Morris Brown is stil functioning, but as you said enrollment is low. They will need to be accrediated again and I don't think they are close to that. It will be a serious up hill battle and with out a steady influx of money, I personally don't see it happening. Shame too. MBC is the only school in the AUC founded by Black people.

I said :

To say that there is no concrete evidence that there was a paper bag test at Spelman and here are some examples of students who would not have passed a paper bag test.

I found a 1969 article on this in JSTOR.

There should be more stuff out there, even if schools are better at covering their tracks. :D

Yep.

Black Alumni Reunion always seems to conflict with the Delta midwest regional conference. I have yet to attend one, although it is planned by my soror. :(

My first school asked for photos, because they published a freshman facebook and sent it to us before we arrived on campus.

I know a couple of schools that did a freshman facebook. Those are interestingly pointless. :)

I only have personal evidence. It may not be like that for everyone admitted. I concede that point.

In hindsight, in the late 1980's, Spelman barely had the computer support equipment to generated card identification. Spelman did not have a lot of things I had cavalierly thought everyone in America should have. Back then, I was young and naive. That is my personal story.

Well, yeah, we are passing on some stereotypes about some HBCU that are notorious for have these "tests".

Many people from the Atlanta Metro area have come right out and happily told me all the inadequacies of a Spelman education while I was going there. Their stupid comments made a huge impact when I was harshly treated by the Spelman Admin.

I remember a lot of girls, besides myself, crying profusely due to lack of "social assistance resources"... And I say all this to say in the late 1980's, Spelman Admin. had a piss poor plan for kids in mental/physical trouble. The **** I went thru--let's just say it was paltry after I found out a lot girls had been physically/sexually abused and were trying to slit their wrists.

Let me say for the record: A Spelman Education is DIFFERENT from ATTENDING Spelman. My education was MORE that scientific and technical--it was a time of a truly Spiritual rennovation and recreation of myself and my entire world. It took >2 years after graduation for the Spelman-mania to wear off in my hiatus in SoCal. And to this day, I still am nervous when I set foot on that campus no matter what new buildings are there or how beautiful it has become.

Spelman will always be my alma mater, I met some great ladies there who ofter remember me. Spelman did prepare me for my current successes. It would be a lie to for me to say that it did not. And Spelman still is about cultivating women to acheive. And IMHO, Spelman's plan to do that thru alumnae associations is poor. I pay my Alumnae dues and I donate to the funds.

I like to think that I know what it takes to get African American girls to womanhood out of any college. I have been doing it nearly 20 years at all universities I have attended. And on the eve of my professorships at a PWI, I already expect to get routed all the Black kids who are suffering in the sciences, then wondering how I made it...

Well, YOU KNOW Mrs. Gebre-Hewitt, Dr. Bayse, Dr. Rena Jones, HAYLE, Dr. Jann Primus!! You really think they LET me give up on myself? Really? That care can be re-paved.

Even my husband had Dr. Clark, Dr. Mapp, and Dr. Story at Morehouse... Of course his dad paved the course...

I am sorry but I graduated from Southern and am finishing my masters at PVAMU and for the first time I have no desire to continue my education at a HBCU. I could tolerate the foolishness undergrad at Southern but now that I am a grown women who realizes I am paying for this, I am looking for doctoral programs at PWI's now. I just don't understand why we have to be so unorganized. How hard can it be?

I will spare you the details but I really feel like my masters is a series of power points and take home test (which I do appreciate :)) but the lack of organization is disgusting, the lack of wanting more for the University and the fact that I would work on my doctorate there if someone would just be ORGANIZED! :mad:

@ Eclipse,
You sound so defensive. I don't think anyone intended to target Spelman. We all know it is a great school. Heck, my step-grandmother didn't pass the brown paper bag test at Howard. She exceeded all of the minimum qualifications, got positive responses until she had to submit her picture (and back then they were only black and white.) Then came the rejection letter. And she didn't tell me all of this until my daughter applied to HU, because she hoped it still didn't exist. Thankfully it didn't, because my daughter would not have passed the test--okay, maybe barely--she was Minnesota pale when she applied. LOL.

So it was not just Spelman, but I suspect all of the "elite" HBCUs--yanno the Our Kind of People HBCUs. And the fact is, it did exist. The fact that is doesn't now is a positive.

I hate to say it, but that is the very reason my daughter sought out a PWI for her MBA. She looked at the program rankings and job placement numbers and the only HBCU that was even in the ballpark was FAMU--but it was/is not accredited. (But I still think that it is one of the best B-programs.)

I started a message at home this morning before work and my laptop started acting koo-koo!


I would definately have to agree there! McVicar (is that right?) was not known as a great healthcare facility. A friend of mine (who happens to be a physican now--she of course was premed then) was having major chest pains on afternoon and I called McVicar and they would not come to the dorm--LLC--even though it was right behind the Infirmary. I also remember a girl who everyone knew "threw up" (that's all we knew then--it didn't have a name) and the only thing I knew is that folks tried to get her to eat.


I certainly agree with you on the total Spelman education! I didn't take most of the professors that you mentioned and I think some of them came after my time (like Dr. Primus; I do remember when she made her transition though) I was an Econ major so I tried to stay out of Tapley as much as possible! LOL

Ladygreek, you really think I sound defensive? :confused: I certainly don't see it that way. What makes you feel that?

Its rather sad:(

I can say however that their President does seem to be concerned about students. I emailed him and I got a response both times, and Wend. someone personally called to apologize to me I was like whoa! I just have to bad a taste in my mouth. I mean I'm not some chicken head running to the mall with a loan check, 18 year old.

