Karamo, Karamo, Karamo. . .why why why??? Why must you be gay? Anyhoo, gay or not what the heck was that gyrating dance that you and Dorian were doing. :o :eek: :confused: That dance and the last five minutes of the show had me speechless. On another note, I really don't like that Melanie chick. She just annoys me every time she talks.

Washing my eyes out with bleach
 

I still cant get over that dance between him and Dorian. the image will not leave my brain. For some reason, i have no problem watching Eddie and his bf Dan kiss. It didn't shake me like watchin two Black men rubbing all over each other. Maybe I am not as accepting as I thought. No, I take that back. It he is gay that is his perogative. I have just never seen anything like that before in my entire life.

well...i still not over this episode....
the touching
the DANCING
LAWD the DANCING...
never seen anything like that before
in my life...

I am with you futurestar
I can watch Eddie and his man...
but Karmo and Dorian...
....makes me skin crawl....
i dunno why...
i have no problem with
how people choose to live their life
and whom they want to live it with....
but um....watching those two
just...made me GAG a bit....

I haven't seen tonights episode and I'm kind of reluctant to watch it when the reruns air. I'm with the rest of you all. I don't think I can take Karamo being intimate with another man. Watching Willie and his BF was cool but I don't think I can stomach watching Karamo.

Is it just me....or.... when they show Karamo saying "Doooooooooorrrrrriiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaan " that is just kinda gives you the willys!
*shudder*

OMG:eek: When I was watching the show I was saying the same thing. I can deal with Willie because he has feminine ways, and also because Karamo said in the beginning that he wears tims and tims. I just can't fathom in in that light. It was really hard to watch....especially the kissing at the end.

Oh by the way that club that they went to. What about my cousin who is gay goes there, and I went there with him last New Years Eve, and all I can say is it was a very eye opening experience. I'm still tripping off all that I saw that night.

I've been an innocent bystander at a gay club before and I have seen some thangs :eek:. But the grinding between Karamo and Dooooorrrrriaaaan took the cake. It didn't make me uncomfortable, it just irritated me to see 2 attractive black men getting their grind on.

I think what also irritated me was how Doooooorrrriaaaan said he was a ladies man and now all of a sudden he's gay. It made me wonder:

1. Do the women in his past know that he has "switched teams" ?
2. How many other men are living like this? :rolleyes:

BASIL, BASIL, BASIL............. I tell you what, Karamo and Dorian are perfect examples John Basil...... I am all for black love and everyone deserving to find that person to share their life with...... it's just harder to see two John Basils' on primetime versus reading about them in a novel. My girls and I don't use the term "DL" because we remember a time were "DL" simply meant on the "QT" on the "Low-Low" i.e. keep your freakin' mouth closed. Now if your familiar with E. Lynn then you'll know what being called a "Basil" means.

I feel what you saying...I don't say DL either for the exact reason
you stated....and you so right about the whole Basil thing....
thats the word I shall use...THANKS

The thing that disturbed me the most ..is not soo much that Karamo is gay , but that he still seems like he is trying to hide it. I mean he can't hide it now because he has told the world.However, he still has this attitude that "I don't look gay, I don't do "gay" stuff." Just think about the comment he made about Dorian.
He was like I didn't know he was gay. that's probably why I liked him. Then he gets to trippin' about the cameras being in the mix. I don't know he must be fresh out of the closet. It makes me wonder how he was conducting his life down here in Houston prior to. He just still seems shady to me. If you are gay, be gay. I can handle that better than the whole "DL" concept. Just be honest!


OH and that dancing seen clearly had me gasping for air.

Its not the fact that Karamo and Dorian are gay.. Its the fact that these two attractive, intelligent black men are unattainable to black women, and therefore it illustrates the fact the "pool" of available "candidates" for black women who are seeking relationships with black men seems to be shrinking.

Its just dissapointing to see evidence of one the hurdles I have to overcome as a single black women looking to date a single black man. :(

At least they're not on the DL now

That's a good point. We know how hard it is in our everyday lives, and it is jarring to see something like this playing out on national TV. Then again, I admit I get some of the same feeling when I see attractive, intelligent black or black/multiracial guys becoming unattainable to us through crossing over to date other types of women. I'm not talking athletes or entertainers, just the average college-educated, professional man.

I get the same feeling for the same reasons. It can be disheartening sometimes. Make no mistake, I'm very confident in what I have to offer, and I know I'm a good person who is deserving of a mate, it just can be so disappointing to see sometimes.

I heard him say he was gay, I saw him go to the gay cloubs but it just didn't register until I saw him with Dorian. That whole scene with the two of them hanging out was just like damn he really is gay. They look just like any other homie walkin around the block. That's just not what you expect to see when a guy says he's gay. You wanna see him flamin, and act crazy sayin things like ok girl. just proves times are changing

Times aren't changing, men have been gay since the bible days. There's nothing new under the sun. The fact is that not all gay men are overtly gay. The issue here is that you've, been shall I say, enlightened or made aware of the other side of the homosexual male.

