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Benzgirl 08-25-2015 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2328458)
I think a lot of it has to do with Austin being a cool city in its own right. I don't think NPC groups, on the whole, do a good job of marketing ourselves beyond something fun to do in college. If you can have fun without joining, why join?

Forever (ok maybe for 30 years) tOSU had the same problem. There is so much to do in Columbus nobody ever though it was necessary to pledge a Sorority since there is so much to do locally. The University started remarketing student organizations back about 2009/10, not so much to have fun, but for leadership. I think its called, "Lead, Learn and Serve".

The results were pretty amazing. Sorority chapter total went from 100 to about 180 after Formal Recruitment and quota went from 25 (with many not hitting quota) to 56. Gamma Phi successfully recruited total for their colonization and the university is open to 2 new chapters in 2017 (one to replace Kappa, who was suspended).

I have noticed University of Minnesota is in a similar spot where they are in a metro area that has so much to do, resulting in a delay of expansion. If they were in the Boonies, Greek Life would probably be huge.

irishpipes 08-25-2015 12:44 PM

While Austin does have the rep of a cool city with tons of live music, etc., the "Big 6" mentality has done a lot to cripple the system.

DeltaBetaBaby 08-25-2015 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by irishpipes (Post 2328486)
While Austin does have the rep of a cool city with tons of live music, etc., the "Big 6" mentality has done a lot to cripple the system.

That's unsurprising. My very-anti-Greek cousin who went there knew exactly who the Big 6 were in spite of himself.

I was also surprised at how ugly the houses were, on the whole. None of the stately mansions you see at other SEC schools.

Ladybugmom 08-25-2015 02:18 PM

Actually most of the sorority houses are very beautiful and have Southern style architecture. They are somewhat small though. Most only house around 50-60 girls compared to other schools that have a competitive greek system. Because the houses are smaller, the competition to "live in" can be fierce.

APhiLife 08-26-2015 10:06 AM

Just heard my rec girl is now a NM of UT Kappa Alpha Theta!

clemsongirl 08-26-2015 11:45 AM

Emailed both my rec girls and heard nothing back so far from either one of them...stalking their social media didn't work either. Hopeful they found sorority homes but not optimistic so far.

Just interested 08-26-2015 03:28 PM

Charley Strong's, UT's football coach, daughter pledged Zeta!!

Ladybugmom 08-27-2015 02:51 PM

WOW! Lucky Texas ZTA! I know they are thrilled!

APhiLife 08-27-2015 04:39 PM

So some interesting information I found out about Texas Rush- Open Rush (meaning not by invitation only....) did not begin until at least 1988.

I saw an Alcalde article mentioned on "that other website" and looked it up and it's legit.... Also interesting that that during the time my mom was at UT- the sororities were not registered with the university as student organizations..... Who knew someone involved in a "rebel" organization in college would go on to have 8 children who weren't even allowed to chew gum or say "shut up" to each other..... hehe

Info can be found in the January 1988 Alcalde on pg 14. Not sure if I am allowed to post a pic here?

Jill1228 08-27-2015 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Just interested (Post 2328690)
Charley Strong's, UT's football coach, daughter pledged Zeta!!

AWESOME! :D

Ladybugmom 08-27-2015 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by APhiLife (Post 2329003)
So some interesting information I found out about Texas Rush- Open Rush (meaning not by invitation only....) did not begin until at least 1988.

I saw an Alcalde article mentioned on "that other website" and looked it up and it's legit.... Also interesting that that during the time my mom was at UT- the sororities were not registered with the university as student organizations..... Who knew someone involved in a "rebel" organization in college would go on to have 8 children who weren't even allow to chew gum or say "shut up" to each other..... hehe

Info can be found in the January 1988 Alcalde on pg 14. Not sure if I am allowed to post a pic here?

I would love to read that article. What did you search to find it?
DH is a lifetime member so we have an Alcalde subscription.

APhiLife 08-27-2015 06:13 PM

If you search for "Alcalde Google Books" it will bring up a page where you can search through back issues. If you search there for "Alcalde Panhellenic" it brings up several articles about Rush during the 60's, 70's & 80's.

Katmandu 08-27-2015 06:38 PM

Wow, so all of the rounds were invitation only. Did girls register for Rush with PanHellenic, or did they independently let the various chapters know they were interested? No wonder so many chapters have come and gone or struggled in the past. I am proud that Kappa Delta had the brass to try it again and make a go of it in 1980!

Did Nebraska also have invitation only until recently, or am I delusional about that. Someone did in the Midwest....I think...

tinydancer 08-27-2015 07:06 PM

All rounds were by invitation only. You registered with Panhellenic and you filled out an information form for every chapter and mailed it to a chapter representative. The chapters decided who they would invite out of all the applicants. Don't you know that was some job!

