So far I've heard of two GC people lampooned on LJ, one of whom from GC I am close with. To this day I still don't know who's responsible, but everybody's so damn quick to blame the H&A. Riiiiight. I suppose we're responsible for the fake Antonin Scalia one too?

What Rudey was talking about was the community, made of up of several GCers -- a separate forum of sorts. The community's closed, however, so in order to view the posts in that forum, you'd have to be a part of the community.

Who's the H&A? ( I'm not in to GC that much to know all this stuff)



As far as the community, is that something like the mod forum? For the hierarchy?

The H&A roster is classified. People like to call it a "clique" and bitch about it, so let em.

There are 2304283498234986234762 communities on Live Journal you can belong to. Communities are formed based on similar interests, for example, AGD has our own, as does most sororities, fans of Harry Potter, fans of tiny titties, you get the drift. Membership can be public or private.

As I said above, and have said on many other threads -- I don't feel like I have anything to apologize for when it comes to my conduct on GC, and I don't feel like it's my business to apologize for my friends' behavior. Apparently many others agree with me on the first count because I have received dozens of PMs telling me that I have represented Tri Delta wonderfully and not a single one telling me the opposite.

While "it's just the internet" is not an excuse for hurting people's feelings, I have to say that I just don't understand -- and maybe never will -- WHY someone would hold back from posting their opinion just because they know people are going to disagree. If what the H&A does is considered "bullying," I've been bullied multiple times on GC and never complained. (Politics forum much?) I want to ask you, and anyone who disagrees with you, what is it that you fear will happen if you post something that disagrees with what I/we say? That you'll get "flamed"? Why is that so scary? IMO, it's natural that people are going to disagree on this board, and that is not something that should frighten anyone into not posting. If it does, there's a problem -- not with the environment of GC, but with why that person feels that way. Like I said above, people are blaming the H&A for why they're leaving GC, and that's ridiculous. They might not like the environment that's partially created by the H&A on GC, but they are the ones that are either choosing to stick around or leave. Everybody who posts on GC has a hand in creating the environment that the board consists of -- and believe it or not, not everybody loved the environment of the board BEFORE the H&A came along either. There are far more people who have left for more banal reasons than "GeekyPenguin made me cry!" than have ever left because of the H&A. We all make the decision to stay on GC or to leave it on a daily basis -- anybody who's posted or lurked here does.

GC is going to change -- it can't stay the same forever. You notice how every single person who comes to the board eventually says, "It's not the same as when I joined"? Whether they joined in 2000 or 2004, they view the time they joined as the Golden Age of GC. And like I've said, I was not thrilled with the board last summer. So what did I do? Instead of complaining, I made friends with GeekyPenguin and damasa, I started bonding with the people on the board that I still liked, and ultimately . . . the H&A was born. Clearly we have become a force that has, as y'all have put it, "changed the atmosphere of the board." You know what? We like it better this way. Most of us prefer it to the way the board was before! And so, if you guys are so pissed off at the way the board has changed, I challenge you to change it back. If it's possible for people to "run other people off the board," why don't you try to run US off the board? It's clear you'd like it better that way, so why not do it? Or, make like the H&A and IGNORE the posts you don't like and post more of the stuff you do. Wouldn't that, in your opinion, be a change for the better? And since the non-H&A outnumber the H&A on this board a million to one, wouldn't it be pretty damn easy to do so?

Because I'm going to be one hundred percent honest here: I don't care that we "ran Kitso off GC" because you know what? I like it better now that he's gone (ditto for most of the others we've "run off GC"). I don't care that the H&A are the only ones responding to certain threads because, hey, we're having fun -- and chances are I don't really care if you are or not. I don't care if you are put off by the fact that five of my friends responded negatively to your post and you felt "bullied," because that's your deal, not mine. Yeah, this might be selfish -- and no, I don't care about that, either. Sorry.

PS: To everyone who thinks this thread should die, every time you respond it just bumps it back up to the top and probably incites at least one new response. That whole "ignoring" thing works wonders!

from someone not in the "cool" crowd --

the H&A is a group of GCers who feel like they have special permission to be mean to people who aren't "in."

They were founded for other reasons -- I'm sure because they had things in common with each other -- but it's grown into a small cluster of folks who gang up and attack.

Don't ask who's in; they won't tell you. You're not cool enough to know.

Don't ask how they choose who's the next victim; you're not cool enough to be privy to the selection process.

Don't suggest the H&A is behind ANYTHING -- after all, everyone's innocent, this is just the internet!

And DEFINATELY don't suggest any specific GCer is responsible for anything the "H&A" has done. That'll earn you post upon post of "NO ONE CAN PROVE IT WAS ME!"

YES.

Best lines EVAR.

If they feel the need to leave. Let 'em.

Let me get this straight.

If every time you post something that me or my five friends disagree with.....

and if every time that happens, we all gang up and attack....

that's your problem?

You are the one who chooses how to deal with it, kiddo. Personally, when somebody disagrees with me or "gangs up on me" on GC, I say, "C'est la vie" and get on with my life. I have enough confidence in my opinions and in the fact that I have great things going for me that I don't need to bring what happens on GC into my real life.

