The thing is that I have no problem with the South or the people from there. My late Mother retired to a beautiful spot in Alabama.

There are fine people, schools and chapters in the South -- no question.

What I can't tolerate is the conceit that ALL of the best chapters are there.

That is a slap in the face to many outstanding chapters and people in other parts of the country.

It's a load of Bovine Scatology.

Those who buy into that myth are completely narrow minded.

If you guys want to circle the wagons and only talk to each other, though, have a great time -- but it's no way to grow emotionally or intellectually -- and it's no way for your organizations to advance.

I believe they're in a frat - and yes, I said frat on purpose - and actually, I find them more pathetic then funny.

Well said, DeltAlum.

Those guys aren't 'fratty', they're 'douchey'.

Yes, I DID just coin a new term.

Anyone who brags about daddy's lawfirm and large trust fund, obviously has a small wiener. It's like 'that guy', you know, the one with the 1985 Ford Bronco, with a 20 inch lift kit, mud-runner wheels...etc. You know, 'that guy'. He's making up for something; small wiener? can't satisfy a woman? maybe his father doesn't love him?

Either way, those guys from 'douchey', I mean 'fratty', fit the above description.

I haven't seen anyone that has bragged about "daddy's" lawfirm or any sort of trust fund. I believe the recent lawfirm talk was about internships and getting on at a good firm after school. But you can continue all you want with your mundane jokes and lame attempts at humor. I think this is the 50th post that you have used the term "douche" in.

Well, i'm an SAE at the University of Texas, Texas Rho Chapter. I don't use the term "frat" in reference to my fraternity or others nor does anyone else on this board that you find so "pathetic."

I guess you missed LiberalSouth's post earlier in this thread:

"I would like to know what makes you more upset: The fact that my father will get me a job in a top law firm (since he's an equity partner) and I will make over 150K my first year of a real job, or the fact that I do not even need said job since my trust fund has enough money in it to last me the rest of my life."

What is your name?

Here is a quote from the previous page, from one of your Douchey friends:

"I would like to know what makes you more upset: The fact that my father will get me a job in a top law firm (since he's an equity partner) and I will make over 150K my first year of a real job, or the fact that I do not even need said job since my trust fund has enough money in it to last me the rest of my life."

Now get back to roping cattle and circling barrels.

Logic train passed you by...

Alphafrog was using frat as a way of showing her disdain for you.

I make a distinction between "frat boys" and fraternity guys. She's putting you in the former category.

Kappa Sigma - Louisiana State University. Where is Lane? Exactly. Chlorox is the best for cocktails, I think but sometimes it comes down to Tide. It absolutely disgusts me when the majority of Greekchat members dismiss a person as being troll simply because they display discretion and anonymity. You realize that I recognize you as a GDI, correct? You may have been initiated but you show no signs of being a classy lady in any regard.

That might be because we are the last standing good fraternity systems. It might be because we are exclusive, as opposed to inclusive which is the majority of the North/West's fraternities. If those fraternities are suppose to be exclusive... from what I've seen, I would feel really bad that ya'll live with these people. Or are these people.

Stereotype #19839283928, can anyone ban him for ignorance? So many on this board preach not being ignorant, but I usually see hypocrisy.

LSU? Sorry to hear that.

Oh, BTW, I don't even have 19839283928 posts? Where did you come up with that number?

What is your name?

My name is absolutely none of your business.

Clearly the number was an embellishment, the point was that you stereotype regularly.

Still waiting for one of ya'll to explain how telling someone to go drink bleach is witty/funny.

So you're a closet cyber-tough guy. Oh yeah, how'd you like your pledge brothers thumb in your butt?

...I'm not trying to be "tough", I am just not going to say my name.

I'm not really sure what your referring to, my chapter is in Louisiana, not California, we don't do sexual hazing like ya'll do.

While I am glad that you show some conceit (not sure why) in believing that I should even respond to you, no one ever said it was witty or funny.

By the way, "SigmaChiGuy", what chapter are you from?

Thanks, I was referring more to lanesig's post, I just quoted both. I appreciate your concern.