Benzgirl 08-27-2015 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Katmandu (Post 2329050)
I am proud that Kappa Delta had the brass to try it again and make a go of it in 1980!

My cousin was in one of KDs first PCs. She loved it.

Just interested 08-27-2015 10:29 PM

Yes, indeed, Greek Life was not recognized by the University for a number of years. Panhellenic hired their own director. Her office was off campus on the ground floor of a private dorm. It was to her that Texas Kappa Delta alumnae went to to see if they might have the opportunity to recolonize. You also have to understand that at this time 1000+ girls would register for rush and quota for every chapter was set at 50 (for years) It didn't matter how many registered, quota was 50. It was the wild West. I am so very proud of our Sigma Epsilon Kappa Delta chapter. (Even if UT Mom ranks us #11) We have been #1 or #2 in grades for several years, raised thousands of dollars for our community service projects. What a testament to those alumnae who took a risk 35 years ago and put up their own money to buy a House which they knew was a necessity to survive. I couldn't be more proud. I know I'm ranting a bit but so be it.

Katmandu 08-27-2015 10:42 PM

Unbelievable! What a system to break into, and Sigma Epsilon does us proud.

I love hearing about how recruitment has evolved and transformed over the years at various schools. Recruitment is probably more fair, more open and more diverse now with RFM than at any other time in our past

Herbie 08-27-2015 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Katmandu (Post 2329050)
Did Nebraska also have invitation only until recently, or am I delusional about that. Someone did in the Midwest....I think...

In the last few years, Nebraska has implemented an Open House round where each chapter house is visited by all rushees.

Prior to that, the President and Recruitment Chair from each chapter would give a presentation to all of the PNMs in the Union on the first day of recruitment. The second day of recruitment invite lists would go out and it would be the first opportunity for PNMs to visit the actual chapter houses. Invites for this day were based on recruitment applications and recommendations. There was no way to visit all of the houses as there were less parties on day 2 than actual chapters.

I would have appreciated an Open House round when I went through. There were a few chapter houses I didn't enter until I was a Rho Gam as a senior. It was hard to decide what chapters to accept invites from after the short presentations on day 1.

SWTXBelle 08-28-2015 05:31 AM

So you couldn't accept invites to all chapters who invited you?

jenidallas 08-28-2015 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Herbie (Post 2329139)
Prior to that, the President and Recruitment Chair from each chapter would give a presentation to all of the PNMs in the Union on the first day of recruitment. The second day of recruitment invite lists would go out and it would be the first opportunity for PNMs to visit the actual chapter houses. Invites for this day were based on recruitment applications and recommendations. There was no way to visit all of the houses as there were less parties on day 2 than actual chapters.

I would have appreciated an Open House round when I went through. There were a few chapter houses I didn't enter until I was a Rho Gam as a senior. It was hard to decide what chapters to accept invites from after the short presentations on day 1.

It was this way at Texas Tech as well prior to 1994. We had 12 chapters but PNMs could only visit 9 so both parties potentially engaged in "blind cutting" (PNMs who received more than 9 invitations had to decline (or decline with regrets) the extras. And even in 1994 when we started open house, the earliest years were truly a minimally "staffed" house tour. We could have (if I recall) 15 chapter women there and two Rho Gamma groups came through at a time for 10-15 minutes each. No songs, decorations, or speeches - just a quick house tour.

Katmandu 08-28-2015 06:55 AM

Wow, I had no idea this was at all common as late as the mid 90s. Fascinating...and stressful for all sides.

Herbie 08-28-2015 08:39 AM

I rushed in the 2000s and that was my experience.

austingammaphi 08-28-2015 08:41 AM

When I went through in 1982, I was invited to 10 of the 15 houses and had to decline two invitations with regrets. One of the ones I turned down was Gamma Phi Beta; even though I had met some wonderful girls during summer rush (also a thing; Panhellenic called a halt to it several years ago after multiple violations of the rules), I had high school and family friends in the other houses and felt that my chances would be better there. Went to all eight houses, then was handed four invitations (the maximum you could accept) for the next round. Five houses had dropped me, leaving three remaining--but Gamma Phi put me back on their invitation list, and after visiting the maximum three houses on pref night, I had Gamma Phi at the top of my list. Later, the rush chair told me that they had never gone back and reinvited someone in the middle of rush, but several girls urged her to put me back on the list because we'd had so much fun that summer.

Also, even though Panhellenic wasn't officially recognized by the university, every sorority and its members were prominently featured in The Cactus yearbook every year.

honeychile 08-28-2015 09:12 AM

This is so amazing to those of us not from Texas!

