OMG... I haven't been on GC in months, but it is funny to me how the first thing I ran into were threads on socieites. A few of my sorors and myself almost came to blows with some Que Pearls at my school for blatanly throwing up the pyramid and ooping. Before this happened, I had no problems with Que Pearls...I talk to one a regular basis. I just felt like this was something that never should've happened. If you want respect, you have to give. These Pearls feel as though since they were brought in by Bruhs, they took the spot of the Deltas here on the yard. I politely informed that Delta Sigma Theta does not have a brother organization and that whenever I decide to be OWT with Bruhs, that is exactly what I will do. But one thing that you will not do, is disrespect my organization. You choose your path, and I choose mine so let's leave at that. I just feel that whatever a person decides to do, it is best to uphold that standards that your organization or society sets.

I hate to hear about sorors "almost coming to blows", especially over things that aren't even official with orgs that aren't official. That is not our standard. Take a lesson from ducks.

I've known members who have joined auxilary groups that have also gone on to become very active and hardworking members of abc,xyz,etc... sorority
I think it depends on how you carry yourself, but one should always be careful who she associates herself with...I just wouldn't do it.
On a personal note, I do think licence plates with auxilary letters on them are somewhat ridiculous.....especially after 21 years of age.

Did you read ladygreek's comments above? These groups (with the exception of the Iota sweethearts) have been illegitimate since 1990 when the NPHC banned them. Therefore it doesn't matter how they carry themselves. They don't exist except for in their own minds.

I know this may a dumb question but there are none of these at my school. What exactly ARE auxillary groups? Why were they created? I mean why didn't those people just join sororities or fraternities themselves instead of making an extension of it?

A quick search brought this up.

I understand they are not actually recognized however somewhere in the world someone will express interest, join one, and possibly go on to join an actual sorority......
If it is known that these auxilary groups are present on a particular campus I feel one should "look before leaping".....

If they are present on a campus, one should not leap at all.

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Auxiliary groups have always been a big debate no matter what campus you go to. After joining my frat, I was two-sided about auxiliaries. I believe they are harmless if they respect the fact that they are not a sorority and do not need to compete with Greek Letter organizations. However, most of the time this doesn't happen and you get all these conflicts on campus. Also, these auxiliaries have been sometimes labeled as "groupies". All in all, I think that if they just respect themselves and and respect other sororities on campus and know their place, it'll all be alright. Either way, we can't stop them. And to all who dont know, they ARE official. Iota Sweethearts are part of the Iota constitution. KKI and AAI are independent and official INCORPORATED organizations. AAI has it's own national headquarters, their own national conference, and their own intake for membership. Whether an Alpha chapter is affiliated with AAI or not, a group of girls can join on her own...you can't stop 'em. What we, as fraternity men, need to do is to education these young women about being a part of these orgs. Tell them the pros and cons. Tell them that they cannot disrepect the sororities because they themselves are NOT one and dont have the historical background like one. If they want to rep and make their calls, sure....go ahead and let them, they worked and earned it. But the disrespect has to stop.

Boy, this thread will not die...

Why should it be up to fraternity men to "educate" these women?

So he chose THAT to be his first post, huh?

Even this this is super old, I feel the need to include my opinion. Being a newly initiated member of Iota Sweetheart Auxiliary, I can honestly say that the "beef" is GREATLY exaggerated. Especially by closed minded people. On my campus, which is an HBCU everyone, hearts, frats, and sororities have a mutual respect for each. I was an individual before I was a heart, and honestly only lames really dwell in such nonsense. I have plenty of sisters who are hearts and went on to be AKA's, Deltas, SGRHOS and Zetas, and are very active in BOTH of their orgs. As with any group whether it be by race, class, or any genre...a few individuals can stigmatize a whole group... yet, it should not take away all the good that hearts do. In some cases some hearts do more work than all the sororities combine. Respect is given, when it's received. If you do your research, for every 10 sorors...at least 4 were hearts. That's fact! Even some of the founders of Delta were Alpha Sweethearts....read it in their book In Search of Sisterhood. Please research deligently and chose what's in your heart to do.

Lies.

I don't really say a whole lot, because within this forum, my Soror's tend to TCB! However, YOU are SADLY MISTAKEN!
I don't know who or what you are or are WANTING to be (or even understand your attempt to introduce yourself within this forum), however, I HIGHLY suggest that you take your lies and means of deception outta the Delta Forum!
If you wish to perpetuate these beliefs in YOUR mind, that's fine, but don't make the attempt to do the same here! You are outta your mind if YOU THINK or honestly BELIEVE that this will fly within this forum.
The thread was old and YOU should have kept it that way and just moved on.
Perhaps it is YOU who should re-read the book In Search of Sisterhood, by Soror Giddings and perhaps, your attempts at cognition and understanding will take form, place, and shape, if at all.

