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SigmaChiGuy 11-11-2004 02:29 PM

Actually, being a white male, all of your examples below apply to me. Not because I am white, not because you're black

Well golley gee, it sure is interesting to know that all the mud a black person has been through, so have I. How can that be, I'm white?

Quit painting your picture so dark, and quit painting my picture so bright. You do this to yourself.

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Originally posted by jubilance1922
You're right I wasn't a slave...

But you know what happened to me?
Let's see:
*I've been followed around in stores, and I've never stole a day in my life.

*I've been told that I was a engineering major at my alma mater because of affirmative action. (NO, I'm just smarter than you!).

*I've had people act like I'm going to steal their purse.

*My friends and I are targeted by the police all the time.

So what did I do to deserve this? Nothing except be African American. I've never broken the law, I pay my taxes, and I pay my bills.

Maybe you should educate the people who think I'm a criminal just because of my color, since slavery didn't happen to me.


Rudey 11-11-2004 02:31 PM

I think you're all retarded...well not senusret...he's cool...I'm cool...everyone else is retarded...OK maybe moe.ron can get on the cool bus but that's it.

-Rudey

jubilance1922 11-11-2004 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SigmaChiGuy
Actually, being a white male, all of your examples below apply to me. Not because I am white, not because you're black

Well golley gee, it sure is interesting to know that all the mud a black person has been through, so have I. How can that be, I'm white?

Quit painting your picture so dark, and quit painting my picture so bright. You do this to yourself.

Sorry, but I don't do anything to myself. I don't believe that I'm a victim, but I do believe that there are those who hate me based off my race.

Save the victim talk for someone who really believes they are one, though I don't believe your "caring" manner will reach them.

Tom Earp 11-11-2004 04:05 PM

Well, I think I will go make My Vanilla Ice Cream and take out the black left over ashes from the fire place.


Vanilla because I can add many toppings, and Black Ashes, because that is the color of them!

I cant be racist, I dont like anybody!:p

preciousjeni 11-11-2004 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by ADPiZXalum
I'm not arguing that racism is not a problem. Of course it is. I'm not arguing the fact that she probably has run into many incidents of it herself. I'm arguing that it is a two sided street whether the African American population wants to believe it or not. Of course they are not going to see it the same way as I do. And no I won't see it the same way as they do. Living in a town that was 97% Hispanic, I guarantee you that people were racist towards me. That was a horrible experience for me.
But you can move somewhere else and not experience these issues.

ADPiZXalum 11-11-2004 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
I think you're all retarded...well not senusret...he's cool...I'm cool...everyone else is retarded...OK maybe moe.ron can get on the cool bus but that's it.

-Rudey

thank you! you're so sweet! :D

PrettyPoodle95 11-11-2004 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by ADPiZXalum
I'm not arguing that racism is not a problem. Of course it is. I'm not arguing the fact that she probably has run into many incidents of it herself. I'm arguing that it is a two sided street whether the African American population wants to believe it or not. Of course they are not going to see it the same way as I do. And no I won't see it the same way as they do. Living in a town that was 97% Hispanic, I guarantee you that people were racist towards me. That was a horrible experience for me. The anger comes from someone saying that because I'm not black and because "my ancestors didn't help build this country against their will" I couldn't possibly understand or have experienced racism. It is a problem that runs rampant through this country. NO doubt..........but it's not just whites against blacks. It is true that I've never been followed in a store or pulled over bc of my race or looked at like I was going to steal something. TRUE...........BUT I have experienced someone being racist towards me. I did go home crying at least 3 times a week for 4 years until finally I was transfered to another school. That's my point. If I knew the solution, I'd be the first to offer a solution. I'm sure I sound like a racist biggot myself but that couldn't be farther from the truth. I really think I'm through discussing this issue, it's making me sick to my stomach.
Thank you for your input Valkyrie. I'm sorry that I've come across as angry, but I hope my point is understood as much as hers is.

No one is saying that you were not discriminated against. But what you don't seem to understand is when you leave the 97% Latino community you are back to the real world where being White is right, where you are the majority. Guess what? As a Black person, I can't pretend to be someone else because I still have that skin color problem. There is not a place where I can go where I am the majority.

Slavery was a long time ago but it has everlasting affects on who we as a people now. Some Blacks and Whites still have that slavery mentality. No one is here to try to bring understanding to any non-minority person because until you have been in our shoes, you could never understand. I bet most of you think that racism has gotten better over the years. IT HASN'T! It has gotten worse just more on the DL(down low).

valkyrie 11-11-2004 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Senusret I
First of all, I heart valkyrie.