ChioLu 08-28-2015 01:58 PM

When I went through at Tulsa, I had 3 party invites for (2 party) Pref and had to regret 1. All 3 were/are great chapters and I would have been happy to be in any of the 3. I was tearing up that I had to regret one.

(Your jaw might drop with this next part ...) I was actually able to WRITE on the invite "So sorry I have to reqret. XYZ is a wonderful chapter with amazing women." (The invites were 2 page carbons -- 1 went to Panhellenic, 1 went to the sorority.) On bid night (in my new XO shirt), I saw some of the XYZ girls who came up, hugged me, congratulated me and said they were sad that I had to regret also (b/c they read the copy that went to the chapter), but knew I would have a wonderful Greek experience in Chi Omega.

AnchorAlum 08-28-2015 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 2329509)
This is so amazing to those of us not from Texas!

Hey, those of us from Florida might think it was a RELIEF not to have to get heat stroke walking to 19 houses as I did at FSU many years ago.

But sorry, at the end of the day PNM's should be welcomed to every single house on the campus.

Katmandu 08-28-2015 08:58 PM

I really like the "decline with regret" option. Sometimes girls get cut later in the process and rethink rankings. When I rushed, we actually got all the invitations physically, so there were no delusions that "so and so really liked me but somehow, XYZ ranked me higher and bumped me out of so and so's list". You either had an invitation or you didn't. However, as a rush counsellor I definitely saw girls decline invites in early rounds, be cut heavily in later rounds and think to myself that her perfect match may have been left on the floor in round 2. Decline with regret would allow for chapters to extend an invite later. Most times it wouldn't make a difference, but it might...for both the chapter and the PNM. Especially for WRC, but I guess in most locations RFM has taken care of that.

God, I really am a Panhellenic Greek life geek.

KDCat 08-29-2015 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Katmandu (Post 2329130)
Unbelievable! What a system to break into, and Sigma Epsilon does us proud.

I love hearing about how recruitment has evolved and transformed over the years at various schools. Recruitment is probably more fair, more open and more diverse now with RFM than at any other time in our past

The UT -Austin chapter of Kappa Delta is a terrific chapter. It's so annoying when people talk crap about them.

Texas PNMs have an embarrassment of riches. They have so many great chapters to join. To see so many PNMs walk away from great chapters, because they didn't get their top pick is frustrating. To see them walk away because they didn't get a pick that Greek Rank would approve of is crazy-making.

jolene 08-29-2015 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KDCat (Post 2329885)
The UT -Austin chapter of Kappa Delta is a terrific chapter. It's so annoying when people talk crap about them.

Texas PNMs have an embarrassment of riches. They have so many great chapters to join. To see so many PNMs walk away from great chapters, because they didn't get their top pick is frustrating. To see them walk away because they didn't get a pick that Greek Rank would approve of is crazy-making.

^^^^^So much like in this post. :D:D The Alpha Xi chapter there is excellent but for some reason they get a lot of hate. :confused:

navane 08-29-2015 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KDCat (Post 2329885)
Texas PNMs have an embarrassment of riches.

That's a great way to put it!

carnation 08-29-2015 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KDCat (Post 2329885)
To see them walk away because they didn't get a pick that Greek Rank would approve of is crazy-making.


You're kidding, do they really?

KDCat 08-29-2015 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by carnation (Post 2329903)
You're kidding, do they really?

Greek Rank is just on-line tent talk and some of them listen to it. Longhorn Mom and her daughter basically took the Greek Rank stuff to heart and walked away from some really great chapters. Those numbers that Longhorn Mom was using? She got them from Greek Rank.

Katmandu 08-29-2015 06:24 PM

Yea, when you look at the bid day pics, chapter officers, activities, etc of the "struggling, bottom, no one wants" Texas chapters you seelarge chapters with gorgeous girls involved in every conceivable campus activity, including queens and campus leadership, but they are still trashed. So myopic. Oh well, it does keep out some problem members with attitude, so maybe it's all good.

jolene 10-09-2015 09:10 PM

Holy cow. So glad I never went to Texas. My prayers and sympathies are with any lady who rushed there. O.o Seems more brutal than other SEC. My first rec girl rushed there, but she went DG--out of state gal, a soph. She felt AXiD were too pageantish.

FSUZeta 10-10-2015 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by AnchorAlum (Post 2329609)
Hey, those of us from Florida might think it was a RELIEF not to have to get heat stroke walking to 19 houses as I did at FSU many years ago.

But sorry, at the end of the day PNM's should be welcomed to every single house on the campus.