Well I think people have traditionally kept their organizations to themselves because of people like SigmaChiGuy, who would probably be happy to call our national organizations and complain. Seeing as we emphasize things like personal responsibility, which that person abhores, he'd love to sabatoge I'm sure. Also, in regards to SigmaChiGuy, for someone who hates the south, he's really obsessed with us. He makes cute little jokes about southern farming and incest, but all the while recognizing that we (those on here from southern schools) will probably go on to much better careers than he. Now regarding us being close minded, its simply bullsh*t. Unfortunately, our current society has told us that not being diverse, not hanging out with people who are opposite from us, is damaging to development. However, the "development" you speak of is not intellectual, it is simply a term used to describe the acceptance of all social culture. If believing homosexuality is wrong and thinking english should be spoken in America is being "undeveloped," then by all means I am. However, you would find that in spite of our "conceit" (which is in fact, based on reality), and our lack of development, southern fraternity men are very well educated. You also act as though the South doesnt contain the variety of jobs and experiences other parts of the country do (I think somebody mentioned being "cotton growers" and "peanut farmers"). Lets consider reality. Houston and Dallas are obviously in the South, and I'm sure McCallan could fill you in on that. Atlanta is home to several fortune 500 companies (Home Depot, Coke, Delta, UPS, etc), mega law firms, the world's busiest airport, hell we had the olympics in 96. Charlotte is the fastest growing banking center in the United States, home to the fastest rising bank, Wachovia. Charlotte also is home to great, international law firms and is surrounded by nearby world-class medical research. These are just the highlights, there are obviously other cities of note such as Memphis (FedEx home), Birmingham (banking and accounting) and Greenville (absolutely one of the hottest job markets for young professionals). Thus, even if we choose to be "undeveloped," and not leave the South, theres more to do around here than simply huntin or working on the farm...

Since when is O'Hare in Atlanta??

My name is none of your business and has no need to be thrown around this board.

Actually, according to the FAA, Hartsfield had more arrivals/departures last year, and currently is leading O'Hare in this category again this year.

Thanks, chitown...

So Alpha...was the only objection to his post was the statistics of two airports? Also, what chapter are you from?

Beta Kappa, but I live in Charlotte, NC.

FYI, most ppl who live in NC (and many in SC as well) don't really consider Charlotte to be "Southern" as you are defining it in this thread.

why would anyone choose to post their names? It would lead to nothing but harrassment. I am told frathard.net and the predecessor fratty.net, received daily hatemails.

Mr. Bock,

You're mixing your messages and your causes and making claims that can't be backed up with facts.

On just one of the topics, the Southern Cities you mention are great ones. I've been to all of them for business. Which one of them, in your opinion, would replace New York in terms of financial importance to our country?

I have no brief for or against any of the cities you've mentioned -- or most other cities in the South. What is absolutely BS is that everything (in any area of living) revolves around ANY single area of the country.

As I've said before, that goes for Greek Life as well. You claim facts. Let's see them.

You claim that Southern Fraternity members will have better jobs and make more money than members from anywhere else. Prove it. You claim the Southern chapters are better. Using what criteria?

"Everybody knows it" doesn't cut it here.

It's just not so.

One piece of of anything does not often make it great. It's the sum of it's parts.

What do you mean "Where is Lane"? Lane is right here. And, I am not a GDI nor a lady. "Sig" stands for Sigma Chi. It's our nickname. I went to school at Arkansas State for undergrad and University of Memphis for grad school. Displaying discretion and anonymity is one thing. Hiding behind it is another.

Go back and read my post. I did not, nor would not, use the term "frat". I used the term "fratty" that so many new members of GC seem to prefer when refering to themselves.

I'll admit it, the world doesn't revolve around the south, large cities up north and west are vital to this countries economy. However, I don't consider any of those cities "great", or any city for that matter. It's just too crowded and too polluted for me. I like small, rural towns. Which is why I'll probably never the Georgia, much less the Southeast. I have nothing against folks who live or want to live in the city, that's what they prefer. I just prefer my house, sitting on a good 100-150 acres, and a few good dogs to run every now and again, and a good ol' southern girl to sit and pass the evening by with.

At which point did I hide behind it?

About the money issue...
My brother is a Phi Gam at Georgia. Georgia's Phi Gam is decent old row, but not all that good. I was looking through his issue of the Phi Gamma Delta and the number one alumn donater to the national fraternity was the Georgia chapter, which donated 250 some thousand dollars. If I'm not mistaken, no chapter was closer than a hundred thousand dollars and the majority of the top five was rounded out by southern chapters.

And see that's totally cool.

I don't understand people who live in NYC, but I also couldn't stand to live way out in the country either. I'd probably go crazy in the south. I fit in rather well in the Midwest and loved living in St. Louis for school. For me, it was just the right mix.

To you, the southern plantation (so to speak) is right, for me where I am is right, and for those city folk ;) Chicago, NYC, Atlanta or whatever is right.

