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In all actuality canadiandeltagirl is right. I am an American and have lived here for 24 years and this is the most racist nation of all. Please do not get offended by her comments it is so true. Everything is Black or White. She do not have to live here to know that. This country is supposed to be the greatest nation. The land of the free etc. etc. BUT we all know thats bullshit. The reality is that the color of your skin still matters all most as much as it did in the 60's. I live in Indiana. Right now we have been fighting the KKK for a year to try and keep them from rallying in Gary Indiana. Gary Indiana! You tell me WHY on Earth would they want to rally there unless to start some shit. See only in America does the government defend a bunch of racist sick assholes. Riots going on in Ohio because of senseless killings of young Black Men! Chicago was determined to be the most segregated city in the U.S. Valpraiso,In which is about 30 min away from me just had TWO cross burnings on peoples lawns. One house was spray painted full of racist grafitti! In the city I live in TWO houses were spray painted with nigger and jew something on it. Racial Profiling is bigger than ever! This country is fighting to keep Equal Opportunity laws, why? I mean if this was not a racist country why would you even need laws like that? Why affirmative action you know why folks, because America is the land of the racist! On every level in every race.
In America there are people who are racist against their own race. I know a BLACK woman who stated that she did not want to live around any Black people because they are trifling. A white woman said she would NEVER date a white man. What is that?please. America is home to me but I would never deny the fact that its one racist ass country. |
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Girl, that is SOOOO funny!!! Where did you get that!? Yes, I agree! John, please close this bad boy down! |
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Wow--that's strange--suddenly there's a great desire to close down this topic because several individuals have posted their personal truths. Uncomfortable facts, but nonetheless true.
Why is that? Would it be better if we went back to talking about shiny, happy, things such as shopping, or sports, or sorority girl "necessities"? If we're going to tell canadiandeltagirl about how great this country is, and about its tenets of freedom and justice and free speech, how can we display the exact opposite in our words/actions? Suddenly there's a hue and cry to shut down the board because someone's post disturbed the sense of contentment/complacency. Shouldn't everyone get a chance to have their say--be it good, bad, ugly or in between? Signed, Someone posting from the "land of the free and the home of the BRAVE..." ------------------ --a TRUe to the BLUe #2, made at Theta Mu! Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc. ~~Univ of Okla., FA'91~~ Rho Eta Zeta, AACO, MD |
I have no problem with people voicing their opinions - in fact i rejoice in it - i wouldn't want to be a lawyer and defend he constitution and every right that comes with it if i didn't. i am a firm believer and supporter of the aclu - however, if a person cannot voice their opinion wth some class, respect, and proper language, i do have a problem. intelligent posts of views different than my own earn respect and admiration... posts that are full of improper language imply thoughtlessnes to me.
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"...posts that are full of improper language imply thoughtlessnes to me." maybe i missed it, but where was the improper language? ------------------ --a TRUe to the BLUe #2, made at Theta Mu! Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc. ~~Univ. of Okla., FA'91~~ Rho Eta Zeta, AACO, MD |
laughing in my boots yet again http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif...mf's act like i am the ONLY "chick" in the world that is dramatic on occasion...whew...where is the love...where is the luh uh uv...where is the luh uv...where is the luh uh uv...
you should join the sorority you feel you can best vibe in and not feel like you have to put out a "hit" on every member of that particular organization you meet... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif have fantasies of slashing tires...keying their nice shiny cars that so elegantly hold letter plates...running up to them on the lawn and just snatching an article off em...like a hat or key chain or maybe hell...just snatch their jacket right quick...oh, um, i had a digression...never mind that... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif where do those evil thoughts come from...tick...tick...tick... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif [This message has been edited by VctoriasSecrt (edited May 08, 2001).] |
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In my opinion, I don't think people are answering this or debating about this any longer on the last couple of pages. That is why I think it should be shut down. I have no problem debating about how the U.S is or is not racist...let's do it! Let's start a new thread! However, this thread is NOT the place for it. It is off the subject in my opinion. However, if we want to get back to the topic at hand, cool. Let's do that too and we can keep this open for discussion. I just have a big problem when topics get off the subject like this. To me, it's gone WAY off task. I don't mind a tangent or two, but bring it back people! Bring it back! That's all I'm saying. peace |
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I apologize moderator(s)... I know the "issue at hand" and I didn't help with this remark. I just couldn't help myself. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif [This message has been edited by AKA2D '91 (edited May 08, 2001).] |
One often forgets how good we have it here in America. Yes, America is racist. I will be the first to admit that. We must keep in mind that because of freedom of the press, situations like what caused the (NOW OVER!) Cincinatti riots--things that happen in other nations ALL THE TIME--aren't really covered in other nations because the governments usually keep such a tight grip on the media. As someone who has actually had the OPPORTUNITY to live in other nations--I know exactly how good we have it here in America...and don't forget it! One of the freedoms I have and exercise is the right to join any sorority I'd like--and if anyone insults me or has issues with that...they know where they can go.
BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC...I sincerely hope no one is losing sleep over a person's decision to rush a sorority that may not be predominately the same race, because life isn't worth it. The important thing is finding the group of people with whom you feel most comfortable and with whom you feel YOU CAN MAKE THE MOST IMPACT IN YOUR RESPECTIVE COMMUNITY. I read the article about the girl at UA who didn't get a bid during Rush. I'm surprised no one had anything to say about that, I guess it was overlooked. So...what does everyone think about that? In 2000, a black female at the University of Alabama does not make it to the second round of Rush--which is rare, even in a Greek system like Alabama's--keeping the NPC/NIC system at UA totally white. Just a little reminder of how far we have to go. It's interesting to me how she's still considering joining an NPHC group after all this publicity regarding her struggle to join an NPC sorority. ------------------ Quote:
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I will say it again - this is America. The same America that my family fought and died to defend. If it were AmeriKKKa, then my grandfather wouldn't have been given Medals of Honor for freeing one of the concentration camps in Hitler's sick world. If it were AmeriKKKa, then you wouldn't have the rights to freedom of speech (including posting on this board - maybe you didn't realize that we don't have too many people posting on here from Iraq or Cuba). And yes it is AmeriCa - as in "C-ya" later if you don't like it here. Don't sit and bitch about how terrible life here is - get the hell out. Why should you leave, you ask? You are the one complaining about it - not us. If I go to the store and get treated like crap, I take my business elsewhere. I don't sit around and bitch about the employees but still shop there, because there are plenty of other places for me to shop. Same applies to where you live. But then again, why do I bother? People have to want to make it work -- you can't just say "I have an open mind" knowing that the "closed" sign is superglued to the front door. |
Ok, guys and gals this is kind of getting off topic, continue this on the Chit Chat section. About the minorities joining "white" sororities is whatever rocks their boat!
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Can you tell me a little bit about your research that says BGLOs as an entity discriminated on the basis of skin color or did the paper bag test back in the day? I am really looking for a little more than antidotal evidence, if you can. The reason I ask is because I am a graduate of Spelman College and as a HS student when I would tell (some) people that I wanted to go to Spelman they would say I wasn't light enough or that I didn't have long hair and that Spelman was founded for the illegitmate daughters of wealthy white men http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif When I got to Spelman I found out that that couldn't be farther from the truth. According to pictures in the campus archives, the first class at Spelman had several women with very pronounced African features and hair and some other women on the more medium brown scale. As a whole, the group did not fit that mold. Don't get me wrong, I know that there were (still are for that matter!) organizations/entities that used this test, if only by visual inspection. I remember going to Savannah on a Girl Scout trip and visiting a church that had a piece of wood nailed to a pedestal in the vestibule. According to the tour guide, if you were darker than the piece of wood, then you could not come in!! BTW...I agree with you that it is unreasonable to always hold institutions responsible for something that was national policy until about 50 years ago. If we did this consistently there are a whole lotta places that we (as Black folks) would not be living, working or shopping!! And I bet you, that very few people would be willing to give up their jobs, nice suburban homes and weekly visits to the mall on "they useta not let us in here!" |
Damn.. This topic is really heating up. And for THE RECORD i agree with prettydeltagirl..DisNDat U take yo http://www.plauder-smilies.de/devil/fork_off.gif ass away.. Why should we leave hell we built Amerikkk!!img]http://www.plauder-smilies.de/nono.gif[/img]
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Damn.. This topic is really heating up. And for THE RECORD i agree with prettydeltagirl..DisNDat U take yo http://www.plauder-smilies.de/devil/fork_off.gif ass away.. Why should we leave hell we built Amerikkk!!img]http://www.plauder-smilies.de/nono.gif[/img]
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IN MY CIRCLES THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE REFERRED TO AS "IMAGINATIONS OF LIFE" I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE MOVIE. THEY WERE USUALLY LOOKED DOWN UPON BY US,THERE WERE A FEW WHO CONSIDERED PASSING UNTIL THEY WERE NOT ACCEPTED THEN THEY TURNED TO THE BLACK SORORITIES.I DON'T RECALL ANY MEN WHO PLEDGED WHITE FRATERNITIES.
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IN MY CIRCLES THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE REFERRED TO AS "IMAGINATIONS OF LIFE" I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE MOVIE. THEY WERE USUALLY LOOKED DOWN UPON BY US,THERE WERE A FEW WHO CONSIDERED PASSING UNTIL THEY WERE NOT ACCEPTED THEN THEY TURNED TO THE BLACK SORORITIES.I DON'T RECALL ANY MEN WHO PLEDGED WHITE FRATERNITIES.
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IN MY CIRCLES THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE REFERRED TO AS "IMAGINATIONS OF LIFE" I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE MOVIE. THEY WERE USUALLY LOOKED DOWN UPON BY US,THERE WERE A FEW WHO CONSIDERED PASSING UNTIL THEY WERE NOT ACCEPTED THEN THEY TURNED TO THE BLACK SORORITIES.I DON'T RECALL ANY MEN WHO PLEDGED WHITE FRATERNITIES.
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HA! Imaginations of Life...it's a good movie, though.
