Well then pardon the language but F*** them. F**** any drunken guys at Clarion. F**** whomever sends a dirty look your way. Your name is still Alison, you still look like a girl, and have boobs, a ghetto booty and hips. Guys arent afraid that they'll break you when they hug you and you wear a size 13.
GOOD FOR YOU.
You're still hot, no matter who decided to come on GC one day and have an attitude. (P.S. I DO have an attitude today, for the record. But there is no reason anyone should EVER make you feel bad. So lets get this thread back on track. You are the SHIT. And don't f'ing lie to me either, b/c I've seen your pic, Ali.)

Looks like I hit a nerve with my post... I certianly don't mean to say anything about anyone's particualr happiness or attractiveness as realting to their body shape and size, we all know attractiveness is a higlhly personal thing. However, this post that sugarandspice made is what I was getting at with mine. This is one of those un-PC views that I hold. Of course everyone's ideal body fat percentage is different, but having a *really high* body fat percentage is unhealthy, and as our above example simply states, is considered by many as unattractive (me included). Also, since young people are not often inspired by health reasons to eat well and get good exercize, using physical appearance to drive behaviors that are ultimately good can be effective (to an extent, since we've all seen it backlash).

As for the personal part of my post... I was making a statement about myself and how I feel about my body. My body fat % is about 28-30% now... which while isn't awful, isn't in the ideal range either (I wear a size 8-10 and would cosider myself normal and curvy). I'd like to hit that ideal range and take pride in how my body looks, since I haven't looked how I've wanted too since I stopped competing and all my muscle left me! I wanted to make that point because a lot of my friends don't support my goals. I get a lot of "you're dieting??!?!? OMG, are you bulimic?" I don't think you have to be morbidly obese to try and gain muscle mass or eat more veggies.

I don't know what you all look like, and I don't really care! I'm sure you are all sexy and beautiful, and people who actually know you and love you think so. But there are two sides to every question, and this is one of them.

Then they're STUPID, and you need to more elsewhere man! I'm telling you, a friend of mine is this modelicious guy(he has been a model for awhile), he's muscular, good dresser, talented etc, and his girlfriend is what some might place in the "large category", but she looks good and she knows it. Girl takes care of herself, knows and is comfortable in her own body, and knows how to play up her advantages with outfits!

Basically attractiveness often has to do more with proportion. If you have JLo's butt, and a full stomach, but also large breasts, you're going to look good dammit! There are other things that come into attractiveness, including carriage, self perception, and all those other fabulous things that people already mentioned. And it's so hard to believe this although we all know it's logically true, but how you feel inside and who you are really doe show through in your appearance. You all know those people who you may not think of as good looking in "pose", i.e. a photograph, but in "animation", or life, they are just beautiful, and you don't know how you ever thought they weren't. So blah, basically...

You should lose weight only IF:

You feel out of breath or in pain when climbing stairs or walking for short distances

You have high cholesterol, high risk of diabetes

You are eating unhealthy foods

You are not very active in your life

Being overweight in these cases is still not the actual problem, but can be a symptom of the above things, which are much more serious problems. Otherwise, you should still be leading a healthy life, but don't allow a bad self image to prevail!!!

Cloud9: You win the award for best post in this whole mess. Seriously, that was great. :)

I think it's a mistake to assume that guys don't like you because of your appearance. I mean, a quick look at your friends will generally tell you that you're wrong -- the amount of guys interested in someone rarely has much to do with their looks. One of the prettiest girls I know has NEVER had a boyfriend, because she's always been too busy with other things (namely ballet, which she wants to do professionally), because she's really shy, and because she lacks the confidence to approach guys or flirt with them. I know some beautiful girls who have only had one or two boyfriends, and I know some butt-ugly girls who are never without them.

Some of the girls I know who have had the most boyfriends have been overweight, but what they also had was enough confidence to go flirt and approach boys and put their feelings on the line when they had to. That is usually the problem -- not that the 20 extra pounds you're carrying.