Now, if you want, you can also choose to be supremely offended, cry about it, quit GC -- I just don't think those reactions are justified.

As the cliche goes, life is 1 percent what happens to you and 99 percent what you make of it. People like Hootie and Kitso decided that being around GC was not worth it anymore, and despite our differing opinions on many subjects, I actually respect them for this one -- 100 times more than people who sit around GC whining about how everything's changed and the whole board sucks more. It's kind of like the people who sit on their asses all day eating potato chips but then complain about how fat they are . . .

You know, I have sat back and watched this thread from the beginning.

I truly think that the people who are bitching about the H and A are doing the SAME thing they complain about. I also think the H and A get a very bad rep.

Do they stick together? Yes. But, so do many other groups of friends. They just give themselves a name.

For those who are upset about not knowing who's in... It's not an unbreakable code. Hell, I know and I have only been on for about a year.

The ones that they "run" off of the board? Are they such wimps that they cannot take a little ridicule on an ONLINE chat board? Seriously. We are adults. The ignore button is there for a reason.

Do I agree with EVERYTHING posted by the H & A? No. But, neither do I agree with everything anyone else on this board posts.

If you don't like the H & A, too bad. I don't like someone on here, but it is quite evident she isn't going anywhere anytime soon. So, do what the rest of us do and suck it up!

I personally like the H & A... They have always been sweet and kind to me (and completely honest if we disagree). They have had my back on more than one occasion...

You know, I think if they'll have me, I'll apply for membership in the H & A. The board is more interesting with them around.

Yup. The losers have private sections and public sections. Can you believe they sweat me so much that they put up my name and info under their interests in the private section? Does this scream desperation? Of course it would.

I mean seriously they take GC and create livejournals about it, they meet in AIM chatrooms to vent about GC...it's funny.

-Rudey

If it was entirely up to me, you would be a member in a heartbeat!

We'll hold an H&A pow-wow to discuss potential membership . . . ;)

But I agreed with one hundred percent of your post -- I just know that, coming from me, the opinion would be entirely disregarded. Hopefully you'll get more respect.

Maybe they discuss you because they think you're hot.

Are you hot? Maybe you need to nominate yourself for Mr. GC Hottie.

Ditto. This thread is getting ridiculous. BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND, please.

well, hur hum, if my PM box is any indication, hur hum, then why hur hum we all are missing the point, hur hum, and maybe people should get some more sun, hur hum, i'm getting nicely tan and i'm loving it, hur hum, but if my PM box is any indication, hur hum, then by god the HA/anti-HA/anti-anti-HA/Death Squad/macon magnolia/women who pretend to be their daughters/women who pretend to be other women/men who smoke ganja/men who smoke men/women who hur HUM are WAAAAAAAAAAAAY out of line.








most of you make no sense. it's brutal, useless, and quite silly. Get the f- over yourselves.

No, but people can be more careful. YOU DO NOT SEE THIS HAPPENING ON THE NPHC boards. If a perp is even suspected, it's goodbye for them. Like lifesaver said, this is the biggest issue in my mind. It's not an HA/Livejournal/exposing someone's name which I have no idea about thing...it's FRAUD.

Thats pretty funny.





My 2 cents on this whole thing:

While I do think it's pretty pathetic that people keep live journals about GC and the people on the board, I do share sandy's thought that if someone wants to run off GC then let them. I'm a prime example of how someone can take a bunch of ridicule, get banned, get banned again, and then get banned again and then still stick around and actually post. :D People have tried to dicredit me, called a liar, fake, pyscho, racist, bald and everything else you can imagine and then do it all over again several times. Hell, some people have even sent an email about me to a whole sorority and managed to find a pissed off ex of mine. ;) That backfired and only proved that I wasn't a liar about being involved with chicks from that GLO....but thats another can of worms. My point is, if I can go through all that crap and still stay here, post and then talk about it all in a laughing manner.....that says a lot about characters like mine as opposed to characters of others who got so offended that they left. Nobody is ran off from this site, people choose to leave. If there were a sure way to rid this site of people, I'da been long gone as would dionysus. However, I do think it's wrong that you post up someone's personal pics and their information. Most of you here claim to love your GLO and represent it's ideals/beliefs. Its common courtesy and decency not to do something like that/on that level even if the other person isnt a nice person in your view.

As far as the witch hunt goes, if you stick around here long enough....and you're a controversial character.....it'll happen to you sooner or later. I was a controversial character because I spoke my mind, sometimes too much, and I wasnt in a clique. As a consequence I was burned at the stake, so to say, many times. I had a few cheerleaders but even they started taking heat from a few groups of the panties-wadded-up sorority and have since stopped posting here. I'm not saying there arent people here who "attack" others. There are. But why bother with them? Those people are just making up for what they lack in their life. And truthfully, I think it's because they feel inferrior outside the internet.


I'm too tired to keep typing...i might add more tommorrow in an edit. :rolleyes:

Well if its any consolation kids, I think the debate on this thread has made sure EVERYONE and their mothers know about Mullet.

