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Virtual Violet 05-15-2002 12:27 AM

Re: Honorary???
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Inquisitive06
As I reply to some of the responses to my last post, I do want to clarify some things. To CHOASDST.......much respect to your post (as well as the other responses). I do think that in my haste (with regard to my last post) I may have given some people the wrong impression. My post was basically three-fold:

1. To disagree with putting anyone (dead or alive) on the roles of any organization, PERIOD.

2. To question (and voice my personal 'displeasure' with) the 'honorary status' thang and

3. To show how the first two could have a similar result.

Now, my opinions were just that....OPINIONS!!! The idea of an "honorary" member, affiliation, status, soror or frat or whatever one chooses to call them serves no purpose (my opinion only) but ONE; and that is so that folks can put their name on the list.

I have been in greekdom for 14 years and I have seen it time and time and time again...where we boast (all of our orgs.) about who is down 'wit us.

When I hear that so and so is a Delta or so and so is a Sigma or so and so is an Alpha, AKA, Que or whatever, I don't hear people AVOIDING the honorary members. They don't say "well that person is a member but not a soror". I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT.....EVER.

THIS IS WHAT I MEAN BY "PADDING THE NUMBERS".......................... Not literally "padding" how many people our orgs. have in total, but "padding" our number of "famous" members. I even remember looking at one particular organization's list of famous members several years ago, and I swear that about 75% (at least) were honorary. This was where my whole opinion on this whole thing was birthed.

So why are we now (seemingly) putting the distinction on "soror" vs. "member" versus "honorary". As far as I have seen, there is NO distinction when it comes to our many chapter websites that "PROUDLY" promote our achieving members.......even if they didn't pledge (or seek) us!!! I do NOT see any category separation.

Also, as my Frat. Bruh stated, I too have seen many people on Alpha lists who were not FRAT. As I said in my first post, all orgs. have this problem and it is not intentional but rather mistaken. Peace. In greek love......

InQ '06

In Delta, there is a distinction between a soror and a member, although I'm not going to go into it here. But again, you can be assured it is not to "pad" our numbers. The honor of being welcomed into Delta is rare, very few are invited, and their have been cycles where NO ONE is offered an honorary membership.

Delta (or any BLGO for that matter) isn't hurting for members. And as for our Honorary SORORS, they are just that, SORORS and the honor is given for their achievments....not so Delta can have bragging rights! There are several HONORARY SORORS that the general public doesn't even know about, or aren't even aware that they were/are HONORARY SORORS.

I just don't agree with the "number padding" theory.

DOVE1920 05-15-2002 12:44 AM

Re: Oprah and Condoleeza
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Big Poppa Ice
I heard Oprah is an honorary Delta and Condoleeza Rice would be made this year...

As far as ALPHA goes, a lot of people have said that Wes Unseld is a Bro., but he is actually an Eternal Sphinxman. I also heard Chris Webber and LaVar Arrington are Frat, but I haven't gotten any verification on that...

Condoleeza is a member of Alpha Chi Omega, a PHC sorority.....

Inquisitive06 05-15-2002 08:45 PM

Thanks for the reply
 
Duly noted!! DULY NOTED!!!! I truly see your point. Having said that, I guess that we disagree with this one (and that's cool). No hard feelings.

In Alpha, we "honor" various people (male & female) with different prestegious awards (BUT NOT MEMBERSHIP ON ANY LEVEL). Some of the awards are for "brothers" who have achieve excellence, and others are reserved for ANYONE (or the general populace).

In either category, we do not "HONOR" ANYONE with those precious A Phi A letters (no matter how it is categorized, i.e. "frat" vs "member", vs. "honorary brother", etc). WE JUST DON'T DO IT!!!! It's NOT the ALPHA WAY.

We have even "honored" MEN who are actually members of other BGLO's with some of our highest honors. I think that is mad cool (that it doesn't necessarily have to be an ALPHA). But as I have stated in my first post on this subject......."There is only ONE way into ALPHA and that is through the FRONT DOOR!!!!!!!