LAMES...I find that many who have a problem with hearts...are threaten by hearts..and if they are as "insignificant" as you claim they are to be...why perpetuate hate and exaggerated instances that you truly don't understand... I am a legacy of Delta...so when I speak of Delta, it is with the knowledge of 4 generations that came before me...not me mindlessly and carelessly talking out of my ass like many tend to do to make their point valid... I have respect for the history of all the Divine 9 and their history...but sadly many of the chapters of these orgs are becoming a mockey...because people lost sight of the very core of their orgs. It's not to throw up a sign, partywalk, do a call, are wear nalia every single day. It's to give back to the community..even if it means not asking in returning....the founders are probably turning in the graves to see their orgs being misrepresented by people who lost the vision they had. I can go on and on and on...but I have my opinion...and you have yours. Bottom line...I love being a sweetheart..and I love all my hearts that are in sororities...RESPECT is what it boils down to. Being HUMBLE, and knowing who you are in your letters and not letting the letters define the individual is the key factor. If you dislike...dislike based on our personal interaction...not simply because Im a heart. Many Deltas I personally know were Kappa Kittens, Sigma Souls, Alpha Angels, Omega Essence and Iota Sweethearts....and they simply don't care for this "beef" so why should you?

Your post was LAME.

Why should you? Are people's opinions bothering you?

Auxilliaries are one of those topics that are discussed on message boards ad nauseam but are not an issue in real life for most people. Auxilliaries don't really exist on most campuses and, years after undergrad, I have only met a couple of women who talk about their auxilliary membership.

As for your "I'm a legacy" and "Divine 9 has changed" rant, we've heard that over and over again. You know very little if you aren't a member, just like the many legacies of D9 orgs who will be aspirants for the rest of their lives. Legacies need to be humbled when they believe that the membership of their relatives grants them inside information or certain rights and privileges.

Oh, hush! There isn't a single chapter meeting going on anywhere in this world where the members are discussing ways to circumvent the threat of bogus auxiliary groups. No one cares about the "beef" BUT you so get a life.

And your legacy means nothing to anyone but you and it doesn't give you the credentials to speak on matters of which you are on the outside of and merely looking in.

Why don't you consider the legacy of the complete sentence, which you have bludgeoned to death by the overuse of ellipses...

I am doing a paper on the topic of auxiliary groups and BGLO's, and although I have heard(seen) many people say that NPHC banned "little sister's" I have not been able to find proof of this...if anyone has anything stating that. Give me a shout.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!

LOL

I seriously just LOL.

Is your paper on all of our auxiliary groups or just the ones that we no longer affiliate with? If the latter, it doesn't make sense to do a paper on those we no longer affiliate with as international organizations. However, some orgs have youth (little sister/little brother) groups and also adult auxiliaries. Are you writing about them? Do you even know about them?

Like it obviously has been communicated to you time and time again, with the exception of Iota Phi Theta, we don't have collegiate auxiliaries. If you don't believe it, call our headquarters and ask.:rolleyes:

Each member of the NPHC is run autonomously. Enuf said.

That is a good question. I myself pledged to be a Diamond of Kappa Alpha Psi, Fraternity Inc. of Greta' Beta Chapter, and found that the experience was both positive and negative for me. I am Konduktor, 1 Klub, 10/27/98 @ 4:58:55, one in twelve parts. This experience was great, the bond between me and my sisters was wonderful. I was active in meetings, held a position in our RSO:Krucial Diamond Productions, as secretary, which I held and executed with great honor. We strolled, went to a Kappa Sweetheart Konvention, traveled, did community service, held events, had a Kappa Sweetheart Ball & I was appointed Mrs. Achievement, the whole wammy. However, when it came time for me to join a sorority, I was met by feelings that since I was already a Sweetheart, their attempts to "make" me were harder and resulted in the termination of everything because one of us got hurt.

harder how? or is this just what YOU think :confused:

And your point being?

TMI :eek:

I am very much interested in this topic and am ALWAYS saddened when I see much of what has been said from both sides of the fence. It seems to be more than a bit absurd to hear sweethearts of any org speaking negatively about sororities; however, the reverse is more common.

It is truly ironic to see ladies in sororities bash sweethearts given the HISTORICAL connections between the two groups going back, for some, to the VERY BEGINNING. It is silly that women who would bash the decision to become a sweetheart then spit the names of women who DID see value in the choice of becoming a part of that group. Odd, don't you think? Those ladies who chose to do both are no less outstanding women of dignity and grace. Unfortunately, information gets lost because some founders and historical figures are better known than others and the history becomes myth, myth becomes whisper, and the whispers eventually disappear. We then have PERSONAL disagreements between individuals that turn into a lack of perspective and historical understanding. Sweethearts who attempt to belittle the joining of sororities are just as ridiculous. That need not be elaborated on. BOTH groups should be ashamed for such behavior.

There is a reason why many sororities have sweetheart songs and references- it is because they have had these connections for decades. Sweethearts were ladies of honor and respect, worthy of becoming the wives and girlfriends of their fraternity counterparts. They were not groupies. Many DID join a sorority afterward and some ladies in sororities found it to be a good way to see just how hard the young lady would work for their own chapters, IF they were so fortunate as to be chosen.