Mullet? What about Mullet?

LOL

i skipped what you said because you said Hur Hum to much. but were you dissin on ganja? and if you were. DONT YOU EVER. and i mean EVER. do it again.




...well even if you did, i would probably be too stoned to do anything about it.

meh

And this post, folks, is why James is so cool. :cool:

.....Kelly :)

I don't think many people who have posted on this thread know much about the situation - Jules and Valkyrie were letting us know info we probably would not have found out, but for a "Where is Mullet" thread sometime in the future. I think it was a solid idea to do so, and I'm not sure any of us should be judging their reasons for doing it; again, we're not the ones in that situation.

This is yet another reason why I don't post too much stuff personally about me - honestly, quite a few people on here could be fakers. The only person who REALLY knows anything about me on this board is KSigRC, and that's because he's a pledge brother. Sometimes I'm really surprised by how much personal info people are willing to post on a public message board.

To Jules, hope this all works out ok.

i heard you both were fakes..

i also love how since people are friends with/chat with others on this board they are automatically considered mean. it's fun.

true...i actually never even went to college, i'm the guy who walks around by Fenway and passes out the flyers on how to be saved by the Lord.

i go into internet cafes and pose as a college student by day though...something to pass the time.

LMFAO :D :D :D

so that's you?? i was wondering who it could be that annoyed me so much!

I do appreciate the heads up especially since she started her thread about moving to New York. I guess that's a lie also. I didn't give her any personal information about myself, but I might have if AXJules and valkyrie hadn't blown the whistle. So thank you and take care.

Co-sign. I actually asked this person to PM me so who knows if I would have divulged personal info to her? Thanks girls for the heads-up.

How much personal info can a person named winneythepooh actually have to dish out? :cool:

Well she did "say" she was working for a non-profit. I work in a non-profit and get excited when I find out others do, especially if it is in my field. What if she asked what agency I worked for? That's just one thought but, even though I don't know the whole story, the women who posted about this woman definately think there is a cause for people to be aware. I guess it is just another lesson that the internet is something we shouldn't take for granted in terms of our safety. Sorry, I have skipped over the past several pages of threads, if I missed anything else.

the thing is, we don't know if her thread about moving to New York was a lie or not. I tend to think it was the truth, especially since wouldn't she be right around graduation age, starting a new job, etc.

Then, sometimes i log in as my alter ego and quote myself, saying I agree - it's not b/c collin and i are pretty similar in terms of likes and dislikes, or the fact that we were essentially common-law married for 6 semesters in college, but probably b/c we're the same person.

You never see us in one place, do you?

For. Damn. Real.

Honestly, that remark was uncalled for.

Antonin Scalia is a public figure. That's a little bit different.

The reason everyone's blaming the H & A is because GP had a post about the fake honeychile LJ in her live journal. If she didn't want the H & A to get blamed, she should have made it friends only.

Lets see my name is still on their livejournal interests section. That's normal and fine right?

The sad thing is that I know AXJules didn't approve of the way these freaks harassed and stalked me for months. But because she didn't post initially, since there was talk of how mullet had "penetrated" their little group, and all these posts of this imaginary online group defending themselves...well because of all that, AXJules case, which was valid, was intertwined with their stuff.

-Rudey

This has to be the most politely worded, Fuck You Very Much, I have read in a long time.

I got a genuine chuckle, and respect your honesty and bluntness.

I think this half of what people wanted, a mere admission that you (the H & A) are a clique, that the clique likes to be mean as a group, and that not only are you quite aware of this, you glory in it.

Fair enough.

Of course the other half of what they wanted was for you gals to chill out and stop it :p

Well, I do what I can.

Although I think you are misinterpreting the post. I did not say that the H&A likes to be mean (although I think there may be one or two members that get more of a kick out of it than I do). I don't think there is a single one of us who sits down at our computer in the morning and says, "Hmmm, who am I going to be mean to on GC today?" I simply said that we don't shy away from it (which is pretty much a felony on this board) and that sometimes we enjoy the results.

I'm just not sure what people expect from their complaints? Does somebody honestly think that if they start enough "We hate the H&A" threads on GC (bullying, what?) we'll suddenly say, "Wow, we really ARE mean! We must stop, repent our sinning ways, and apologize to everyone for making fun of their boyfriends/makeup application/dogs! We're horrible people! People forgive us!"?

In fact, these posts about how mean we are probably have the opposite of the desired effect -- I'm like, "Well, I don't think I've ever been particularly mean on GC, but since everybody assumes I am anyway, why not start calling people ugly when I feel like it?"

Just some food for thought . . .

Damn, H&A is once again under attack by those agents who are apart of the matrix. Damn yall, get over yourselves. It ain't that serious. :rolleyes: That is unless you actually meet some of the people you post to.

Imperial1

Exactly. Its not like any of the H&A have "inside every fat person is a skinny one screaming to get out" in our sigs. THAT is mean.

uh, you're talking about self-proclaimed ENJOYMENT out of being mean to people vs. a signature that's there all the time.

little different.