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33girl 01-18-2014 08:25 PM

12 party to 3 party WTELF???

(Can we do this with hockey playoffs so the season ends before June? Just saying is all.)

Mom64 01-18-2014 08:30 PM

Grind setting in. Daughter still attending rush parties but has no idea where she stands in terms of numbers. In the past PNMs had an idea with the revised schedule who knows?????

AZTheta 01-18-2014 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverRoses (Post 2256021)
4 hours in to the world's longest day. Tonight is going to be very stressful.

Get you some sleep, and drink water. Thinking of you...

IndianaSigKap 01-18-2014 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverRoses (Post 2256044)
Yes we use RFM. Our guidance consisted of being told to call our hq with rfm questions and an understanding that we might not know what return rates to anticipate.


Hang in there!! It will be interesting tobsee how things shake out on Tuesday.

pinksequins 01-18-2014 09:24 PM

This sounds brutal for both sides! Despite best intentions, the selection process on both sides could seem so arbitrary. The metaphor that comes to mind is giant piles of assorted clothing and the need to get out the door in 30 seconds, so you just grab a couple of items and conclude, "Uhhh, fine, the striped top!" (When if you had the time to think about it, you might have picked the purple paisley.

FSUZeta 01-18-2014 09:39 PM

Love your analogy pinksequins.

bruinaphi 01-19-2014 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverRoses (Post 2256044)
Yes we use RFM. Our guidance consisted of being told to call our hq with rfm questions and an understanding that we might not know what return rates to anticipate.

All chapters were provided with anticipated accepts for each round with the understanding that even the most seasoned RFM specialists do not have crystal balls.

aephi alum 01-19-2014 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2256056)
12 party to 3 party WTELF???

Amen to that! So you've spent 45 minutes per chapter at 21 party, and, what, another 45 minutes per chapter at 12 party, and you're choosing which 3 chapters you want to pref?

Mom64 01-19-2014 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by aephi alum (Post 2256074)
Amen to that! So you've spent 45 minutes per chapter at 21 party, and, what, another 45 minutes per chapter at 12 party, and you're choosing which 3 chapters you want to pref?

And the actives spent 45 minutes with you at 21 party and another 45 minutes at 12 party and they're choosing who to invite to 3 party.

My daughter believes the cuts are going to be brutal. The PNMs she knows, herself included, have no idea how they are doing. Most of them were surprised by chapters who did not invite them back to 12 as well as chapters who did. As we have no point of reference is this how it usually is or has the revised schedule made it so?

We knew rushing at IU was tough but this is bordering on insanity.

stbemtpynest 01-19-2014 09:37 AM

My daughter said there are 4 timeslots for the 3-party today, so all PNMs get at least one break. Is that how it has been in past years? My concern is that due to the modified schedule and less time spent with each PNM leading up to 3-party, the houses will bring back more girls for 3-party today than usual, and the big disappointment will be between 3-party and bid night. That would be the worst! Although none of it is good...

carnation 01-19-2014 09:40 AM

When do the girls get their invitations?

stbemtpynest 01-19-2014 09:56 AM

She said between 11:00 - 11:30 AM EST

Sciencewoman 01-19-2014 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mom64 (Post 2256081)
And the actives spent 45 minutes with you at 21 party and another 45 minutes at 12 party and they're choosing who to invite to 3 party.

My daughter believes the cuts are going to be brutal. The PNMs she knows, herself included, have no idea how they are doing. Most of them were surprised by chapters who did not invite them back to 12 as well as chapters who did. As we have no point of reference is this how it usually is or has the revised schedule made it so?

We knew rushing at IU was tough but this is bordering on insanity.

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Originally Posted by stbemtpynest (Post 2256086)
My daughter said there are 4 timeslots for the 3-party today, so all PNMs get at least one break. Is that how it has been in past years? My concern is that due to the modified schedule and less time spent with each PNM leading up to 3-party, the houses will bring back more girls for 3-party today than usual, and the big disappointment will be between 3-party and bid night. That would be the worst! Although none of it is good...

Moms, I am sending happy thoughts your way. I had a lot of anxiety last January when my daughter was going through a competitive recruitment, and I sincerely wish your daughters the best.

