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HelloKitty22 09-08-2004 06:25 PM

Generally (although not always), reciprocity tends to be between states that are next to or near each other, like NY and NJ or VT and NH. If you forsee that you are going to be moving across country, like from NY to AZ, it is likely that you'll have to take the bar again in your new state. Unlike other professional licences, bar admission is not freely transferable from state to state. :( It can be a real bummer if you expect that you'll be moving around a lot.

GeekyPenguin 09-08-2004 06:33 PM

How is everyone in this admissions cycle doing with fee waiverS? I have about 10 right now, and almost all of them are from schools that I wanted to apply to anyway! :)

ztawinthropgirl 09-08-2004 07:44 PM

Thanks guys! Yea, I know that my life still has a few twists and turns to overcome but I was just asking due to the fact that I am earlybird at "real life". I am only 23. :p

AXORissa 09-17-2004 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by HelloKitty22
Generally (although not always), reciprocity tends to be between states that are next to or near each other, like NY and NJ or VT and NH. If you forsee that you are going to be moving across country, like from NY to AZ, it is likely that you'll have to take the bar again in your new state. Unlike other professional licences, bar admission is not freely transferable from state to state. :( It can be a real bummer if you expect that you'll be moving around a lot.
actually, your statement about reciprocity isnt entirely true. http://www.crossingthebar.com/Reciprocity-Chart.htm]Here is the list of states that have reciprocity As you can see, its actually random, and some states dont have it at all, and others have it with many. It has nothing to do with closeness of the states.

and NJ doesnt have reciprocity with ANYONE, which stinks, and is the sole reason I am taking the NY bar. Well, not the sole reason, but a big one.

ShaedyKD 10-03-2004 02:10 PM

Fee Waivers
 
GP, can you please explain more about these fee waivers? They were sent to you by law schools, or by the LSAC? I'm re-applying to several schools and applying to a few more schools after not getting in anywhere last year. It's going to cost me at least $300 in application fees alone...
Should I contact the schools and explain that I have no money, or what?

GeekyPenguin 10-03-2004 02:18 PM

Re: Fee Waivers
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ShaedyKD
GP, can you please explain more about these fee waivers? They were sent to you by law schools, or by the LSAC? I'm re-applying to several schools and applying to a few more schools after not getting in anywhere last year. It's going to cost me at least $300 in application fees alone...
Should I contact the schools and explain that I have no money, or what?

I got them from schools pretty randomly - I requested information packets from some schools after getting my first LSAT scores (I retook) and some enclosed fee waivers with the guidebooks. Other schools sent me the guidebook and sent me a fee waiver later. Some other schools just randomly sent me fee waivers.

When you register to take the LSAT (or sign up with LSAC) you can also register with the Candidate Referral Service (CRS) on their website by filling out the info with the CRS bubbles next to it. I did that, and that's how some of them got my information. It appears from talking to friends that they sent fee waivers to people with a score of about 160 or higher that said they were interested in attending school in that state.

There are also fee waivers for financial hardship, and there is more information on how to get those on the LSAC site.

dphies00 10-03-2004 05:42 PM

Hey everyone --

Does anyone have opinions about going to law school part time? I have a job with a company that I love and while they're not going to help with tutition, they will be flexible with my time commitments in the office.

People keep telling me that there's no way that I'll be able to go part time and keep up a 40 hour work week. I have other friends in grad school and they manage their time well between a career and school. I feel like I can do it!

Any thoughts?

kddani 10-03-2004 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by dphies00
Hey everyone --

Does anyone have opinions about going to law school part time? I have a job with a company that I love and while they're not going to help with tutition, they will be flexible with my time commitments in the office.

People keep telling me that there's no way that I'll be able to go part time and keep up a 40 hour work week. I have other friends in grad school and they manage their time well between a career and school. I feel like I can do it!

Any thoughts?

Law school isn't really grad school, it's professional school. There is a difference in workload.
My school doesn't offer a part time program. However, the other law school in my city does (part time/evening). It takes them 4 years, plus summer, to be done. YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE IN LAW SCHOOL THAT LONG!!! 3 years is hard enough as it is. Even though they are part time, they still end up taken 12 credits sometimes, which is just about a full time workload.

Also, after your first year, you're going to want/should work in the legal field. Unless your current job is law related, you're going to have to go somewhere else.

How flexible is the office, really? 40 hours a week, plus at least 10 hours of classes, time going between the two, studying, getting to know your fellow law students, is going to be tough. Yeah, it's possible (nothing is impossible) but it is not a good idea if you want to keep your health, sanity, grades, and current job.