Hey, I PLEDGED OLD SCHOOL (Spring '87) and I guess that I have a certain "Old School mentality" to a certain respect. I believe that our organizations are something to be sought after (by those who truly want it).

I know of some people who have been made "honorary" by certain organizations and they have Masters Degrees and PHD's (so they have the "college experience"). They also live in high profile cities where there are large Graduate or Alumni Chapters and NEVER SOUGHT THE ORG. Why?

Let me also state for the record that EVERY SINGLE BLACK WOMAN IN MY ENTIRE FAMILY WHO IS COLLEGE EDUCATED (except for ONE Aunt) is a DELTA. My entire family is made up of Alphas and Deltas (period), so I have a tremendous amount of respect for your organization in particular (but all in general).

Virtual Violet 05-15-2002 10:39 PM

Re: Thanks for the reply
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Inquisitive06
Duly noted!! DULY NOTED!!!! I truly see your point. Having said that, I guess that we disagree with this one (and that's cool). No hard feelings.

In Alpha, we "honor" various people (male & female) with different prestegious awards (BUT NOT MEMBERSHIP ON ANY LEVEL). Some of the awards are for "brothers" who have achieve excellence, and others are reserved for ANYONE (or the general populace).

In either category, we do not "HONOR" ANYONE with those precious A Phi A letters (no matter how it is categorized, i.e. "frat" vs "member", vs. "honorary brother", etc). WE JUST DON'T DO IT!!!! It's NOT the ALPHA WAY.

We have even "honored" MEN who are actually members of other BGLO's with some of our highest honors. I think that is mad cool (that it doesn't necessarily have to be an ALPHA). But as I have stated in my first post on this subject......."There is only ONE way into ALPHA and that is through the FRONT DOOR!!!!!!!

Hey, I PLEDGED OLD SCHOOL (Spring '87) and I guess that I have a certain "Old School mentality" to a certain respect. I believe that our organizations are something to be sought after (by those who truly want it).

I know of some people who have been made "honorary" by certain organizations and they have Masters Degrees and PHD's (so they have the "college experience"). They also live in high profile cities where there are large Graduate or Alumni Chapters and NEVER SOUGHT THE ORG. Why?

Let me also state for the record that EVERY SINGLE BLACK WOMAN IN MY ENTIRE FAMILY WHO IS COLLEGE EDUCATED (except for ONE Aunt) is a DELTA. My entire family is made up of Alphas and Deltas (period), so I have a tremendous amount of respect for your organization in particular (but all in general).

There was never any hard feelings, we just agree to disagree that's all. Its cool:cool:

Finer Woman10-A-91 05-16-2002 02:35 AM

Well...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
... I have yet to see our former first lady of the city of New Orleans all decked in para. She has been speaker for various sorority functions.


You know I went to school with her. I seriously doubt she would be decked out in para. (Not with all of the AKAs I am sure she knew while an undergrad at Howard.):eek:

On a semi-related note, how do you feel about members who pursued graduate membership who you know could have gone undergrad? I mean members who either did not make line or did not even consider undergraduate membership at all, how do you feel about them being members of your oganization?

AKA2D '91 05-16-2002 08:06 AM

Re: Well...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Finer Woman10-A-91



You know I went to school with her. I seriously doubt she would be decked out in para. (Not with all of the AKAs I am sure she knew while an undergrad at Howard.):eek:

you never know what one will or will not do regardless of who they know or where they went to school....

Quote:


On a semi-related note, how do you feel about members who pursued graduate membership who you know could have gone undergrad? I mean members who either did not make line or did not even consider undergraduate membership at all, how do you feel about them being members of your oganization? [/B]
how you feel about your sorority sisters in this situation is more important than my SORORS of AKA, don't you think?