Yes I think Karamo is just out the closet about his being gay. What I mean is in Houston I think his boys know, but he just came out to his family right before he came on the show because he didn't want them to find out that way. I liked what Dan told him...he was like you knew from the jump that the camera's were going to be around, so stop tripping about that and get your groove on. It was still very hard seeing him and Dorian kiss and cuddle and what not. Karamo is one of those Homo-thugs that they talk about.

I said the same thing to my husband a few days ago. It really wouldn't surprise me if someone from MTV's crew called the police just to stir up a little controversy - especially since Karamo had been talking about his issues with white people before it happened.

Okay I watched the Karamo Dorian epsiode today and I was like WHOA!! I guess because he doesn't fit the sterotype, I am so taking! I just expect him to pop up on some tabloid "REAL WORLD HOAX: KARAMO NOT GAY" and it's all for publicity. I guess hey if he likes it I love it, but man. The guy Dorian seemed "gay". I guess I didn't expect Karamo to be so maculine. Even after I found out I thought he would start to appear feminine or I would notice little things. But I am convinced I would NEVER think he was gay flipping through the channels. It almost seems like he is pretending..Yall I'm really trying to recover.

I finally watched the episode. It didn't affect me as much as I thought it would, I guess because I braced myself for what I was about to see.

Anyway, I feel for his family. He stated how his sisters cried about his revelation and his father was upset. Him being gay was probably the last thing they'd expect. I also understand why he wouldn't want to display his intimate moments on national television. He was probably thinking of his family and their feelings. You see how all of us have reacted to the episode, just imagine the way his family is feeling about it.

Dorian's comment about him trying to be a ladies man and a jock made me a little uneasy and it made me thinkg back to college. I remember having a conversation with some friends in undergrad about some questionable guys on campus. Some of those guys had been rumored to be gay or on the DL, however you want to put it. All of them were ladies men and overly promiscuous. We always thought it was a cover up for the other lifestyle they were living. You see how far men will go to keep the secret hidden.

the Koroma-dorian epsode kinda disturbed me. It just felt wrong. I just can't grasp the reason why people decide to become homosexual. I dunno.:confused: Two fine black men kissing each other is kinda depressing. Oh and 'm not trying to offend anyone this is just my opinion.;)

Finally caught a re-run
 

I finally caught a rerun of the "dancing" episode and I think it was shocking for me to see two brothers that I never would have thought of as gay getting it on...

I can't wait to see what develops between those two. I wonder will Karamo's family come to visit?

I like Karamo!
 

You know, Karamo is really ok with me.

#1. I don't see him as a "Basil" or a man on the DL. For as long as he has been on the show (which is really all that we have to go on, unless anyone knows him personally) he has been completely honest about being gay. I haven't seen him deny it, be with a woman to cover it up, or even lie about it to a woman to make himself feel better. I guess these are the characteristics that I associate w/being in the closet or on the DL.

#2. I understand him not wanting to be classified as feminine or weak, which is how most people are comfortable categorizing gay men. I don't think that this means that he is hiding anything or is being false. I just think that it means that he is not what we expect, so maybe we need to expand our definition of "gay man." It is similar to when white people are uncomfortable with educated or well-off African Americans. Well we aren't trying to trick them or hide our "true ghetto-selves". We are just being who we are, and they need to realize that not all African-Americans are gang-banging, slang-talking, welfare abusers.

Now as a single, black woman, I do feel you on not wanting to see the pool of eligible black men shrink right before your eyes. I'm a little hurt by it as well.

Marie

Re: I like Karamo!
 

From everything I have heard Karamo say and how I watched him react to certain situations, in opinion he's a "Basil". If he was out and comfortable being gay, I don't think he would have waited to tell his family he is gay until right before the show aired. I also don't think that he wouldn't try to be so darn hard all the time. I have been around some of the most interesting and honest people in the gay community and they have said over and over that being "Bi" or a "Basil" is just denying who and what you are and using those labels is just an excuse to hold on to the very masculinity that they use to define themselves, hide amoungst others and justify their actions. There is a reason that African American woman are the highest percentage of newly diganoised HIV cases. I'm not saying that Karamo is it or homosexuals are..... we all need to watch our backs because there has always been a new player in town.... we just get to see them in action on primetime. JMO

Maybe I read the wrong books
 

I've only read 2 of the E. Lynn Harris books that have Basil as a character, so maybe I'm not clear about his personality. I thought that he lied to his girlfriend/fiancee/wife about being straight. I also thought that he cheated on his girlfriend/fiancee/wife while he explored his gay urges. I just haven't seen Karamo lie to anyone about his sexuality nor have I seen any evidence that he has been dipping behind someone's back.

He may not be comfortable with how his family will react to actually "seeing" him be openly gay, but he hasn't pretended to be with or even be attracted to women either. I guess that I feel strongly about this b/c my sister is openly gay now, but she was in the closet (at least w/our family) for many years. Although, she didn't come out as a gay woman, she also never pretended to be straight. I don't really remember her dating guys, or at least not having any serious relationships. I guess she was just a tomboy to all of us, who wasn't really interested in dating (and later a woman who was more focused on school/career than dating).