That doesn't make one region superior to the other just better for the individual.

As for hiding behind it, I obviously wasn't referring to you since you made you chapter and affiliation clear. I was pointing out that we have several new members who are going into threads, putting people down, making claims, adding porno links, etc. without being willing to admit or show their affiliations. While I do not think it is necessary to give first and last names and pin numbers, I do think that people who are so proud of being "fratty" would be willing to state who they are. You have and a couple of others, but there are several who still haven't.

What's your point?

"At which point did I hide behind it?

About the money issue...
My brother is a Phi Gam at Georgia. Georgia's Phi Gam is decent old row, but not all that good. I was looking through his issue of the Phi Gamma Delta and the number one alumn donater to the national fraternity was the Georgia chapter, which donated 250 some thousand dollars. If I'm not mistaken, no chapter was closer than a hundred thousand dollars and the majority of the top five was rounded out by southern chapters."

Let us not forget, that when using the term 'fratty', it MUST be replaced with 'douchey'.

Carry on.

Tradition would be one of my qualities. Class. Old Money. Exclusive. Clearly, one can find this in the Ivy League, Harvard, Yale, and so on, but those are 3 or 4 schools, whereas top fraternities in the South span maybe 10-12 schools at least.

I consider one of the main promises of Southern Fraternities is that it shows off the top class of Southern society, which admittedly was not incredibly rich until the last fifty years. Much like a debutante ball, it shows the old money and class from families which have dominated the Southern states for the last two centuries. True southern fraternities disregard the nouveau-riche as pure trash, because of the flashy and decadent life in which they live.

I'm not sure what you're talking about fratty, isn't that pretty disrespectful to use "frat" in that way?

Are you seriously 25? What chapter are you from again? I don't want your name that would be disrespectful, I just want to see what chapter you came from.

Drole, never did I say they were the largest or most important cities in the country. What I was saying is that you do not really have to expand beyond the south to "develop." I also didn't say that people from the south make more money or get better jobs, that was solely intended for SigmaChi and those of us on here from the South. I don't understand what the problem with regional superiority is. I'm from the South, I love it, so naturally I rank it ahead of other places. I'm a Braves fan, so it wouldnt be natural to go "the yankees are just as good." I'm biased, of course, and I don't see anything wrong with that. The reason we feel greek systems are better in the south is because for what we prefer in a greek system, the South excels at. We have a certain view of what a greek system should be, and the South fulfills that.

Meanwhile you're holding debutante balls? That's not flashy at all....

You have to understand that those who are in the "Old Money" are only really liked by others in the "Old Money"

The rest are either envious -small percentage- or don't give a crap - larger percentage-

You may think that's the other way around, but those of us not involved just don't care. So when you lord it over the rest of us how you're soooooo great and soooo exclusive you just come off as stuck up and pretentious. And yeah, pathetic that you have to remind people how much higher you are than they are.

I'd much prefer you stick to your small groups so you don't go around bothering the rest of the world. I'm not sure how you even manage posting on a message board that's populated by so many people who don't have pedigrees. There may even be people on here who aren't CHRISTIAN.. or are BLACK, or are in INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIPS! *GASP*

You'd be well served by broadening your world view. It sounds to me like the South is mentally inbreeding.

Old Money = your daddy's, daddy's, daddy either had a cattle ranch in the 1800's, owned a cotton picking plant or struck oil, and YOU are leeching that money off your family.

That is old money. Old money makes me sick. It reminds me of the spoiled brats on Laguna Beach - now I KNOW you watch that.

My fraternity is better than yours. I'm blunt, I'll say it. I don't have to pull 50 posts of why it's better, I'll just tell you.

douchey.net We're all the cool guys hang out.

My sister is having her first baby (he was due to make his grand appearance last Wednesday and hasn't bothered to show up yet), and my mother informed her that she plans to live wherever she lives, except for The South. Of course I immediately looked into the job market in The South so I wouldn't have to live near my mother. ;) However I am the girl who planned a Christmas present gift for the previous boyfriend and the dog to Stuttgart, Arkansas for duck hunting and didn't bat an eye. Sure I'd spend my time lounging in the Peabody and going to the museums but I am not going to complain while in The South. Well except for one particular trip to Florida but that wasn't the fault of the geography or the people.

I know you haven't, there are people on here who have however. It's fine to prefer the south. It's even ok to have regional or local pride. It's just dumb to think it's the some total of all things worthy.

shiner, you're the least of my worries :)