:D

Finer Woman10-A-91 05-16-2002 11:57 AM

Re: Re: Well...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by AKA2D '91


you never know what one will or will not do regardless of who they know or where they went to school....



how you feel about your sorority sisters in this situation is more important than my SORORS of AKA, don't you think?

:D


You have misinterpreted my intentions and my comment. My comments were as they usually are, totally general in nature.
(But on a personal aside, I DO KNOW MY SCHOOL AND I DO KNOW HOW THE GREEKS GET DOWN THERE.) ANYONE who graduated from Howard University circa late 80's ..we are talking about folks who are still in their 30's ...VERY YOUNG IN GREEKDOM.. who would come on campus, or out in public in para, where they may meet someone who went to HU, (Howardites are EVERYWHERE)who did not pledge at HU, let alone became an honorary member, would be looked at like... HUH? This is not AKA specific.

Please do not take it personally. The fact you have not seen your Soror all decked out in para is probably not coincidental. (yes, speculation on my part...but I KNOW MY SCHOOL) Remember, Michelle saw ABOVE ground pledging, when it was all very legal. And her peers would be GREEKS who without a doubt pledged. The whole concept of MIP would have been alien to her since she not was not a member, AND she SAW the publicly visual side of pledging, which on Howard's campus is gone now. The only remnants in public you will see now are the "coming out" shows in the spring, where NEW members are introduced...NOT probates.

The scenario begs the question (again to the general Greek populace) regarding the feelings expressed here on the nature of the subject "famous greeks..or in this case inaccurate famous greeks." My follow up to the question was how do you feel about members(not necessarily famous) who PURSUED graduate membership who you know could have gone undergrad? I mean members who either did not make line or did not even consider undergraduate membership at all, how do you feel about them being members of your oganization?


Maybe this question was too sensitive for anyone to answer. I apologize to all who may have taken offense. But, I do have a scenario, that I thought was interesting. To be PC, I will not "out" the org. I am talking about. ;) .

Recently, I ran into a college buddy of mine who crossed grad 4 years ago. This buddy is now a member of XYZ fraternity here in NY. He had the audacity to tell me when we were in undergrad he thought XYZ was not on point. Now, I was cool with many members of XYZ fraternity, and not only were those brothers ON POINT...I MEAN THEY MADE IT HAPPEN in all of their programming, but they were very involved on campus. I straight checked him...I was personally offended.

I think he thought I was going to clown him because he knows I crossed undergrad. Let's keep it real, most of us are only in an undergraduate chapter for a couple of years. The majority of your Greek life, should you actually take the lifetime comittment to heart, will be in a graduate chapter. Its all good. But don't think disrespecting the undergraduates at our school is cool simply because they are undergrads and I am going to think its cool because I too am in grad now...SORRY. I know who was making it happen. IMHO, the proper thing would have been for him to say...it was not my time back in undergrad, I am happy I waited. BTW, this brother is thorough, but he lost a lot of Greek cool points with me on that one.

Discogoddess 05-16-2002 02:01 PM

Finer Woman:

I feel you on your last post. I HATE IT when sorors or other greeks who were initiated grad get to going about how trifling, mean, whatever the undergrad chapter was at their school. First of all, sometimes I want to say dang, MAN/WOMAN UP! Stop crying about it! It's over!

A.) How do they know whether or not I know the people/chapter they're downing? Many times I do, or at least know what was going on during that time period, cuz I was an undergrad at that time too. Case in point: How come one brother just looked hella stupid to me in Marshall's telling me all about how haze-happy the undergrad chapter was at his school, when he was talking about my cousin's (a very well-known Alpha in these parts) chapter? Another one: "sorors" "made" at a particular chapter, that was in all kinda trouble during the time period they specified. I know you went grad; you know you went grad...why all the silliness? Just be glad you were ABLE to get in at all!

B.) Ummm, I was made undergrad...wouldn't you want to keep your negative comments about undergraduates to yourself, for fear of offending me?

C.) Folks who went grad and try to claim their undergrad chapter, or leave off the "Omega" (for AKA) when giving their chapter name? If undergrad wasn't cool for you, for whatever reason, why would you try to claim it?