Is there a part time program even in the same city as where you work? have you been accepted yet? If not, I would strongly encourage you to talk with the people at the law school.

My personal opinion is DON'T DO IT! Pick one or the other.

Right now, i'm working 20 hours a week at a law firm and taking 13 credits. It's NOT easy to do. Not to mention the fact that I have to start trying to find a job for when I graduate and start preparing for the bar next semester.

AXORissa 10-03-2004 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dphies00
Hey everyone --

Does anyone have opinions about going to law school part time? I have a job with a company that I love and while they're not going to help with tutition, they will be flexible with my time commitments in the office.

People keep telling me that there's no way that I'll be able to go part time and keep up a 40 hour work week. I have other friends in grad school and they manage their time well between a career and school. I feel like I can do it!

Any thoughts?

I have a few friends that do this, and its a LOT of work. I say only work if this job will advance your legal career and will substantially help pay for the cost of school. Its a huge committment, and it can be done, but you'll be very busy. It helps if your job is in the same location as your law school. My friend works 5-10 min from her law school, so its not as frustrating as it could be.

but there are plenty of people who do it, so it can be done. Good luck!

Munchkin03 10-03-2004 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kddani
Law school isn't really grad school, it's professional school. There is a difference in workload.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for saying that.

There seems to be a lot of confusion between the workloads of each. You could work part time/rush/etc while getting your MA in History, but you can't in Law, Business, Architecture, Public Health, anything like that.

Professional school should be seen as your JOB, and your top priority. Just take the three years off and devote it to doing well in school. That way, you can get a better job than if you worked and were in school part-time.

Peaches-n-Cream 10-03-2004 11:25 PM

I know quite a few people who have earned professional degrees part-time and have successful careers. Sometimes people cannot afford to take time off from work and go to school full-time.

dphie00, good luck whatever you decide to do!

ImaDiamond 10-08-2004 04:31 PM

Entertainment Law
 
Is there anyone who is pursuing this area of law at the present time? That is definitely an area of interest for me. I have a question, though. What schools are 'big' on this type of practice? I think the only two colleges I have heard about, as far as ent. law is concerned, are UCLA and N.Y.U. Are there any others? Any info would be very much appreciated. Thanks

ShaedyKD 10-13-2004 12:40 AM

Does anyone have helpful hints for personal statements? I'm on my second round of applications and yet again, I'm stuck on this stupid essay. I am at a loss for what to use for a topic. I'm right out of school so I have no significant work experience. (My jobs have consisted of restaurants, daycare, and filing at a law firm). I did an internship, but have no memorable andecdotes from that. Besides, it was at the State Attorney's Office and I know a statement about "Why I want to be an Assistant State Attorney One Day" will not go over well. I feel so funny talking about myself, and am having a very hard time writing about "what makes me stand out from everyone else."

Any help would be greatly appreciated because this is the only thing standing between me and mailbox, and I want to get these puppies in the mail early this time!

HelloKitty22 10-13-2004 01:39 AM

One choice is to write about why you want to go to law school. A lot of law students have no clue why they are there. If you can write something that is well thought out and pursuasive about why you want to go to law school or what you want to accomplish with your education, that will show that you have the commitment needed to be sucessful in your legal education. You don't have to say that you want to go to law school because worked for a lawyer or that you've wanted to be a lawyer since you were five, just where your inspiration came from or what your ultimate goal is and why.
That's just one suggestion. Try not to concentrate on trying to set yourself apart from others, if that is blocking your writing. Rather, try showing why you would make a great candidate and why offering you a spot would benefit the school and the legal profession.
Hope this helps!

ImaDiamond 10-13-2004 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by ShaedyKD
Does anyone have helpful hints for personal statements? I'm on my second round of applications and yet again, I'm stuck on this stupid essay. I am at a loss for what to use for a topic. I'm right out of school so I have no significant work experience. (My jobs have consisted of restaurants, daycare, and filing at a law firm). I did an internship, but have no memorable andecdotes from that. Besides, it was at the State Attorney's Office and I know a statement about "Why I want to be an Assistant State Attorney One Day" will not go over well. I feel so funny talking about myself, and am having a very hard time writing about "what makes me stand out from everyone else."

Any help would be greatly appreciated because this is the only thing standing between me and mailbox, and I want to get these puppies in the mail early this time!

Girl, why are we in the exact same boat with regards to job history? I'm working at a law firm filing right now. And instead of the restaurant, I work at a clothing store. The info sent by HelloKitty is very useful, don't you agree? Thanks, HK

ShaedyKD 10-13-2004 08:58 PM

Ditto, thanks for the help HK!