Unfortunately, I know that it's usually HARDER to change your self-confidence level than your weight, so it's not really a reassuring thing to hear that. But it's a much more worthwhile thing to change your confidence than your appearance, too.

Tsk Tsk, I HONESTLY believe that some people on here (or anywhere else) would not like themselves, REGARDLESS of weight.

You probably shouldn't take the word of anyone over James, but hey thats just a personal preference.

Oddly enough Cream, my Doctor trains heavily and has given me a different set of numbers lol. As well as my research. However, since my Doctor is bigger than your doctor that should be enough :p . lol.

But honestly. I would never argue with a lady so will bow out of that portion of the discussion.

(James Bows)

you do not have curves so stop lying to us lol ;) .

lol! Maybe that is just my body type. Anyway, I have 21% body fat now so all is well.

(Cream curtseys)

http://www.timeoutdoors.com/run/wome...C01040501E.htm

Amenorrhoea is sometimes triggered in women by low body fat and does not happen to all women. The article above states that "often the main cause is insufficient calorie intake, a low body fat percentage (under 17%), stress, or a heavy training schedule without sufficient rest."

-Rudey
--Can't all you girls argue about something more fun? Like breasts or satisfying your man!

WORRRRRRRRRRRRRD to the tenth power on this one. FOR REAL.

I KNEW IT!!!!! :D

-Cream
--Thanks Rudey. :)

When under 17? At 16? Or sometimes under 17 percent? Thats kind of vague.

Men that have bodyfat percentages over 10 percent run a higher risk of diabetes . . . Greater than 9 anyway lol.

About people hating themselves and why I havent been happy with myself lately:

I have had HORRIBLE family problems in the past two years. We almost lost our house, we are bankrupt, I have had awesome supportive friends, but I have also had friends who suck. I have done horrible with school and other things. So lately I have been depressed. Ill get over it. Dont think Im a person who constantly hates themselves, but lately thats what it has come to. I sometimes think if I did things differently some of this crap wouldnt happen.

I am so sorry that you are having such a difficult time with so many problems. Sometimes problems build up and can be completely overwhelming. I suggest that you surround yourself with kind, loving, and supportive people and weed out the people who suck because they are not your true friends. I have gleaned from your previous posts that you are a sensitive young woman who is going through a very challenging time and it is taking its toll on you. As an older and (slightly) wiser woman, I can tell you that this too shall pass as in CT4's signature.

If you feel overwhelmed and depressed, I strongly recommend going to see a counselor or therapist. As I have posted previously, I went into therapy after college, and it did a world of good for me. I was incredibly hesitant at first, but it helped me learn some coping skills and how to live my life in a more fulfilling way. I strongly encourage you to do so. The only reason I write this is because you wrote that you have been depressed and that you'll get over this. There are qualified profesionals who can help you and point you in the right direction. I wish you the best in whatever you choose to do. :)

wow. for the first time EVER, i actually AGREE with dionysus;)

I'm pretty sure I'm under 10 percent, but I didn't think over 10 percent was that high; I could be wrong though.

It depends on how much over you are . . . thats why I posted it that way. Some of the people on here are being very vague.

Well James, being that this is a thread about weight, it's going to be very rare to have people come on and say "my name is Joe is, I weight 400 pounds with 90% body fat..." or "my name is Jane and I weigh 87 pounds and I have 5% body fat, but I'm not anorexic and I still have my periods..."

I think we can all agree, that for many people weight is a serious issue, so you'll just have to get used to people being vague on this issue. And frankly, no offense James, but you're hardly qualified (or maybe you are, correct me if I am wrong) to be giving advice on how much body fat is too much or to little. Just because you're doctor says one thing, and Cream's doctor says another doesn't mean either of them are right. So the best advice would be for everyone to follow their own doctors advice and if you think your doctor is wrong find a new doctor.

I think I've said nearly that exact idea verbatim dozens of times.

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No kidding.

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Amazing and beautifully stated.

You missed the point. People are being vague about the percentage of body fat at which menstruation is likely to be lost by women.

