issue of our magazine about realizing that most PNM's are NOT typical 18 year old, white, middle class freshmen anymore.

I think my school has done a good job with getting upperclassmen. Of our 140 or so rushees, only maybe 40% of those were freshmen. The majority were sophomores and juniors. We also had quite a few junior and senior transfers who had a few years left in school. They all ended up with their 1st or 2nd choice.
Middle class is typical for you?

Edgarrncn 06-08-2008 12:00 PM
Latino in Sigep
 
Since my school is located in Miami, FL all of the PC and IFC organizaitons are made up of Hispanics. It's weird going to national events and seeing the other chapters. In the end, all organizations offer something to everyone


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