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DSTCHAOS 07-26-2008 11:10 AM

This thread is still circular and I'm surprised that people who want to defend the existence of this law don't come with legislative references in their back pocket. There are some claims that aren't easily defended but legislative claims are cut and dry and readily found if you're looking.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure what's in this link applies to every instance where a brothel law is claimed:

http://index.truman.edu/PDF/2004-200.../Page%2013.pdf

breathesgelatin 07-26-2008 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SycamorePike (Post 1686654)
Here is the link to Time Magazine, an article on Terre Haute, which was Boom City, USA back in the day. This article was written and soon after, the legislation for the Brothel Law in Terre Haute was put into place.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...8978-1,00.html

Oh man, that article is awful. Check out this quote:

Quote:

Police Chief Glen Means explained that prostitution was a "necessary evil." Because of it, he says, "there was not a single case of rape in Terre Haute last year. Oh, a few college girls hollered rape, but it really wasn't."
:eek::eek::eek::eek:

And that's only one of many.

But yeah, the article doesn't mention a brothel law of any kind.

lawgal 07-27-2008 07:59 PM

I could not resist joining in on this one, regarding the alleged "brothel law" in Detroit. I did a search of all the Detroit Municipal Code and the Zoning Ordinances and Wayne County Code and Ordinances. The result: no law prohibiting sororities having houses (or women's dorms). Sec. 38-5-5 does prohibit the following:

"Sec. 38-5-5. Disorderly house, house of ill fame, gaming house, etc.– Keeping of same prohibited. No person shall keep, within the city, any house of ill fame, house of assignation, or house for the resort of common prostitutes, or a disorderly saloon, barroom, tavern, beer hall, grocery, theater, room, ordinary house or building of any kind, or any house, room or building for gaming with cards, dice, billiards, nine- or ten-pin alleys, wheels of fortune, boxes, machines or other instruments or devices whatever, or shall in any manner contribute to the support, carrying on or keeping of any such house or place. "

Obviously does not apply to sororities. Also the only Zoning Ordinance refering to unrelated persons living under the same roof dealt with single family housing. Again not applicable to sororities.

I would love to see any citation that the poster can find on the/any Detroit brothel law applying to sororities. A newspaper, magazine, or Wiki article are not legitimate legal sources.

I actually find this thread pretty funny. What are they teaching in some colleges now that these supposed college students or grads can't get the point of this thread? (Thinking, research, checking sources, proof....?)

SycamorePike 07-28-2008 02:00 PM

I did my research and I found out that there was no law put into place in Terre Haute about the brothels. Although according to some older alumni, the local police were very watchful of the sorority houses at the time. Brothels were being started in old sorority houses on Farrington Grove and led to the relocation of all the sororities to Lincoln Quadrangles. Alumni of the sororities pushed for their respective chapters to move to the Quadrangles because they didn't want the name of their sorority tarnished by brothels and prostitutes. Only one sorority didn't push for the removal of sorority houses, Sigma Kappa, and they still have a house near campus today. Alpha Phi, Alpha Chi Omega, Alpha Sigma Alpha, Chi Omega, Delta Gamma, Alpha Omicron Pi, Gamma Phi Beta, and Zeta Tau Alpha all have stairwells that are four levels of rooms that hold four or five ladies per room.

That was where my research led me. No brothel law, but a recommendation that never got passed in legislation.

MysticCat 07-28-2008 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SycamorePike (Post 1687429)
I did my research and I found out that there was no law put into place in Terre Haute about the brothels.

Glad you could come back and admit it. ;)

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Although according to some older alumni, the local police were very watchful of the sorority houses at the time. Brothels were being started in old sorority houses on Farrington Grove and led to the relocation of all the sororities to Lincoln Quadrangles. . . . No brothel law, but a recommendation that never got passed in legislation.
I'd take this with a big grain of salt -- still sounds like urban legend to explain the current circumstances to me.

Tom Earp 07-28-2008 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1687437)
Glad you could come back and admit it. ;)

I'd take this with a big grain of salt -- still sounds like urban legend to explain the current circumstances to me.



Hm, then why bring it up?;)

It has been pointed out so many times that is is Called BS!