You're not kidding! Or sprinting from the Sigma Sigma Sigma house to Alpha Xi Delta house or your house in heels in 15 minutes!

DGTess 10-10-2015 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Longhorn Mom (Post 2374556)
This sums up my perception exactly. The greek system at UT is not big compared to the size of the school but it attracts the cream of the crop. A friend whose daughter rushed at Alabama said that at Bama, there is a house for any girl who want to go greek....not so at Texas. Texas greek life is absolutely elitist, especially at the 'top' and 'mid' tiers and even to some degree at the 'low' tier. I imagine a new chapter would have a very rough time of it at Texas.

I think it depends how you define "cream of the crop".

It attracts those who define themselves as such.

Every bit more I read about UT makes me more pleased my daughter chose not to rush.

AZTheta 10-11-2015 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Longhorn Mom (Post 2374554)
the rankings I used were my own. I'm an '85 UT grad and have a solid sense of rankings as I saw things back then and see things now...not much has changed. There is one chapter that was the high end of the low tier that has moved up a few spots. There was a mid tier that has dropped to the low tier.

The first time I read about the Big 6 article in Texas Monthly was when my daughter decided to go through rush in March 2015. I knew when I was at Texas in the early 80's that the Big 6 were the Big 6. It's almost a caste system at Texas. The frats have a little more movement but the sororities are pretty static.

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Originally Posted by Longhorn Mom (Post 2374555)
The UT sorority houses are stunning, actually. The 'stately mansions' of the SEC, like the Aggie houses, are newish, big, brick blocks with columns stuck on. The sorority houses at Texas are unique, historic and often built with native rock. They are on expensive real estate. They are special, which is why Texas sororities in particular will not go out and "build a new house" like other chapters might.

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Originally Posted by Longhorn Mom (Post 2374556)
This sums up my perception exactly. The greek system at UT is not big compared to the size of the school but it attracts the cream of the crop. A friend whose daughter rushed at Alabama said that at Bama, there is a house for any girl who want to go greek....not so at Texas. Texas greek life is absolutely elitist, especially at the 'top' and 'mid' tiers and even to some degree at the 'low' tier. I imagine a new chapter would have a very rough time of it at Texas.

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Originally Posted by Longhorn Mom (Post 2374559)
The thing is this: pledging XYZ sorority at U of H is not the same at all as pledging XYZ at UT. The sororities vary so much based on the school that it's at.

Texas is on it's high horse, for sure....having 100 year old chapters creates that...nothing new on this. Not saying its right, but that's what it is.

She's baaaack. And editing like crazy, as usual. So QFP fast, folks. Missed catching the post where she shared that Special Snowflake accepted a COB at a chapter that was "beneath her" during formal. Oh boy.

ETA: moms like this one are a huge part of perpetuating the tier talk and the nastiness. She's carrying stuff from 30 years ago around. You'd think she'd get tired of carrying all the baggage, but apparently not.

ComradesTrue 10-11-2015 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Longhorn Mom (Post 2374801)
On tiers: it's hard to get away from tier talk for anything. Universities are ranked, class rankings determine college acceptance, we get the top 100 restaurants, etc. This is standard stuff in life today....and it's OK. You are taking it personally and there is no need to do so.

Ranking restaurants is NOT the same as ranking people. You, dear, are ranking people. It doesn't get any more shallow than that.

AZTheta 10-11-2015 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Longhorn Mom (Post 2374801)
On edits: yes....my typing skills are weak. I'm glad I can fix things after the fact.

On tiers: it's hard to get away from tier talk for anything. Universities are ranked, class rankings determine college acceptance, we get the top 100 restaurants, etc. This is standard stuff in life today....and it's OK. You are taking it personally and there is no need to do so.

My friend's daughter who rushed at Bama this year said her daughter got dropped from "all but the 2 bottom tier houses". She accepted a bid from the 2nd to the bottom house...her own words. Mom and daughter are thrilled. Her daughter eats breakfast/lunch daily at the house and is having the time of her life. Mom said that if her daughter had gotten into one of the mid/top tiers, they would've "eaten her alive". Does mom's description of that house being "bottom tier" mean those girls aren't of good girls, have value and aren't cute? No.

On the 30 yrs ago: not at all; you don't seem to know the greek culture at Texas but I do. It's different. Not much changes there on the existing sororities. Ask any student/mom with experience in it.

No nastiness on my part for sure, so not sue why you are being so negative towards me. If it's due to my ranking, see comments above.

Have a great Sunday!

Bless your heart. No amount of explaining is going to get through that thick skull of yours. Or your thin skin, either.

tinydancer 10-11-2015 12:34 PM

I swear, I just can't stand it!!


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