It's not atypical for campuses to have an extra party, to keep numbers down and maintain the intimate atmosphere at Pref, so I wouldn't worry about that. I do think it will be ultra critical to maximize all options and list ALL pref chapters on the MRABA card. As pinksequins said, this year is rushed and it will be difficult for both sides to get a good feel for each other. There are bound to be extra surprises with where PNMs land. Keep all options open!

ForeverRoses 01-19-2014 10:28 AM

Four parties for preference has been an option for chapters for at least the past for years so that is not a change this year.

stbemtpynest 01-19-2014 11:11 AM

Thanks Sciencewoman and ForeverRoses. The schedule published on the IUB PHA website only shows 3 parties, so I thought this was yet another last-minute change.

pinksequins 01-19-2014 11:28 AM

Good luck to all on both sides today! If ever there was a recruitment where not to take selection (or non-selection) personally, this must be it. In fact, if IU is adamant about cramming an event into the least time possible, perhaps it can simply resort to sorting hats and be done with it. : )

IUHoosiergirl88 01-19-2014 01:25 PM

The lists of houses PNMs get back can always be a surprise, but this year it may be even moreso a shocker. Don't be shocked if a chapter cuts you, and don't be shocked if a chapter invites you back. Keep an open mind, list ALL chapters on your MRABA, and go into bid day open to anything.

KDCat 01-19-2014 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pinksequins (Post 2256098)
Good luck to all on both sides today! If ever there was a recruitment where not to take selection (or non-selection) personally, this must be it. In fact, if IU is adamant about cramming an event into the least time possible, perhaps it can simply resort to sorting hats and be done with it. : )

Recruitment is very much like the Sorting Hat. If the hat says "Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw?" those are your choices. You can't choose Gryffindor, even if your BFF is a Gryffindor. You can't chose Slytherin, even if your mom was in Slytherin.

So you swallow hard and you choose Hufflepuff and find out that Hufflepuffs are AWESOME and you can't imagine being in any other house. :p

Mom64 01-19-2014 01:54 PM

My daughter is also devastated. 2 unhoused and a house she claims she is not interested in at all. I am pleading with her to finish the Rush process but she is adamant she does not want to pledge any of these houses. This was not the experience we hoped for. It was grueling and for my daughter with little reward. I'm not sure if the original schedule would have given her a different outcome but I find it hard to believe that meeting girls for 45 minutes two times is an accurate way to judge whether they're a good fit.

ASA_Princess 01-19-2014 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KDCat (Post 2256114)
Recruitment is very much like the Sorting Hat. If the hat says "Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw?" Those are your choices. You can't choose Gryffindor, even if your BFF is a Gryffindor. You can't chose Slytherin, even if your mom was in Slytherin.

So you swallow hard and you choose Hufflepuff and find out that Hufflepuffs are AWESOME and you can't imagine being in any other house. :p

Love this way of thinking for recruitment at any school :)

suze81 01-19-2014 02:00 PM

Mom 64. The EXACT same thing just happened to my daughter...only un-housed chapters This is impossibly cruel. Especially that her legacy house just dropped her.

IUHoosiergirl88 01-19-2014 02:02 PM

Please remind your daughters that your greek experience goes far beyond the 4 years you are present at IU, so whether your chapter has a house or not doesn't matter. Don't discount chapters just because they don't have a house--ALL chapters at IU are quality and will provide you with a great greek experience, both in undergrad and beyond

Mom64 01-19-2014 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sigmapsimom (Post 2256121)
Having been through the recruitment process myself, I totally get what you're saying, but you can't compare recruitment at IU with any other school's recruitment experience.

It's not a matter of not being happy with Hufflepuff. Hufflepuff has a house. She doesn't see an unhoused sorority as a sorority it feels like more as a club.

Agreed, and where it seems that living in a sorority house is so much of the Greek culture at IU (thus the bed quota) most girls feel like the unhoused sororities are second rate.

pinksequins 01-19-2014 02:10 PM

True! But the sorting hat somehow seems less harsh/painful than this year's IU recruitment. I do hope that Panhel reflects on the decision to drop a round.