5Knowledge1913 08-31-2008 07:44 PM

WOW. I have never even thought of sorority houses as brothels. That doesn't even make sense!

Quote:

Originally Posted by adpiucf (Post 802291)
Claim: _ Sororities are outlawed on certain campuses because local "brothel laws" prohibit more than a specified number of females from living together.

Status: _ False.

Examples:

[Collected on the Internet, 2001]
Sorority houses are illegal in PA. Due to a 19th century law banning more the 5 unrelated women from living in the same house. This law supposedly was meant to prevent prostitution houses.
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[Collected on the Internet, 1998]
Well, my alma mater is Denison University. Dogs were part of the landscape when there were fraternities on campus. There are no fraternities there anymore. I was in a sorority, but we weren't allowed to live in the sorority houses (old town law about more than 8 women in a house constituting a brothel).
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[Collected on the Internet, 1997]
I have a friend who goes to Loyola New Orleans. They cannot have sorority houses because more than five girls in one house is a brothel.
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[Collected on the Internet, 1995]
I have heard from the ol' rumor mill that the reason that sororities don't have houses at the University of Chicago is that there's some sort of local/state law which defines four or more unmarried women living together as a brothel.

Variations:

* The number of sorority sisters that would supposedly trigger the "brothel" designation varies from telling to telling, with six being one of the more common figures kited.


* This legend is told as true on any number of U.S. campuses, always by way of explanation for each school's lack of sorority houses.

Origins: _ This mistaken belief has been recorded since the 1960s and is probably a great deal older than that. Its possible origin might lie in a mental confluence of half-remembered tidbits about old time "blue laws" mixed with a healthy dollop of badly-parsed newer input about zoning laws adopted by various communities in more contemporary times. Short and sweet, if any so-called "brothel laws" anywhere tie a building's classification as a bordello to the number of occupants, we've yet to find documentation that proves this.

Some municipalities do indeed have zoning laws prohibiting more than a specified number of non-family members (male or female) from living together, but not even in those cases would a household in violation of those codes be labeled a brothel.

Brothels earn such designations solely on the basis of what goes on in them, not upon how many women inhabit particular buildings.

Even in communities that carry such housing restrictions on their books, sororities and fraternities are exempted from them. The thrust of such laws is to set limits on how many people may reasonably inhabit what were meant to be single-family dwellings, not to enjoin those who are living in more communal settings in buildings meant for such purposes. Were such laws to apply to those latter forms of housing, local YWCAs would have been shut down and padlocked, as would a variety of nurses' residences.

Collegians have been explaining the lack of sorority houses on various campuses through this flawed factlet for many a year. Richard Roeper noted this legend in 1994, calling it "the most widespread piece of university folklore making the rounds" and estimating from entries on collegiate bulletin boards that it was being told on at least 100 campuses.

The belief that a "brothel law" bars live-in sororities from campuses is so deeply worked into the fabric of collegiate life that few now think to question it. In 1998 a group of eight students at Tulane University unsuccessfully searched city and state laws for the statute, finally concluding they'd been on a wild goose chase. "It was not found in either city or state codes," Adriana Belli, one of the student researchers, said. "We looked in every law book, every ordinance in New Orleans . . . dating back to the 1800s."

We routinely hear from students who are convinced their particular university lacks a sorority because of this non-existent law. Their vehemence aside, none have yet produce a copy of the statute they so firmly believe in, an act that would earn their city and institution of higher learning a measure of fame in the world of contemporary lore.

Men view the notion of large numbers of women living together as strangely erotic, mentally envisioning a veritable candy store of comely and available sex partners, each of them bedding down for the night virginally clutching her teddy bear close to her babydoll-clad, pulsating 38-24-36 nakedness (which they wouldn't if they'd ever been locked in a women's dorm overnight — nothing kills rampant sexual fantasy more quickly than a cold eyeful of reality.) Add to the mix the "college girl" element (young, nubile flesh) and throw in the "sorority girl" detail (presumed promiscuity), and it's easy to see why this tidbit about brothel zoning has been so stubbornly promulgated.

