to me, because the frat has only been around for 5 years, that is more of a reason to get on them for not knowing it. 5 years of info for a local frat is A LOT EASIER to remember than 90 years of history for a sorority with chapters all around the globe. there is no excuse for them not to know the info, especially if they can still go eat pizza with the founders.


i didn't understand this either. i was like "dude, just tell them." but it was interesting to me that jon, who, if not of hispanic descent, is one of only 3 minorities in the pledge class, was like "dude, just put the shirt on" and "i think marty is making a bad decision by not wearing the shirt."

I don't think that Jon said anything because he has proven himself to be a spineless simp -- as they all have. Any man (young or otherwise) who is willing to grab his genitalia, stick his tongue out and salute as a form of respect is not sitting on the same side of the cafeteria as I am. The disrespect, the cursing, the hazing, the women . . . it is amazing that they were not thrown off campus earlier than they were. BTW, how does walking around with a rotten piece of meat on a stick prove that you want to be involved in something really great -- all that proves is that you are the kind of person who doesn't mind looking really foolish for no reason -- and that cooler full of goodies . . . way to go Kevin . . . eat that watermelon before giving them the finger. http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung0..._daumenpos.gif

http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung0...smilie_lol.gif I thought of the same thing because she has been getting a lot of camera time lately and those little bitty pigtails on her really adult size head with nothing to play with. I just really need her to see my hairdresser.

IMO, doing those things doesn't mean that they are the "kind of person who doesn't mind looking really foolish for no reason," rather it is a humbling gesture. the salute, as goofy as it looks, is okay with me. and also, i look at it like this: if you are willing to carry a piece of meat around on a stick for a week, you must really want this. and if you have that type of excitement and enthusiasm while TRYING to be a member, you'll probably carry it over once you ARE a member.

If someone wants to argue the benefits of putting people through what these boys are going through, they need to pick a different group of boys because this seems to be the worst case scenario of every situation they could be in. Case in point -- the kidnapping/beating of a brother to "bond" with the pledge class at the request of members.

If people will keep it in perspective, then carrying meat around on a stick for a week can be a silly yet bonding-filled learning experience that will bring them together in the brotherhood (I guess). It is that . . . along with the beach scene with the push-ups and the wind sprints . . . along with the push-ups on a busy street . . . along with the wearing of attire that is racially insensitive to the person wearing it that lends itself to things getting out of hand . . . which they did or the upstanding group of individually would not have been suspended from their campus.

Where is the culturally enriching aspect to what they are doing? Where is the charity work? Where is the mentoring? What can they learn from this display except how to get thrown out of school on their collective arshes? While in the midst of a job search, I watch because these boys (both the ones in school and the alumni that come back to the activities and the house to haze the group) are a big giant group of clowns and I laugh when thinking that this is what they should as opposed to what they should not do. Luckily, I read a few articles about what is going on with the chapter as a result of the behavior of these excited and enthusiastic neos and their wonderful prophytes -- it's not pretty.

All I know is that the scenes on the beach gave me chills. :(

I thought I was the only one...

Janelle's voice aggravates the HECK out of me!!! :mad:

They should have had a special meeting for Carmen. She got dissed after all her pledge sisters had built up momentum. I would have been too embarrassed.

Hey Carmen didn't handle her business. She did nothing but complain from day one. I didn't like her. Should she have been removed prior to tonight's episode? Maybe, maybe not. She brought it on herself.

Just my opinion

I agree. The girl needed to step off a long time ago. There is nothing but ugliness...inside and out....detracting claws....but really, she would have made a horrible sister.

Janelle and the baby talk = http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung...smiley-005.gif

Carmen deserved what she got and I was amused by the fact that after all of the things that she did and said, she actually thought these girls wanted her to be a part of the group. MTV was right on point with this one . . . make sure we all know what an unenlightened racist she was and then build it up like she is going to get what she wants and then yank it from her in front of all of us. She should have been more embarrassed by the racially insensitive things she said during the process. She didn't think that what she said was wrong and thought that they were picking on her . . . karma is a mutha!!