SigmaChiCard 11-03-2004 09:01 PM

I could send you mine if you want.

PM me sometime

Cory

Glitter650 11-08-2004 03:09 PM

From what everyone has told me, don't just re state what's already on your application, they can read. Make sure your essay answers any questions they may have about your application (IE why one semester's grades were dismal) and give life to the other things on your app.(IE express the passion behind your volunteer work and why you chose it etc)
Make them look past the numbers. There are probably a lot of other applicants with numbers JUST like yours, why should they give you 3.56 with a 160 LSAT and of course lots of extra ciriculars the legal education instead of the 2 other people with 3.56 and 160 LSAT score ? Even if your jobs have just been mainly service and retail oriented, what did you make of it, were you a leader there somehow ? If so tell them about it. They want to see you can take initiative and follow through.

KSigkid 05-07-2006 10:21 PM

I start at UConn Law in September (actually, late August). I'm very excited, and wish I was starting tomorrow (the anticipation is pretty high).

shinerbock 05-08-2006 12:39 PM

Back on the personal statement topic, I wrote mine on the value of diversity in education, and they ate it up. I mean, sure it was complete BS, but its academia, give them what they want.

shinerbock 05-08-2006 01:33 PM

I've paid my deposits at Wake Forest and UGA, but I'm pretty sure it'll be UGA.

KSigkid 05-08-2006 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by shinerbock
I've paid my deposits at Wake Forest and UGA, but I'm pretty sure it'll be UGA.
Congrats - I was considering George Mason and Catholic, but I ended up choosing to stay in New England.

ETA: If anyone is applying for 2007-08 and has questions about the process, feel free to PM me. There is a GC member who was very helpful when I was applying, so I might as well try to help someone if I can.

Duchovnysfan 05-30-2006 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSigkid
Congrats - I was considering George Mason and Catholic, but I ended up choosing to stay in New England.

ETA: If anyone is applying for 2007-08 and has questions about the process, feel free to PM me. There is a GC member who was very helpful when I was applying, so I might as well try to help someone if I can.

I think I will take up your offer on that, soon enough though ;)

IvySpice 05-30-2006 07:19 PM

Quote:

they ate it up.
How do you know? Was your GPA/LSAT far below the median at the schools where you were accepted?

KSigkid 05-30-2006 09:39 PM

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Originally posted by Duchovnysfan
I think I will take up your offer on that, soon enough though ;)
No problem, just send me along a PM, and good luck with the process.

ADqtPiMel 05-30-2006 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSigkid
Congrats - I was considering George Mason and Catholic, but I ended up choosing to stay in New England.

Those were my fiance's top two schools - he chose Catholic when they pulled through with a considerable scholarship.

GeekyPenguin 05-30-2006 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSigkid
Congrats - I was considering George Mason and Catholic, but I ended up choosing to stay in New England.

ETA: If anyone is applying for 2007-08 and has questions about the process, feel free to PM me. There is a GC member who was very helpful when I was applying, so I might as well try to help someone if I can.

I think I am that member, so if anybody wants help, let me know. I'm a 2L now so I'm loafing.

GeekyPenguin 05-30-2006 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ADqtPiMel
Those were my fiance's top two schools - he chose Catholic when they pulled through with a considerable scholarship.
OH YAY! I'll bet he'll really like it there. :D

Stef the Pef 05-31-2006 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Glitter650
From what everyone has told me, don't just re state what's already on your application, they can read. Make sure your essay answers any questions they may have about your application (IE why one semester's grades were dismal) and give life to the other things on your app.(IE express the passion behind your volunteer work and why you chose it etc)
Make them look past the numbers. There are probably a lot of other applicants with numbers JUST like yours, why should they give you 3.56 with a 160 LSAT and of course lots of extra ciriculars the legal education instead of the 2 other people with 3.56 and 160 LSAT score ? Even if your jobs have just been mainly service and retail oriented, what did you make of it, were you a leader there somehow ? If so tell them about it. They want to see you can take initiative and follow through.

That's reassuring--I just had a semester where a medication interaction combined with anemia forced me to drop out of school. I couldn't function and now they've sent me a letter saying that I'm on academic probation due to a "withdraw fail" from that semester that's still under contest (the prof accused me of faking illness when I didn't--what a piece of work!).

I'm still trying for Baylor Law because of the good things I hear about them having profs who can teach well. I'll be going into my junior undergrad year--any advice on when I should start taking the LSAT and start applying to different law schools?