Valkyrie hearts you too. ;)

Tom Earp 11-11-2004 05:39 PM

Yes, in The USA, Slavery was a long time ago but to perpetuate it is almost as bad. Carry The Cross of burden, but dont hoist it upon everyones backs.

Read the papers and see what is going on in many other Countries. How different is it there than what is said about here? Are you being killed in mass, no, I dont think so!

Do you really try to get along or just feel I am who I am and screw you all?

Do the Non White-so-called Greek Organizations try to interact with other Greek Organizations? It seems that some of you answer that question to quickly and without any thought.

If I or anyone else do not know you or vice versa, how can You or I speak out about anything?

If you were not in bondage then dont talk about it, quit being I was a relative of a slave. There are no mare slaves allowed by law in the USA!

Do not ever try to tell me that there was never Bondage among white people, Irish, Itialians, Asians, South Americans, Mexicans and many others.

Your cross of life is almost to much to bear.

Munchkin03 11-11-2004 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Yes, in The USA, Slavery was a long time ago but to perpetuate it is almost as bad. Carry The Cross of burden, but dont hoist it upon everyones backs.

Read the papers and see what is going on in many other Countries. How different is it there than what is said about here? Are you being killed in mass, no, I dont think so!

Do you really try to get along or just feel I am who I am and screw you all?

Do the Non White-so-called Greek Organizations try to interact with other Greek Organizations? It seems that some of you answer that question to quickly and without any thought.

If I or anyone else do not know you or vice versa, how can You or I speak out about anything?

If you were not in bondage then dont talk about it, quit being I was a relative of a slave. There are no mare slaves allowed by law in the USA!

Do not ever try to tell me that there was never Bondage among white people, Irish, Itialians, Asians, South Americans, Mexicans and many others.

Your cross of life is almost to much to bear.

OH NOAS.

What the fuck are you talking about?!

Put down TEH MOONSHINE.

valkyrie 11-11-2004 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by Tom Earp
There are no mare slaves allowed by law in the USA!

I think we have PETA to thank for that!

Senusret I 11-11-2004 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by Tom Earp

Do not ever try to tell me that there was never Bondage among white people, Irish, Itialians, Asians, South Americans, Mexicans and many others.

Your cross of life is almost to much to bear.

DUDE.

THERE IS NO COMPARISON.

The Transatlantic Slave Trade is what built this country.

The legacy of the Transatlantic Slave Trade is what keeps this country divided.

There is no escaping the effects of slavery.

DON'T GET IT TWISTED. There are very REAL things that happen in America BECAUSE OF slavery.


Whhhyyyyyy do I even try.......

Senusret I 11-11-2004 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by valkyrie
I think we have PETA to thank for that!
LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Womp, womp, and wommmmp.

Munchkin03 11-11-2004 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by Senusret I
DUDE.

THERE IS NO COMPARISON.

The Transatlantic Slave Trade is what built this country.

The legacy of the Transatlantic Slave Trade is what keeps this country divided.

There is no escaping the effects of slavery.

DON'T GET IT TWISTED. There are very REAL things that happen in America BECAUSE OF slavery.

Why oh why can't we block mods? :mad:

Tom Earp 11-11-2004 05:58 PM

Thank you for climbing up on your Tide Soap box and spouting your laundry of dirt.

If you do not understand it, maybe some others will!

While your opinion is valuable, I guess the Moderator of the Site feels it is not needed to give your little wish.

Narrow Mindedness is not a one way street. Which way are you driving on a one way street or a two way?


Oh, so study your history, it was also Blacks who sold People to the Traders first off Dutch I think. Also, there were Slave Traders who owned ships and brought the poor people over and sold them wqho were Blacks.

Your cross does get heavy doesnt it?

Senusret I 11-11-2004 06:01 PM

Dude, that just didn't make sense!

Tom Earp 11-11-2004 06:05 PM

Well Dude, maybe it will to some!

Those that are not small minded!:(

Senusret I 11-11-2004 06:06 PM

So I'm small minded because YOU don't make sense?

Lady Pi Phi 11-11-2004 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by Munchkin03
..."non passport owning."
A little off topic, but a statistic I hear was that only 10% of Americans hold passports...

33girl 11-11-2004 06:15 PM

I DON'T HAVE A PASSPORT!!!


OHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

http://www.mrbill.com/Saturday%20Nig...les/mrbill.gif

valkyrie 11-11-2004 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl
http://www.mrbill.com/Saturday%20Nig...les/mrbill.gif
IS HE WEARING WHITEFACE?!!!!!!!!