courtesy of www.snopes.com


one800thekiller 09-02-2008 07:32 PM

I am a Junior Political Science Major, and i promise you that even the presence of such a law on any states books, would break so many different national regulations

so please...just stop...arguing on behalf of this ridiculous rumor, unless you have a link to a state government site, with a copy of that law, word for word on the site.

honeychile 10-14-2008 09:16 PM

Penn State actually admits that there is no Brothel Law online! Found this here:

"Myth: There are no sorority houses at Penn State because of an old Pennsylvania law that defined a dwelling that housed a certain number of unrelated women as a brothel.
Fact: Sorority houses did exist on the University Park campus, and there is no such state law nor any University prohibition against sorority houses per se. The first sorority house on campus was Stone House (a former faculty residence), which in 1928 became home to a women’s social club, Nita-Nee, which became Kappa Alpha Theta in 1930 and occupied the house until 1949. Other sororities also had campus houses but, like KAT, moved out of these aging structures soon after World War II and into newly available suites in residence halls. The sororities rented the suites from the University—as they continue to do today. The advantages of residence hall suites and the high cost of private housing in the post-war era discouraged off-campus sorority houses, although the borough of State College, in its zoning laws, makes no distinction between sorority and fraternity houses."

AlphaDeltaDelta 12-02-2008 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 802310)
That was always the story we heard when we asked why Boston U. didn't have any sorority houses. Then we learned it was because of a horribly uptight administration (the same reason there were no fraternity houses on campus).

There used to be houses (for fraternities, never sororities as far as I know) on campus at Boston U, but they got pissed at the fraternities and gave the locations away to the MIT fraternities that now live there.

WaterFay13 12-15-2008 11:47 PM

I go to Susquehanna University and all our frats and sororities have houses. But there is a Brothel Law in the town. I thought this was kind of funny 4 of my friends signed a lease to move off campus next year and one had to sign as a maid cause apparently in the town if 4 or more girls live in the same house/apartment its considered a brothel, made me laugh lol

Senusret I 12-15-2008 11:49 PM

I wish you would read this whole thread.

Unregistered- 12-15-2008 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 1731055)
Penn State actually admits that there is no Brothel Law online! Found this here:

"Myth: There are no sorority houses at Penn State because of an old Pennsylvania law that defined a dwelling that housed a certain number of unrelated women as a brothel.
Fact: Sorority houses did exist on the University Park campus, and there is no such state law nor any University prohibition against sorority houses per se. The first sorority house on campus was Stone House (a former faculty residence), which in 1928 became home to a women’s social club, Nita-Nee, which became Kappa Alpha Theta in 1930 and occupied the house until 1949. Other sororities also had campus houses but, like KAT, moved out of these aging structures soon after World War II and into newly available suites in residence halls. The sororities rented the suites from the University—as they continue to do today. The advantages of residence hall suites and the high cost of private housing in the post-war era discouraged off-campus sorority houses, although the borough of State College, in its zoning laws, makes no distinction between sorority and fraternity houses."

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaterFay13 (Post 1755031)
I go to Susquehanna University and all our frats and sororities have houses. But there is a Brothel Law in the town. I thought this was kind of funny 4 of my friends signed a lease to move off campus next year and one had to sign as a maid cause apparently in the town if 4 or more girls live in the same house/apartment its considered a brothel, made me laugh lol

Your incorrect assumption about brothel laws made me laugh.

33girl 12-16-2008 10:39 AM

And there is no brothel law in any other town in PA, either. It's either zoning laws or landlords who have gotten screwed over too many times by things being under sorority names instead of individuals' names.

DrPhil 12-16-2008 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1755032)
I wish you would read this whole thread.

That kills the high of potentially being THE ONE with the answer to THE QUESTION. :)

ASTalumna06 12-16-2008 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaterFay13 (Post 1755031)
I go to Susquehanna University and all our frats and sororities have houses. But there is a Brothel Law in the town. I thought this was kind of funny 4 of my friends signed a lease to move off campus next year and one had to sign as a maid cause apparently in the town if 4 or more girls live in the same house/apartment its considered a brothel, made me laugh lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1755032)
I wish you would read this whole thread.

Forget reading the whole thread... you just have to read the title!