GeekyPenguin 05-31-2006 01:48 AM

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Originally posted by Stef the Pef
That's reassuring--I just had a semester where a medication interaction combined with anemia forced me to drop out of school. I couldn't function and now they've sent me a letter saying that I'm on academic probation due to a "withdraw fail" from that semester that's still under contest (the prof accused me of faking illness when I didn't--what a piece of work!).

I'm still trying for Baylor Law because of the good things I hear about them having profs who can teach well. I'll be going into my junior undergrad year--any advice on when I should start taking the LSAT and start applying to different law schools?

Take it during junior year. If you screw up, you'll have time to retake. Apply EARLY in fall of senior year.

I was on academic probation fora LONG time in college for some personal reasons and I did pretty well in my application cycle. The only reason I didn't get into my first choice is because I was so late in applying.

KSigkid 05-31-2006 07:27 AM

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Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
I think I am that member, so if anybody wants help, let me know. I'm a 2L now so I'm loafing.
Yes you are, and I very much appreciate all the help you gave me.

Definitely agree on the apply early thing. You may be on a tight schedule, but the LSDAS doesn't care what type of schedule you're on. Getting everything done early means you won't have a time crunch.

Mel - congrats to your boyfriend. I really liked Catholic, but a number of things (including New England rate tuition, and in-state tuition for my 2nd year) drove me towards UConn.

Stef the Pef 06-14-2006 01:01 AM

Congrats, Wine&SilverBlue!

Thanks for the advice, everyone--I've got to start looking into law school more seriously next year. :)

ShaedyKD 06-14-2006 08:00 AM

Another helpful hint about applying to law school: Secure your letters of recommendation early! You can have your recommenders send them into the LSAC as soon as your file is set up, even if you don't plan on applying for another couple of months. My very favorite professor in the whole wide world had a relapse of his cancer and died during the fall of my junior year. Needless to say, I was pretty upset because he was a wonderful person, and had 2 teenage kids. But I also didn't have a letter of recommendation from him. He was the prof for the criminal law classes I took in undergrad, and he was basically the reason why I wanted to go to law school in the first place.

So you never know what might happen to someone who you want to write a letter of rec for you, so get them early! I unfortunately had the worst case scenario happen to me and had to ask several people who hadn't known me for as long.

PhiMuAmberkins 06-14-2006 10:56 AM

I just took the LSAT on Monday...not fun. I think I did pretty well though...hopefully my score will be good enough to get me into my top choice, since my boyfriend and I already decided to move there!

Now begins the torture of waiting 3 weeks for my score...

adpiucf 06-14-2006 11:10 AM

I am not feeling good about Monday... I wonder if I will be celebrating on July 3 when they release our scores...

Rudey 06-14-2006 11:17 AM

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?...198&forum_id=2

They have better threads on this forum whether it's on law school, bschool, or college. Lots of funny kids.

-Rudey

Rudey 06-14-2006 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AXiD670
I bet you could show them a thing or two.

-AXiD670
--You're hardcore.

Because of that dumb forum, my friends now have started rating each other's jokes using an LSAT scale (ie if you say something ridiculous, it's a solid 180) and keep saying goofy crap like pwned and referring to people as gelheads.

I don't even know what a gunner is, but their jokes are still funny. The best is when they took some Harvard kid's pics and started calling him the ram and were relentless.

-Rudey

GeekyPenguin 06-14-2006 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudey
Because of that dumb forum, my friends now have started rating each other's jokes using an LSAT scale (ie if you say something ridiculous, it's a solid 180) and keep saying goofy crap like pwned and referring to people as gelheads.

I don't even know what a gunner is, but their jokes are still funny. The best is when they took some Harvard kid's pics and started calling him the ram and were relentless.

-Rudey


AHAHA I love that forum.

KSigkid 06-14-2006 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaedyKD
Another helpful hint about applying to law school: Secure your letters of recommendation early!

This cannot be stressed enough. Professors and other professionals have busy schedules. They're doing you a favor by writing the application, so do them (and yourselves) a favor by making sure you ask them in plenty of time. It will be one less stress on your plate.

Good luck to everyone who is getting their scores.

Duchovnysfan 06-18-2006 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSigkid
This cannot be stressed enough. Professors and other professionals have busy schedules. They're doing you a favor by writing the application, so do them (and yourselves) a favor by making sure you ask them in plenty of time. It will be one less stress on your plate.

Good luck to everyone who is getting their scores.

So very true, I asked 2 of my professors before last semester ended, now I just have to remind them when I come back in August. Although that's not difficult, one is my advisor and the other is professor I'm having again.


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