Jen 11-11-2004 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by Senusret I
Dude, that just didn't make sense!
Because of TEH MOONSHINE.

I don't find what the student did offensive to me as a white person. A stupid costume yes, offensive no. Why don't I find it offensive? Well, there's no reason for it to BE offensive to me, no historical connection that makes it smack of racism.

As for the whole "slavery was a long time ago" and the seemingly "get over it" attitude in some posts....Senruset makes a key point - slavery is responsible in a large part for building the United States. When your country is built on that, I don't think it's something you can expect everyone will be all happy and forget about a hundred years later. I don't think it's something you SHOULD forget about and get over. I don't recall white folks being marginalized in US history like African Americans, Natives and other ethnic groups have been. So for white folks to tell African Americans to "get over it" shows how things haven't really changed much in a hundred years. We (white folk) are still in a more powerful position in society than those who are non-white, and to deny it is ignorant about the society we live in.

Yes, slavery existed elsewhere and still exists in the world. But we aren't talking about the world here, we are talking about the USA and its history and you can't compare one country and its slave history with anothers, they just won't be the same experiences.

Taualumna 11-11-2004 06:36 PM

This brings me to ask this question: Why aren't Irish-Americans all that upset with Notre Dame's mascot? He's kind of stereotypical and the Irish were a marginalized group until recently.

Tom Earp 11-11-2004 07:10 PM

Well, maybe it is trying to make a point in cheek!

MoonShine, no ariesrising it is not! It is just frome being tired and dealing with inepitudale people who do not have the ability to ask for what they want because they just point at the picture of the package.

Point, hell, I have many items that are next each other!

I am not a friggen mind reader.

Oh on and on, for stupidity is not my time line!

Oh Tide Detergent is to get the dirt of anything out of?????

Oh, it is white, as it is borax that helps beat the hell out of your clothes to make them clean up their act! and the stank from having to work;)

IvySpice 11-11-2004 08:07 PM

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Why aren't Irish-Americans all that upset with Notre Dame's mascot?
In part because it's very much _their_ university and _their_ choice to use the mascot. It's not something that non-Irish people created to make fun of them.

Kind of like it's fine to talk about how fat your own mom is, but telling somebody else that their mom's fat is rightfully considerered obnoxious and rude.

kddani 11-11-2004 08:23 PM

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Originally posted by Tom Earp
Do not ever try to tell me that there was never Bondage among white people, Irish, Itialians, Asians, South Americans, Mexicans and many others.

I think any search of the internet will reveal websites that explicitly detail and even have video and audio of bondage between these groups.

Oops, wrong type of bondage. My bad.

rebelsweetheart 11-11-2004 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by valkyrie
Although "yellow" face or "red" face doesn't have the same historical context of blackface, I would still find it rather offensive. To me, it's far worse if a while person does black/red/yellow/whatever face than if someone of another race does white face -- since white people are in a position of power in this country and pretty much always have been.
Maybe I’m just a misinformed, unsympathetic Southern white girl, but it seems like minority groups (not exclusively African-Americans) rightfully demand equal rights. My problems come the same people feel that they can bypass rules because they are a minority. I am truly sorry that minorities (especially African-Americans) have been treated so poorly in the past, but the only way to get past this racism is for everyone to leave it alone. This means minorities cannot demand special treatment and they cannot scream racism whenever something bad happens to them.

But hey, that’s just how I feel.

CaliPhiSig03 11-11-2004 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by rebelsweetheart
My problems come the same people feel that they can bypass rules because they are a minority.... This means minorities cannot demand special treatment and they cannot scream racism whenever something bad happens to them.


Those are my sentiments exactly, and this is coming from someone who is only 1/4 (or possibly less) white. I'm sure that in this case, the guy who did the whiteface will be punished a lot less than the original offenders.

hoosier 11-12-2004 12:51 AM

Wrong.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Senusret I


1 - The Transatlantic Slave Trade is what built this country.

2 - The legacy of the Transatlantic Slave Trade is what keeps this country divided.

3 - There is no escaping the effects of slavery.


1 - Wrong. There were only slaves in the agricultural southern states. The northern states had a capitalist economy

2 - Wrong. I didn't hear it mentioned in the recent campaign. If you can cite any law in any jurisdiction keeping minorities down, please post such.

3 - Wrong. (Altho it may be true as long as the poverty and racism pimps like Jesse, Al, and the King clan find it financially advantageous to promote victimism.) If Bill Cosby's message could get out, who knows how much progress could be achieved quickly.