Just b/c Karamo wasn't openly gay in the past doesn't mean that he was out there lying to women or on the DL either. Just because many men are on the DL and are infecting their women w/AIDS doesn't mean that Karamo is. He is a good candidate to do it b/c he is not what we assume that a gay man should be. But how does that mean that he is definitely a cheater and a liar. I think that we are just assuming all this stuff about him, but it doesn't really seem to be based on fact or even on his own actions.

I guess that I just feel that you can be gay & in the closet or even bisexual w/o being a liar and a cheater.

Marie

Re: Maybe I read the wrong books
 

I am not saying that Karamo is out there infecting women with HIV. But it is an epidemic in our community and I am trying educate my students about awareness, and Karamo is a hot topic on college camuses nationwide. It has been my own experience at an HBCU (not FAMU, but I have girlfriends who went there) which has helped me form my own opinions. I have seen both men and women stuggle with their own sexuality all the while keeping up appearances by dating or marrying someone of the opposite sex. It has also been my experience with the women I went to school with and played collegiate sports with, they have accepted their sexuality more easily and didn't feel it necessary to conform to society's views on who and what they should be..... they didn't hide it, they embraced it. The men I know who are gay, don't find it necessary to take go to such great lenghts to hide it. I love the fact that MTV has brought this aspect of homosexuality to its most popular show. I am also happy that Karamo outted himself, I just haven't seen him free himself. I feel sorry for him because I have watched Karamo go from rage, to elation, to depression and I think in part he knows that he has lost the very sense of masculinaty and security that he used to mask his sexuality. He seems to be struggling with his choices and I'm sure it goes deeper than anyone can presume to know. Every woman in his potential dating pool (or those he may have dated) know who is, and if he has been with women in the past can you imagine how they may feel now?

Basil (baz'el), noun. 1. African American male of exceptional good looks, but quietly prefers the comfort of male companionship privately and publicly prefers the companionship of exceptionally attractive women. Often athletic, and prefers athletic type males. Not comfortable with openly gay male friends in fear that it may blow his cover. 2. Type of male species who often try to overcompensate masculinity for social acceptance to mask homosexual tendancies or behavior (i.e. the fake gun episode). See E. Lynn Harris books (Invisible Life, Just as I am, And This Too Shall Pass, If This World Were Mine, Abide With Me, Not a Day Goes By, Anyway The Wind Blows, A love of My Own or Love is Stronger Than Pride).

Is it just me or does Karamo seem to look "possessed" when he's on his gay prowl. To me, his whole appearance changed when he was in that gay club and even when he was sitting on the couch making out with his new man.

Maybe it was just me, but I got this feeling that he has some real issues from his childhood going on.

Well thi is an interesting topic. I have to say that I feel sorry for karamo as well. Being the psych person that I am, I can't help but to watch for underlying clues to his mental state and right now it doesn't seem healthy. You can see the battle with his sexuality all over. The depression and repressed memories or issues with his sexuality come out sometimes in the form of aggression. I mean don't get me worng the incident withthe police was foul, but the way he allowed that to linger within the home, like those guys were ever going to "feel him" was crazy. I even think that some of his anger with white folks and acceptance by them may be misplaced. It may not be about them at all.

Just my .08 cents

I meant to post this a few episodes back but I frogot. Tuesday's show made me think of it again since I saw it again. Did anyone did that on Landon's right hand, his index finger to be exact has no nail. It's kind of like a fat stub.

Interesting...
 

This Real World is good, but it is not as better than some of the past ones...except for San Diego. I really wasn't into that one too much. This is just my outlook on the cast so far...

Karamo: no comment...:confused: ...I take that back...DAYUM! He is still fine

Shavonda: very pretty, but is it me, or does she look like Irulan and Arissa from the the Las Vegas show? just wondering

Sarah: that girl is CRAZY!! She brings some spunk to the show!

MJ and Landon: They HAVE to be related!!! For real!!

Melanie: She is going to get cussed out one day!

Willie: He keeps it real to me...why? I dunno.

*The opinions expressed in this thread, is just that...opinions!*

Re: Interesting...
 

I was on this website called Television Without Pity and one person pointed out the Real World's penchant for picking Black women that "look biracial" and who all look alike. She called Arissa and Irula "Arissulan." :D

Speaking of Irulan, I wonder what's up with her and Alton... :confused: Are they married yet? Are they even still together? I am sure that they are because they were inseperable!!

Ok, I was watching the Real World last night, and I think Karamo is straight up bi-polar....that guy is really crazy.

Yeah, Karamo has major issues. One minute he wants to slit Landons throat, the next he's all cool with Landon; now if this fool told me he wanted to slit my throat so he could be the "alpha male," i'm going to leave his crazy butt alone. We would NEVER be cool!

EXACTLY

I don't care what anybody says, Alton is gay as all get out.

You think....really:p

I think Stevie Wonder can see that.