To say, under 17 % is a pretty wide range when those types of symptoms don't normally appear until around 10 %.


Well, I agree that for many people on here weight is an emotional issue. Unresolved serious issues inspire people to tackle them. Unresolved emotional issues can lead to people feeling helpless and making excuses.

Now thats a toughy. All knowledge needs a source whether you are in a healthcare field or a layman. I am repeating what sources I have read repeatedly writen over a couple years of research. I am not sure that makes me qualified.

I also keep reflecting on the doctors thattold us to drop the fat and protein and load up on Carbs a decade or so ago . . . and America gained an average of 8 pounds of body fat.

But believe what you like.

Racial issues equaling Weight issues?
 

This isn't directed at Sugar and Spice because a few people were talking about how racism is similar to so-called discrimination against fatter people.

ITs a very weak analogy, especially when undeveloped. A distant kind of simile that casts light on a human behavioral problem.

Discrimination is NOT a word that should be used in application to being overweight.

Fat people are not going to be offered lesser salaries. ITs not going to be a factor in College admissions. They are not going to be asked to sit in the back of the bus, or treated like second class citizens in general.

Oh, and another large difference is that fat people can join the enemy by losing weight lol. That is not an option for people of various ethnicities. This is not a situation where the person is powerless to affect the perceptions of people around them.

There are certainly enough success stories where even morbidly obese people have become "Thin".


There really just isn't a discrimination issue . . . I mean seriously are the Fat People of the world going to unite (I am a little toungue in cheek here), rise up and march for their right to .. . .

What? lol.

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I disagree. I would be willing to bet money that obese people ARE offered lesser salaries. I don't know from experience, but it seems from some of the posts on here that overweight people are absolutely treated like second class citizens. Of course, it's not the same as race, but I think that there can be discrimination against overweight people.

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I understand the point thats being made but it seems to add a gravity or a helpless to the situation that doesn't seem appropriate.

In talks of salary . . .For the same job? a lesser salary? Thats is some of the discrimination women as a gender face.

I can see maybe not getting a job over someone else for being overweight, but that is more of a "standards of attraction issue" than systematic deliberate exclusion as a matter of policy. Which was always the race or gender issue.

Also, weight is fluid. Meaning you can control it. We are talking about social preferences here.

WE might be playing with semantics but the word still doesn't seem to fit because we are not talking about an all pervasive social policy of discrimination which would be the case with Race and Gender issues. We are talking about personal preferences "in the moment".

I don't think people are being vague. I think people can't give you an answer becuase people don't have one. It seems that even professionals can't agree on a figure


Well this seems to me like you're saying that an emotional issue is not a serious issue. Not everyone can be inpired to tackle any sort of issue when they are upset/depressed (being upset and depressed are 2 different things). An emotional issue can be just as serious for some as say a financial crisis. Those that are severely depressed will not tackle any issue because they do not have the physical or mental energy to do so. So those that are overweight and depressed are stuck in a very vicious cycle that is hard to break.


I'm not saying the we should blindly follow doctors orders. I think if everyone did that we'd have a lot more problems. It's good to eductae ones self on health issues that way you can ask your doctor questions, and challenge the advice if you think it's wrong. In Cream's case when she said that she would rather listen to her doctor than you, well I would have to agree with her judgement. I would follow my doctor over you because they (hopefully) have the training and knowledge to make informed decisions. Now I'm not saying you're wrong, because for all I know you may very well be correct. All I am saying is that I would most likely take the advice of my doctor on my health that someone I don't know on a message board.

There is a lot of talk about bofy fat % in these two threads about weight, and people either being overweight or skinny. I am just wondering...what is everyone considering "thin" and what is "overweight." I am just wondering b/c I feel like everyone's opions about size differ. I personally think that anything in or under a womans size 13 is a normal weight. I won't place a size on what I think is too thin b/c I have many friends that are extremely thin that have to wear a bigger size b/c of the bone structure in their hips.

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LOL...CTFU @ joining the enemy...Why am I thinking BP 10 pt plan.....:D