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I am a ZTA and in Zeta we have girls of all different ethnic backgrounds. I think this is what makes us special. I love my sisters and I think each one of us brings something unique to our chapter. There is also a chapter of Delta Chi on our campus that has brothers of different ethnic backgrounds. I believe between our chapter and the chapter of Delta Chi on our campus that we have people from 6 different countries. We have White, Black, Asian and German, etc...I am sorry if people are still trying to make everything racial. Live Life to the fullest treat people good and Love Thy Neighbor. I am so thankful for my Awesome Sisters and for my Wonderful Friends in Delta Chi. I would not trade their friendship for anything. FlorDeMayo |
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I think that this is awful. We teach our children to love each othe, yet we are the one nagging racial problems. Try doing something positive instead of placing blame. I know of so many paople that said they did not get into a soroity or fraternity because of race, and then I looked at the person and learned about what type of person and I would not have wanted these people in my chapter, but not because of race just because of themselves. I have a white friend that wanted to be in AKA and they told her that she could not get in because she was white, you know she did not get angry she forgave them and went on with her life. I also have friend of different races that have had the same problem. The Lord also has the Answers. I wish everyone could be blind for a week, do you think we would still have the same problems? |
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"Oh and Zchi4Life, trust me I know why such frats (African AM, Latino/a etc) are in existance, could it be segregation? " That offended me. We exist because we serve our communities at this point. We are NOT some sort of afterthought, or second best org for those who are not allowed into NPC orgs. That was what got me. |
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I only know what I have been told by Black Greeks. Basically what I have been told is it did happen, it doesn't happen anymore, and everyone else was doing it too. I remember reading similar comments in the "Oprah" thread. I have never questioned the validity of this answer since Greeks know so much about their own history. It would be nice if this information was available in written form, but I don't think this is the kind of thing you would read about in "Through The Years" or "In Search of Sisterhood". I haven't read either of these books, so I may be wrong. (I'm not singling out these 2 organizations, I just know the names of their books off the top of my head). I have never heard that Spelman was a school for the illegitimate daughters of White men. But I have read time and time again on GC that in the early 1900s, the only Blacks that could afford post-secondary education were wealthy Blacks who just happened to also be light-skinned. If you say that was not the case at Spelman, I have to wonder why that was the case at Howard? |
Being one of the few minorities in my chapter I am well aware that I am always going to be pegged as "the asian chi-o." It's a decision that I made though. It's weird, because I certainly don't feel the same pressure that a black girl would about joining a BGLO since Asian sororities are not all that common. I think that I could never feel comfortable in an asian sorority anyways. I grew up in a predominantly white town in Louisiana. Racism, I grew up with it. Somehow though, I feel that putting myself in these diverse situations only makes me a better person. Obviously, my childhood would have been a lot easier if I lived in a asian neighborhood and only talked to asian people. In reality though, the world doesn't look like that. The world is not all black and all white. Some of my asian friends feel sorry that I go to predominantly white school and that I don't get to hang out with asians, but my school is probably a pretty fair representation of the way America looks today.
At the same time, I have been thinking about recruitment lately. I am about to go through my first recruitment period this year, and I was thinking about how one of my black sisters wanted to get more black girls in our sorority. Recruitment should not just be about getting numbers or having a "toekn black girl". RedHotChiO [This message has been edited by RedHotChiO (edited May 28, 2001).] |
While there aren't many minorities in the NPC organizations on my campus, it's not unheard of and it's not frowned upon at all! I myself am half Puerto Rican (but look almost completely Hispanic). My chapter also has 2 Asian girls and one African American girl (to be P.C.). No one is treated any differently from anyone else, and we all get along really well!
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Joining a chapter is about going to the organization you feel the most comfortable with, not the ones who have the same heritage or sking tone. My chapter is very diveres and we like it that way! We are not a "white" sorority, I actually find that term insulting!
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Joining a chapter is about going to the organization you feel the most comfortable with, not the ones who have the same heritage or sking tone. My chapter is very diverse and we like it that way! We are not a "white" sorority, I actually find that term insulting!
Join the chapter because you identify with them, not because they look like you. YITS! |
Joining a chapter is about going to the organization you feel the most comfortable with, not the ones who have the same heritage or skin tone. My chapter is very diverse and we like it that way! We are not a "white" sorority, I actually find that term insulting!
Join the chapter because you identify with them, not because they look like you. YITS! |
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I'm not sure why that was (if it was) the case at Howard, I just know that from my own personal research that there were several dark skinned black women in the first graduating classes at Spelman and that, to my knowledge, there has never been a stipulation that applicants sent in pictures or come in for an interview before they are accepted. That said to me that there were no "paper bag tests" there. Now, talking about who could afford higher education and who was excluded because of their skin color are totally different things... |
This is a topic that is very close to my heart. I am an African-American that is a VERY proud member of a "white" sorority. I didn't chose Kappa Delta because they were white, I chose Kappa Delta because they believed the same things that I did. There morals and ideas are along my lines. My Kappa Delta sisters are the best friends that I have. My Big Sister is also African-American and we are accepted for who we are not for what our skin color is. If you find an organization that you like, it should not matter if it is "black" or "white" what should matter is how you feel about that organiations, purpose and meaning.
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