Our Vietnamese, Chinese, Cuban, and Korean friends have shown how hard work, sticking together, and positive goals - not victimization - leads to success.

DeltaSigStan 11-12-2004 01:06 AM

Re: Wrong.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier

Our Vietnamese, Chinese, Cuban, and Korean friends have shown how hard work, sticking together, and positive goals - not victimization - leads to success.

Don't forget Filipinos :D

preciousjeni 11-12-2004 01:09 AM

There were slaves throughout the country, not just in the south. When slaves were "freed" in the south, slavery still existed in the north. They weren't made to free their slaves.

valkyrie 11-12-2004 01:19 AM

Re: Wrong.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
Our Vietnamese, Chinese, Cuban, and Korean friends have shown how hard work, sticking together, and positive goals - not victimization - leads to success.
Wow you guys, I must have been absent the day they taught about how white people went over to Vietnam, China, Cuba and Korea and forced people living there to get on boats and brought them to America and sold them so they could do work for people.

Why are so many people trying to say that the struggle of black Americans is equivalent to that of any other race? I don't think it is.

moe.ron 11-12-2004 03:22 AM

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Originally posted by jubilance1922
Based on your name, I'll actually explain this one:

Majority and minority have NOTHING to do with numbers! It has to do with who holds the power in the society...

Would you like to try your answer again?

Ok, how do you explain the AWB?

Senusret I 11-12-2004 07:35 AM

Re: Wrong.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
1 - Wrong. There were only slaves in the agricultural southern states. The northern states had a capitalist economy

2 - Wrong. I didn't hear it mentioned in the recent campaign. If you can cite any law in any jurisdiction keeping minorities down, please post such.

3 - Wrong. (Altho it may be true as long as the poverty and racism pimps like Jesse, Al, and the King clan find it financially advantageous to promote victimism.) If Bill Cosby's message could get out, who knows how much progress could be achieved quickly.

Our Vietnamese, Chinese, Cuban, and Korean friends have shown how hard work, sticking together, and positive goals - not victimization - leads to success.


No, I am not wrong. You happen to disagree. There is a difference.

SigmaChiGuy 11-12-2004 09:58 AM

Re: Re: Wrong.
 
Senusret I, you're wrong. When was the last time Hoosier wasn't wrong? Never. Now, shut the hell up and go make me some egg-rolls.



Quote:

Originally posted by Senusret I
No, I am not wrong. You happen to disagree. There is a difference.

jubilance1922 11-12-2004 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by moe.ron
Ok, how do you explain the AWB?
Perhaps if people used real words instead of acronyms, I could. But alas, AWB could stand for anything....

moe.ron 11-12-2004 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by jubilance1922
Perhaps if people used real words instead of acronyms, I could. But alas, AWB could stand for anything....
Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging

The Afrikaner neither hold political power, they are the minority in term of the population, and economically, English speaking whites and the Indian dominates. So, they are a minority in every categories, yet they espouse racist ideology.

Little E 11-12-2004 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by preciousjeni
There were slaves throughout the country, not just in the south. When slaves were "freed" in the south, slavery still existed in the north. They weren't made to free their slaves.
I'm really not trying to be rude. But I think I must have missed this day in history class. I thought that slaves had been emancipated before the war in the North. And that the civil war was the result of tensions in Congress over slavery yes or no? I mean, they pre-determined the legality of slavery in the western states as those states were being incorporated and they based those decisions on the north/south divide.

Again, I am actually curious if I misunderstood history.

Lindz928 11-12-2004 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by preciousjeni
But you can move somewhere else and not experience these issues.
Sorry to jump into this thread, but I just have to say this. ANYONE can find somewhere to move where their race is in the majority, or at least not the MINORITY. Every city in this country is not just full of rich white people who want to look at you like you are about to attack them. In the place that I grew up, I was the one looked at like I didn't belong because of the color of my skin. But, I'm not complaining about it... I chose to change my surroundings, and anyone else can do that too.

I do think racism still exists (on EVERY side of it), and I do think it is wrong. But, I also think it is wrong for people to expect a handout or special treatment because of the color of their skin. I think hardwork will get anyone anything.

I am sorry if you have experienced people acting like you did not work hard and earn what you have gotten. I think that that too is wrong. But, don't look at all of us and assume that we will all think the same thing.

I say, take each person for who they are, don't assume anything.

Ok, I'm gonna go now. Thanks for listening. :)

mrblonde 11-12-2004 12:32 PM

<-- pouring gasoline all over this thread, striking a match...


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