Sadly, many of these standards have changed, but ladies, haven't they for EVERY organization? I hear stories all the time of some young lady in a BGLO disrespecting herself with a fraternity member. Just last month, I was informed that someone saw a stripper that had on DST letters in a club and I almost choked. It's despicable and embarrassing. Although I have my loyalties, it is frustrating to see ladies of ANY sorority participating in less than respectable behavior. It makes the organizations and their members look bad.

Let's face it- there are both sweethearts AND ladies in sororities who are participating in unacceptable behavior. PLENTY of them. That said, there are JUST as many ladies who are upstanding, respectable individuals from both. It is time that we stop looking down on each other and, for those who are both, to take pride in it. As long as you are a woman with the proper values, attitude, and work ethic, there is no reason for sweethearts to shun sorority women, or vice versa. If you are lady of good character and proper morals, THAT is what should matter. Let's stop giving folk a hard time if, but-for that one organization, they are superb candidates...from both ends...

...and it's strange that someone would say that aux orgs do not exist because they are banned. Although I am long out of undergrad, it is clear that they do from those younger folk who talk about them. The fact that they are not acknowledged is poor logic if you had a process because that too is banned. Such a statement would suggest that one's process did not exist either. Or maybe it didn't. It's 2010, after all. Can't we all just get along?! :-)

LOL.

Word to the wise: There are many things that aren't important unless you insist on making it important.

LOL.

If you don't hush.

Let me start by saying I WAS an Omega Pearl. And yes when I attended undergrad, sweethearts were not groupies and if fact many did become members of the D4.

But it is obvious from your response, that you are way out of the loop with today's collegiate scene. All of the frats, except for Iota have banned collegiate auxs. And there are reasons for it. Many of these groups attempt to get around it by forming their own infrastructure and claiming autonomy from the frat. But come on, do you really believe that Kappa Diamonds, or Sigma Doves exist solely for their own benefit?

Lastly, your sentence about banned processes makes no sense to me. Perhaps you can expound.

Yeah. ;)

But, there are still BGLOers from the 1950s-1960s who had negative perceptions of male and female sweethearts and advised their family members to never become one for a number of reasons. I guess that's another campus-by-campus variation.

LOL. I was wondering if that post was worth reading.... I guess now :rolleyes:

my first gut busting laugh of the day. thanks DS :)

DrPhil:
I do agree- things are only important if you give them weight. Things have been shared with me recently about some undergraduate ladies from a few sororities (read: two), who have had an issue with a few other young ladies who were in an aux org. They were upstanding individuals, so it really shouldn’t have been important, but it was made to be…we lose quality women that way and they go elsewhere. That is a sad thing…

…and yes, from the very beginning is correct. The truth is, we all want to believe that we have been told all that there is to know. While fraternities get caught up in how “hard” their processes were, we get caught up in knowing EVERYTHING there is, when we can’t. I do not claim to know everything, or even most things- I strive for new knowledge about life, not just in the greek world, daily. That said, if there is one thing I know- the connection was from the beginning. Most folk aren’t going to know that, so I don’t blame the skepticism. Some were just better known than others.


Ladygreek:
You said that you were an Omega Pearl. That’s remarkable that you put that comment in past tense. If you had some kind of process with those men, they must have entrusted to you some valuable and private information. Although I have no immediate allegiance to that org, it saddens me that you would throw away such a connection.

I understand the feeling that, should you have become a member of a D9 org, you have ascended to “greater” things. Truly, I do. But the idea that you would pledge something and then disown something else is a red flag. I would be nervous to share information with any young lady who was so willing to throw any process away. All I could ask myself is: would she do that with my org?

And, you’re right, I am not in undergrad anymore, but I have plenty of family and mentees that are. I am well informed that aux orgs have been banned. I understand why. With the onset of pledging, girls are a liability because they can be hurt. Many fraternities would not be able to recover from such a lawsuit. That said, they do still exist and operate on a regular basis on campuses across this country. That is clear, or this post wouldn’t exist…to respond to your final statement, of course the aux orgs aren’t autonomous. They were never meant to be. It just seemed irrational to say that something doesn’t exist because it is banned. I’m sure some of us can think of a variety of things that people do that aren’t allowed, but are still done…jaywalking maybe? ☺

LOL. If I had a dollar for every Dove that claimed to hip me to some knowledge they learned about the frat because they were aux I would have two dollars.

Sorry but I can understand why Ladygreek refers to it in the past tense, because it is the past. Look I respect every Dove that comes to me, and I keep in contact with a Dove I made that is now an AKA. (Yeah I know, but I'm older and wiser now and learned my lesson from that experience.)Yet at the end of the day you don't exist. Maybe in the past (because I'm a late 90's frat) these auxiliaries had some pull..maybe. The reality is though you are on the same level as the social club that filled out a req and is recognized on the school campus. You don't have real knowledge. You know what we want you to know and even that can be found on the internet. Anything deeper than that believe me you don't really want other frat to know that you know this.

Here is a rule you need to learn quick. The greek world is very small. Just take my word for it, don't learn it the hard way. Be happy in your social club-dom and don't stray outside your circle.

^^^ I like this guy. Let's keep him.

:)