I've heard a lot of stereotypes pertaining to the school I attended. I went to Alabama A&M University. A lot of people say they won't go there due to it being extremely ghetto. There have been people killed on campus. I have been told you shouldn't go there unless your major is music or education. I was a computer science & mathematics double major. To be fair, the mathematics department was on point. However, the computer science department sucked. They didn't have enough computers in the classrooms to accomodate the students. Needless to say, I ended up transferring to another school. I love AAMU, but you know your school is ghetto when you chant "AAM, AAM, AAM, AAM, U woooo a booty booty." I still claim being a bulldog, and I still go the homecoming. Also, you know something is wrong when the dancing girls constantly change their name.

"Alabama A&M. Rich in Heritage Divine....."
Normal's Hill brings all types of thrills.

Well, I went to Grambling for undergrad (in the late 80's) and when I got down there (all the way from Michigan), I was so excited to be associated with an HBCU with so much history. My excitement wore off real soon once I saw how money was being mismanaged and how nepotism ran rampant in the administration. Don't get me wrong, I am all for hooking people up, but they need to at least be QUALIFIED for the job.

At Grambling, our President left under strange circumstances and then that started a "revolving door" of Presidents for the next 15 years. Then we all heard about the accredidation fiasco, and Gramblinites know about the "buy a brick" scam leading up to our Centennial.....

Although I love "Dear Ole' Grambling", I look at it totally different now. I went back to homecoming recently and didn't recognize the campus or the atomosphere.

I went to Michigan State for grad school and while the social scene wasn't on and popping, a lot of things were handled differently. I registered in 5 minutes, over the phone. I had housing, I had my stipend/fellowship ready for me when I got there, and on and on and on. But strangely enough, even though I lived in Detroit after I graduated (1 hour away from MSU), I NEVER went to homecoming, but I would go all the way back to Louisiana for Grambling's homecoming or the Bayou Classic. I guess that speaks to the impact that HBCU's have on our lives.

I agree I loved Southern despite the foolishness, but I also think I could tolerate it at 20 years old. I am almost 30 and I can't deal with that now. I graduate from PVAMU this fall and don't think I will want much to do with the school after I finish which is so sad. HBCU's produce some our brightest and most successful people, but if they want to keep them and bring prestige and class to their schools they are going to have to step up their game!

Sister-Greek, could you pm me about the scam. I was there 89-90.

That was one of the things I loved about attending Tuskegee!!! When I had to transfer I was :mad::mad::mad::mad:x100! But I LOVED being there and knowing that BTW and other influential AfAm's put that school together. I may have lived in the oldest dorm on campus, but I loved every minute of being there.:)

Well Soror, the trick is that you actually get a graduate degree, presumably a Doctorate+ at a PWI, then you are s'pose to come back!!! :rolleyes: ;)

Spelman has asked be a twice to come back.

My husband has been asked several times to come back.

Neither one of us want to live in Atlanta anymore. Nothing against the ATL, just don't want to live there anymore.

I don't know. To me it just felt as if you thought people were wrongly attacking Spelman. I'm glad that was not the case, because I think this thread had been very enlightening.

I love Tuskegee. I feel like an honorary student because I was there so much. "Don't need no competition. All we need is pride, so get on that Skegee train and ride ride ride ride. Get on that Skegee train. Hey Hey Hey!!!"

"The T, the U, S-K-E, the G double E. Tuskegee. Wooo, wooo, woo"

I also love those Gamma Kappa AKAs strutting their stuff by their tree.

[QUOTE=Live_Wire17;1459376]That's right...if you can survive registration at a HBCU...you can survive ANYTHING! j/k (but serious)

You are so right! I am proud to say that I attended a HBCU as well. I couldn't have made a better choice. While attending college, I made lifetime friends as well.

You know it shouldn't have to be like that! There wa a time I couldn't even go to a PWI in Houston, HBCU's should want to produce more doctors!

<---------- Tuskegee graduate! :D

You are right... But with Affirmative Action, the other schools could dance circles and outcompete us versus when we were segregated. That's a whole 'nother conversation.

The best most HBCU's can hope for is being filters for the larger schools they partner with in the city...

Unless you are Bethune-Cookman that can take an immediate lock on the area. The nearest larger university in it's class is maybe Orlando... But you have University of Florida, Florida State and few smaller schools dotted. University of South Florida and Miami University. Jacksonville, too. And you will be competing against FAMU for dollars. To me, the president of Bethune-Cookman made a very strong strategic alliance making the school a Master's bearing university in Florida. I think it is great and very wise. Not to be biased, but the president before her did not have the foresight. Believe me, I KNOW! :rolleyes:

I did not feel that people were attacking Spelman, I just hate for misinformation to get out there about something that I love and hold dear. I am sure you understand that. I was just asking for some clarification on the paperbag thing.

i don't think what she said was ignorant. it was just her harsh opinion. some Blacks don't wannabe around all Blacks all the time. i'd prefer a pwi to a hbcu because they're all the south and those southern accents aint the business.
don't feel bad. your degree is just as good as a pwi.

I graduated from Grambling in 2000 and nothing has change since you left!

I turned mine down from Sk'eegee too. I got the same reaction from the HBCU'ers in my fam.

Point taken.

Could you clarify? If you mean 'All HBCU's are physically located in the south then that is incorrect.

^^Have you read the rest of this person's posts. I am not sure that engagement is wise.

I shall take a look.

ETA

Interesting...looks like a
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LOL! And it's a goth troll.

When I attended Grambling, I would get asked where I attended school and after I would reply, I would get "Gambling University?"
"Um, no. I didn't stutter, I said GRambling State University."
"Oh. Is that in Texas?"
"No, Northwest Louisiana. Closer to Arkansas."
"Oh. Near New Orleans?":mad:
*sigh*
Ninjapoodle shakes head, turns and walks away...