ATinsyBitLazy 06-02-2009 04:15 AM

If a sorority isn't recognized by the school, there's really nothing stopping them from getting a house, is there? I mean, even if the law was real. You could just have a few girls registered as living there but actually have more...

Croakies n Bows 08-02-2009 05:56 PM

I remember when i visited Rhodes in Memphis my junior year in high school someone in the group asked why the sorority houses where so small and the guide told us that it was because of a brothel law in tennessee. Could this be true? i mean not that there is one, but maybe the school thought there was one and banned girls living in the houses. Basically the houses are only big enough for chapter and maybe dinners there but thats about it.

pshsx1 08-02-2009 06:45 PM

I just might e-stab you.

MysticCat 08-02-2009 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Croakies n Bows (Post 1831537)
Could this be true?

No.
Quote:

i mean not that there is one, but maybe the school thought there was one and banned girls living in the houses.
No. The administration at Rhodes is not that stoopid.
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Basically the houses are only big enough for chapter and maybe dinners there but thats about it.
Many campuses have lodges of that kind rather than houses. That's just how they prefer to do it.

ASTalumna06 08-03-2009 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Croakies n Bows (Post 1831537)
I remember when i visited Rhodes in Memphis my junior year in high school someone in the group asked why the sorority houses where so small and the guide told us that it was because of a brothel law in tennessee. Could this be true? i mean not that there is one, but maybe the school thought there was one and banned girls living in the houses. Basically the houses are only big enough for chapter and maybe dinners there but thats about it.

Living in PA, I hear a whole lot of people mention the "brothel law", especially because a school as large as Penn State doesn't have sorority houses. But just as equally, I hear people mention Tennessee. I tend to think they believe this applies because of those "Stupid Laws" websites, like this one http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ee.html?cat=17 and this one http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/tennessee etc.

But that's exactly what these things are... stupid laws. Every state has them, but I guarantee that if you looked through current laws, statutes and the like, you won't find any mention of a certain number of women living in a house constituting a brothel.

And even if this was a law, there would be a ridiculous number of people trying to get it changed, if for no other reason than it's extremely sexist. There's no way in hell it would hold up today.

lovespink88 08-10-2009 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pshsx1 (Post 1831551)
I just might e-stab you.

How did I miss this before? LOL!

33girl 11-24-2009 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by thomasstuart (Post 1869566)
Hello Friends.
I read your entire post well I have heard of this so much. I also remember being told in undergrad that we couldn't put letters on our house because it was against some town code or something.

The letter thing might be true. There are definitely, however, codes against being such a dumbass that when you put spam in the signature you forget to link it.

NinjaPoodle 11-25-2009 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1869589)
The letter thing might be true. There are definitely, however, codes against being such a dumbass that when you put spam in the signature you forget to link it.

http://www.siyclone.com/forum//style...spitcoffee.gif

MimiLovesDZ 12-19-2009 06:00 PM

A lot of girls still thinks this exists but it doesnt, at wayne state university the sororities cant have houses because if one has a house they all have to and everyoe doesnt want one or isnt willing to pay the money for one.

honeychile 12-20-2009 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1813912)

Some places don't allow an X number of unrelated people living together in the same house.

The suburb I live in doesn't allow more than four unrelated people to reside in one house - but that's not for brothel restrictions, it's to keep group homes for the handicapped to a minimum. I guess they don't care about prostitutes yet. :rolleyes:

33girl 12-20-2009 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 1876629)
The suburb I live in doesn't allow more than four unrelated people to reside in one house - but that's not for brothel restrictions, it's to keep group homes for the handicapped to a minimum. I guess they don't care about prostitutes yet. :rolleyes:

You live in a classy neighborhood. LOL.

LaneSig 02-02-2010 10:22 AM

The Kidd Kraddick in the Morning Show, a nationally syndicated radio show based here in Dallas addressed this issue this morning. One of their personalities, Jenna, is a Delta Gamma from Miami University. She claimed that there were no sorority houses at Miami due to "11 women living in the same house is a brothel". I called in to dispute it, but this show is notorious for not taking calls from male listeners. I was told they would pass on the information. Yeah, I'm sure.