I love all my sorors and greeks, from all time periods, methods of attaining membership, etc., but sometimes, folks just get to me with their delusions! Just be true to your organization and true to yourself.

AKA2D '91 05-16-2002 02:15 PM

Who cares what Michelle saw or didn't see at Howard? I haven't seen her or any other honorary member wearing para. Mae did take the AKA flag to the moon, but hey she has it like that. ;) Like I said before, they have their "place" and I am not threatened by a honorary member.


Soror Discogoddess:
Who knows what's in a person's mind when they leave off "Omega", if they do? Have you asked the person why they say it that way? Have you tried to correct them?

Honeykiss1974 05-16-2002 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
I haven't seen her or any other honorary member wearing para. Mae did take the AKA flag to the moon, but hey she has it like that. ;)

Oh WOW! Ms. Jemison did! I didn't know that AKA is now INTERPLANETARY!!!!

DO IT LADIES!!!!!!!:D

Discogoddess 05-16-2002 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
Who cares what Michelle saw or didn't see at Howard? I haven't seen her or any other honorary member wearing para. Mae did take the AKA flag to the moon, but hey she has it like that. ;) Like I said before, they have their "place" and I am not threatened by a honorary member.


Soror Discogoddess:
Who knows what's in a person's mind when they leave off "Omega", if they do? Have you asked the person why they say it that way? Have you tried to correct them?

I'm speaking of the folks who leave off the "Omega" while in the midst of a conversation that is focused on "undergraduatey" sorts of things. In other, more general conversations with sorors, especially at regional conference, when a soror in the Chicago area says she's from Lambda Tau, Lambda Mu, Xi Nu Omega or other chapters, I generally understand her to mean she's from Lambda Tau Omega, Lambda Mu Omega, Xi Nu Omega, etc. I don't get pressed about that, cuz I know the soror isn't trying to pass off her chapter of initiation as an undergraduate one. Since I take pains to be sisterly and kind to all sorors I meet, I am bewildered as to why a soror would try to front or mask with me...despite my personal feelings on a number of issues within our sorority, I welcome ALL as my sorors, unless I witness them doing something grossly out-of-step with our principles (and then of course, I am correcting her in a sisterly manner).

Happydaysf91 05-16-2002 03:07 PM

Ohhhh I got some for you Soror Disco...
 
I know this off subject...

But I hate it when...people go graduate chapter and try to persuade you that the grad chapter process is harder than the undergrad :mad: . I had two friends 'made' grad chapter tell me this...they feel because its by 'invitation' only for us, it makes it oh, so more difficult:( . Give me a BREAK! And I know some grad chapters do still have some 'pledging' going on.....but most of the time it ain't like 'pledging' on the undergrad.


But like you Soror Disco...the worst is when they talk about the undergrad or say that they weren't down for whatever process or that the girls were not together/tore up (yes I have heard that) on that campus... I try to stop myself from responding...but one time I couldn't and was like, so they rejected you, huh:rolleyes: I had to leave after that...but me and the Soror are still cool (hahahaha)Point: You don't have to explain anything to me...I don't really care (most of the time)......you are still a Soror.

Do we need a new thread :D for this one?????

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thesweetestone 06-13-2002 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
Mae did take the AKA flag to the moon, but hey she has it like that. ;) Like I said before, they have their "place" and I am not threatened by a honorary member.

That is so cool!

Steve Harvey and Cedric the Entertainer are Ques right?

BigBoy 06-13-2002 05:39 PM

I know for sure Steve Harvey is a Que, but I don't know about Cedric.