Fraternity Life -- I hope they are kicked off their campus for good.

Although I was surprised to see the Zeta initiation on TV (and who is to say there weren't other, private ceremonies leading up to it right before hand) what I saw was cute. It's nice that they all "earned" their first set of letters and that they were identical. I don't know the meaning of the green sash, but that was cute, too.

Moving on...Delta Omega Chi needs their very existence wiped off the face of the earth.

A South Asian hazer with a brand? WTF is this? Just because you are in a "multicultural" organization (and i ONLY use the term because they use it on their website) doesn't mean you get to co-opt established traditions from other orgs. START YOUR OWN!!!!

ARGH! They really do need to be stopped. Ravi, the South Asian Hazer with the brand....could he BE any more furry? I thought he was being attacked by gerbils.

I wish the dudes who dropped had actually said "YO, I DON'T HAVE TO BE HAZED TO DO THIS." instead of saying "yeah, like, this isn't for me right now." their interviews didn't match up with their reasons for dropping.

the fat gay kid.......he is a simp. he hates himself so much that he allowed himself to be degraded based on his sexual orientation for weeks, just to join this frat! i mean, you can tell in his interviews that he's a neo-sambo: "We betta not do that, y'all, lessin massa gon' tan our hides somethin awful!"

Sickening.

I'm not sure if the sash really had a meaning. They showed one up close and it was just the pledge (now active's) name. It was in the sorority's colors though.

I will have to catch up on all the episodes on one of the marathon weekends. I've missed probably about 3 episodes. I did catch last night's finale and Carmen got exactly what she deserved.

Yes, I do hope that they had a private pinning ceremony.

I stopped watching Frat Life after the first episode. Those idiots are dumb as rocks.

i didn't know he was gay. i thought it was another dude who didn't make it. call me what you will, but when i was watching frat life, i was crunk to see them pulling together and not trying to out-shine jon when running but instead encouraging him. and when i saw them share that snickers bar, i was touched because i knew they cut for each other as brothers.

also, there were 2 things that robbie said that i liked: 1) pain is passing but brotherhood is forever and (2) brotherhood is a journey, not a destination.

but these orgs need to learn that they are incriminating themselves by having all of this televised. and when will they learn that mtv is all about shedding light on hazing.

I agree soooo completely with you.

Carmen needed her butt whipped, and they should have told her earlier. WHY did Michelle make it?

That's what I want to know, WHHHHHHHY did Michelle get in? After that essay that she wrote being so judgemental about some of the actives, she should've gotten a NO!!!


I'm glad Sharifa got in though and Janelle too, even though her voice is so irritating.

Is it because Janelle's voice sounds, err, suburban? :p I know a little bit about Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif., where she's from, and and it's not full of people of color. Is that it?:p

I definitely don't think so
 

I don't think that it is because she is from Rancho Palos Verde. I think that it is because when this girl is speaking and is supposed to be serious (when she moved out of the house and when she asked the sisters to give her some good news), she raised her voice to such a high pitch that it can be considered baby talk. Her tone throughout the rest of the episode was different from that ga-ga-goo-goo she was doing near the end of the episode.

Re: I definitely don't think so
 

Thanks for clarifying.:cool:

i forgot to post this earlier...
 

i, too, didn't think carmen should get in because she doesn't know how to deal when things go her way. but it was pretty messed up how they did it. EVERY other girl gets a call with the good news and she's the ONLY one not to make it and got called last. poor child had no one to go through the rejection with.

but i think it's jacked up how they pledge first and THEN they are voted on.

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I know I'm a day late but I am in total agreement with Carmen not getting in. She's needs to learn how to blend in with other humam beings & not being so "ick". I am still very amazed that Michelle got in but, whatever. Great ending....bravo!:)

I wonder if they will do a new season this year. It seems like they didnt get a lot of good publicity for the last season.

I didn't even know there was a second season :(

The last season they did was season 3