TitaniumGene 02-13-2010 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 802310)
That was always the story we heard when we asked why Boston U. didn't have any sorority houses. Then we learned it was because of a horribly uptight administration (the same reason there were no fraternity houses on campus).

That's true. Some universities just don't want any Greek life which would apply to all fraternities and sororities. It seems unlikely that you will find a school with only fraternities and no sororities.

33girl 02-13-2010 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumGene (Post 1896613)
That's true. Some universities just don't want any Greek life which would apply to all fraternities and sororities. It seems unlikely that you will find a school with only fraternities and no sororities.

Having houses has nothing to do with having chapters of sororities or fraternities at a school.

MysticCat 02-13-2010 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TitaniumGene (Post 1896613)
It seems unlikely that you will find a school with only fraternities and no sororities.

Davidson College.

ADqtPiMel 02-13-2010 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaneSig (Post 1891906)
The Kidd Kraddick in the Morning Show, a nationally syndicated radio show based here in Dallas addressed this issue this morning. One of their personalities, Jenna, is a Delta Gamma from Miami University. She claimed that there were no sorority houses at Miami due to "11 women living in the same house is a brothel". I called in to dispute it, but this show is notorious for not taking calls from male listeners. I was told they would pass on the information. Yeah, I'm sure.

I went to Miami, and yeah, the "brothel law" thing was pervasive. My roommate was a campus tour guide, and some of the guides would throw that out as a fun fact during the tours. :rolleyes:

xxstardust 02-13-2010 08:43 PM

I just wanted to mention that when I met with my university president about Greek life at my school - he told us that they didn't have sorority houses at his college because of the brothel law! :D And he looked very disappointed to find out that it wasn't true!

ASAlamb 02-14-2010 05:01 PM

Building off of the brothel law rumor, a while back a woman on campus said that her sorority is called a women's fraternity because when her org was founded, a sorority was another word for a brothel. I've read that the word sorority didn't even exist until Gamma Phi Beta was founded... am I right in thinking she was ignorant/full of crap?

ASTalumna06 02-14-2010 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ASAlamb (Post 1896869)
Building off of the brothel law rumor, a while back a woman on campus said that her sorority is called a women's fraternity because when her org was founded, a sorority was another word for a brothel. I've read that the word sorority didn't even exist until Gamma Phi Beta was founded... am I right in thinking she was ignorant/full of crap?

First of all... yes, she's full of crap :)

Just like fraternity comes from the Latin word 'frater' which means 'brother', sorority comes from the Latin word 'soror' which means 'sister'.

ASAlamb 02-14-2010 05:42 PM

I was aware of the greek roots, I just didnt know if it had a different connotation way back when. Thanks :)

Psi U MC Vito 02-14-2010 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06 (Post 1896870)
First of all... yes, she's full of crap :)

Just like fraternity comes from the Latin word 'frater' which means 'brother', sorority comes from the Latin word 'soror' which means 'sister'.


Frater in turn is derived from the Ancient Greek Phrater which means something like family. That is why there are Women's Fraternities founded after the coining of the word sorority by Gamma Phi Beta. They are just using the Greek meaning of teh word rather then the Latin one.

33girl 02-14-2010 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASAlamb (Post 1896869)
Building off of the brothel law rumor, a while back a woman on campus said that her sorority is called a women's fraternity because when her org was founded, a sorority was another word for a brothel. I've read that the word sorority didn't even exist until Gamma Phi Beta was founded... am I right in thinking she was ignorant/full of crap?

Well, there was this fun thread.

But considering the other group on your campus is too old for that shiz, I would just tell her to get off her high horse and feed it some oats. :) The word didn't exist when they were founded.

ASAlamb 02-14-2010 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1896887)
Well, there was this fun thread.

But considering the other group on your campus is too old for that shiz, I would just tell her to get off her high horse and feed it some oats. :) The word didn't exist when they were founded.


Your link just leads me to the reply form for this thread :confused:

I will probably just let this slide since we are currently making huge efforts toward a stronger Panhellenic spirit :D. Hopefully the whole chapter doesn't think that sorority = brothel though!

33girl 02-14-2010 06:33 PM

Phooey, I fixed it. Try it now. :)


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