Dexter 06-13-2002 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigBoy
I know for sure Steve Harvey is a Que, but I don't know about Cedric.
I've been told that Ced is a member of K-A-Psi or Phi Nu Pi

Mark06 06-13-2002 06:30 PM

Just a thought
 
Black Brothers and Sisters, let us remember this: We all pledged (well, most of us) :confused: into our vaious organization to promote similar causes. Well, at least I can tell you that Alpha's is "manly deeds, scholarship, and love for all mankind." Before anyone makes outrageous comments about who pledged what, let's remember that we are in EDUCATED organizations that know how to read. Therefore, if you see a fault in what someone has said, READ UP on the issue before you start ACCUSING an organization of lying.

AKA2D '91 06-13-2002 06:35 PM

WITHIT?
WITHIHTA?


http://www.plauder-smilies.de/sad/nixweiss.gif

:cool:

:D

prettypoodle6 06-13-2002 06:46 PM

cedric is a kappa

Virtual Violet 06-13-2002 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigBoy
I know for sure Steve Harvey is a Que, but I don't know about Cedric.
Per "The Divine Nine" Cedric is a Kappa Man.

ms_elephante2k1 06-13-2002 08:27 PM

From the book The Divine 9, Ced the Entertainer is a member of Kappa Alpha Psi, Inc.

PrettyKitty 06-17-2002 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Virtual Violet


Per "The Divine Nine" Cedric is a Kappa Man.

No you are NOT using that book as an historical reference....LOL..... :eek: .......but it is correct...for once...lol

Virtual Violet 06-17-2002 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrettyKitty


No you are NOT using that book as an historical reference....LOL..... :eek: .......but it is correct...for once...lol

No definitely not, but I think I remember Cedric himself talking about his Kappa days in some magazine or book.

PrettyKitty 06-17-2002 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Virtual Violet


No definitely not, but I think I remember Cedric himself talking about his Kappa days in some magazine or book.

o Sister Soror, I was joking :) :)

soul-searcher 06-17-2002 08:20 PM

Cedric was featured in Jet one month where they talked about his membership in Kappa. He is also pictued with another Kappa who is his manager (I think). He also gives a shout out to his frat in his book.

ClassyLady 06-18-2002 09:36 PM

Cedric was also on an episode on 106 & Park where he discussed being a Kappa. AJ (The Predator) said "Oh, I heard you were a Que right." And Ced told him that he was a Kappa, threw up the sign, and gave a shout out.

Also, on The Kings of Comedy, when Ced comes out, they show a young Kappa with a Phi Nu Pi shirt on throwing up the sign to Ced.

SeriousAKA 06-20-2002 06:58 PM

Is Eric Jerome Dickey an Alpha? At the end of his new book, Theives Paradise, he has '06 at the end of his signature so I'm assuming so but I don't know.

Inquisitive06 06-20-2002 11:10 PM

Yes he is!:)

CasanovaAPQ 06-22-2002 09:54 PM

wow this is interesting to see all this talk about famous people in frats, i am a member of ALPHA PHI OMEGA and we have alot of famous brohters, alot of which are famous members of the divine nine, but one thing i can say, i know my national web page focus on famous bros like Bill Clinton, lucious young(sigma), tego West(omega), patrick swegert(pres of howard/omega), JKF, bill cobsy(omeag), and countless congressman and people in government, we really dont focus on the TV personallities or entertainer, for one thing there are no honorary brothers of apo we have no grad chapters , alumin chapter but you cannot be in my org after school so all that talk about whos real or not isnt a issue in my frat, we all pledged the same, i knwo bill clintons line number , same goes for all the other people i have mentioned, but really it doesnt its really those bro who no one know that make the difference for the org, not the famous people, i know in my frat i find someone that is a member every day and im like wow, but i mean if they werent in my frat i wold stillbe proud to be in ALPHA PHI OMEGA. i mean its great to have them becuase my frat has alot but its really not the important,and all this stuff with grad chapters, i know im my frat we all pledge, there are no paper member as you would call it, there is a pledge process that ALL memebers og APO go through, now i will not be the one who tells but i know that its liek that in APO and really should be like that in all org, i mean that creats a split in an org really, but thats my 2 cents on it, just wanted to show some love to the alpha forum, holla

CASANOVA
#1-ADH-Spr01
University at albany
ALPHA PHI OMEGA
Service frat since 1925

Secretluv 06-26-2002 11:20 PM

Infinite Greek Magazine...

1. the Summer/Fall 2001 issue discusses Famous Greeks in Sports on page 23

2. the Winter/Spring 2001 issue discusses Famous Greek Comedians on page 16

3. the Winter/Spring 2002 issue discusses Notable Greeks in the Civil Rights Movement on page 7

prophet 07-10-2002 02:23 AM

Eh, I got one for ya'll....
 
Paul Newman is a Phi Kappa Tau, yea really, go check out his movie this friday. Road to Perdition<I think this is how you spell it:confused:
In Phi,
Heath
PKT

Virtual Violet 07-10-2002 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrettyKitty
o Sister Soror, I was joking :) :)
I know;)

Notorious33 07-10-2002 03:09 PM

Famous Members
 
Big A Phi to all the Greeks....Blaque love...its Phantastic
06 to my Frat...continue holding up the light.
Guess I am just a little long winded considering this is my first post....anyways.

This is in response to a post I saw in an earlier page. WEB Dubois is an honorary Member of Alpha Phi Alpha, Epsilon Chapter (I better know this considering the nights of, shall we say, creative learning)

What I fail to understand is any organization, mine included, striving to build its identity on a past glory. There is an Akan proverb, "Look towards your past, and you will begin to recognize your future". What I have witnessed is that too many individuals are dependant on that past, always ready to justify where others have been, others accomplishments, other "glory" yet not focused on their future progress...and what efforts they PERSONALLY will implement to continue their orgs. "success". Come 20 years from now, we will be that future, yet many of us will not have a thing to which we "contributed"....yet we know we "Pledged all day and night" and Martin Luther King was my Frat (for example). I wonder, was it some cats getting together, throwing darts at names at the wall as to "claim" members?
Who am I? Why do I believe in Manly deeds, Scholarship, and Love for All ManKind? Why do I continue to Try to Transcend All?
It reminds me of my cousin tellin me of her days at Clark Atlanta when she went to a club and met Deion Sanders Brother. Her reply was "But who are YOU?"

Anyways, just my thought here at work with isht to do!!!!

Holla Front

06

SeriousAKA 07-23-2002 08:22 PM

Thismay have been answered already...
 
But is Jasmine Guy a member of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc?

Japera1920 07-28-2002 11:01 AM

Jasmine Guy is not a member of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc.

SeriousAKA 07-30-2002 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Japera1920
Jasmine Guy is not a member of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc.
Thank You! In another message board, it was stated that she was.

ClassyLady 11-21-2002 01:13 PM

Halle Berry
 
I hear a while ago that Halle Berry was an honorary Zeta. But, a few days ago, a friend of mine told me that she was going to be inducted as an honorary Delta along with Condoleeza Rice. Does anybody know the truth behind either of these rumors?

JJSP01 11-21-2002 01:31 PM

Re: Halle Berry
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ClassyLady
I hear a while ago that Halle Berry was an honorary Zeta. But, a few days ago, a friend of mine told me that she was going to be inducted as an honorary Delta along with Condoleeza Rice. Does anybody know the truth behind either of these rumors?
I received info about Halle being inducted in January, but we'll have to see if it happens. I heard rumors about Condoleeza Rice, but I'm not sure.

1savvydiva 12-10-2002 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DoggyStyle82



And Rog from "What's Happenin'". I wanna know what the hell was happenin' when they let him on line. Bet he wasn't saying "I'm pretty on my right, I'm pretty on my left" lol.

Oh My Goodness....I am at work, browsing threads and I came across this...WHY did I almost spit out my Mocha Latte?

Oh, that was classic!!!!:p

1savvydiva 12-10-2002 05:08 AM

Re: Naaaaaaaw cuz
 
OOOOOHHHH.....CT4, you never cease to give me a laugh....


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