For the Moms who are encouraging their daughters to continue, I saw colony pictures for one of the unhoused chapters and the members were adorable! Based on nothing but photos, they "looked" like the types of pretty, fun girls next door that I would have sought out back in the day. Please continue to encourage them take another look at the stripey top and the polka dots (even if they dreamed about the purple paisley.)

pinksequins 01-19-2014 02:15 PM

As for housing, it does seem attractive. When I joined, the NPC groups were not housed but became so midway through my collegiate term. Having been in both, there are big pluses and minuses to both: Not having a house meant the sisters went to extra lengths to ensure they hung out together, and that made for enduring friends. Same with a house! BUT one often felt that one was both the recipient of TMI and had little privacy. Pros and cons both ways.

pinksequins 01-19-2014 02:18 PM

Question to the Hoosiers: If more groups allowed seniors and (I know it's a long shot) others to liv e out, the"gotta be in a housed chapter" sentiment might diminish a bit?

IUHoosiergirl88 01-19-2014 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pinksequins (Post 2256123)
True! But the sorting hat somehow seems less harsh/painful than this year's IU recruitment. I do hope that Panhel reflects on the decision to drop a round.

They'll definitely go back to the normal recruitment pattern (21-12-8-3) next year, this year was just compressed because of the movement of 21 party and then weather impact

pinksequins 01-19-2014 02:24 PM

Since there could be bad weather again next year, I hope they develop a better contingency plan.

Right now, Ole Miss recruitment seems like a puppy dog by comparison! : )

Mom64 01-19-2014 02:25 PM

Daughter has pulled herself together and has decided to finish the process. I don't know if her mind will change but am proud of her for not quitting.

pinksequins 01-19-2014 02:27 PM

And you should be proud! : ). There is nothing to lose -- and possibly lots to gain -- by attending Pref parties.

pinksequins 01-19-2014 02:29 PM

Yep! Living in a house can be a combo of fun, friendships and the Real Housewives. ; )

Mom64 01-19-2014 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by IUHoosiergirl88 (Post 2256127)
They'll definitely go back to the normal recruitment pattern (21-12-8-3) next year, this year was just compressed because of the movement of 21 party and then weather impact

While that's great for next year, doesn't help soften the impact to this year's PNMs. The amount of hours in a day were unfair and had to have an affect on rushing. It would be interesting to see when the invited 3 party PNMs met with the sororities they were asked back to. I wouldn't be surprised if a large majority where at the beginning and very few from the 9:25-10:10pm time slot.

IUHoosiergirl88 01-19-2014 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mom64 (Post 2256133)
While that's great for next year, doesn't help soften the impact to this year's PNMs. The amount of hours in a day were unfair and had to have an affect on rushing. It would be interesting to see when the invited 3 party PNMs met with the sororities they were asked back to. I wouldn't be surprised if a large majority where at the beginning and very few from the 9:25-10:10pm time slot.

They're split as evenly as possible to make the parties smaller--so if ABC can invite back 400 girls, they're split roughly 400/4 or 100 girls/party. Sometimes you end up with 125 in one round and 75 in another, but it all is relatively even. In addition, sometimes our first party was our smallest one, so don't read into that in the least.

IUHoosiergirl88 01-19-2014 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sigmapsimom (Post 2256134)
My daughter is finishing too. She is leaning towards no preffing, but maybe the party will change her mind. She actually likes one of the unhoused sororities, but felt no house was a deal breaker. Maybe they will change her mind, but I don't think she can handle the thought of more rejection.

I actually feel sorry for the sisters of the unhoused sororities. Many girls are dropping rather than go to their parties and that's not fair to them. I was a Rush Chair and I know how much hard work us put into rush and in a way by girls dropping today, the sisters are being rejected. These chapters need houses to fairly compete. Does the university have any houses they can rent to them?

No, they don't. Fraternities compete for the available fraternity houses, and a sorority would not want to rent a house and then have to give it back in 2 years when that fraternity returns to campus.

ETA: They really don't need a house to 'fairly compete'--there will always be girls who will drop them because an unhoused chapter doesn't provide the true sorority experience (in their eyes), and there will always be girls who want to pledge them because they like the idea of no house OR because they truly connect with those women.

pinksequins 01-19-2014 02:43 PM

The houses at IU are lovely, but this thread almost makes you wish for suites a la Penn State.

I wish everyone the best at Prefs!

Mom64 01-19-2014 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by IUHoosiergirl88 (Post 2256135)
They're split as evenly as possible to make the parties smaller--so if ABC can invite back 400 girls, they're split roughly 400/4 or 100 girls/party. Sometimes you end up with 125 in one round and 75 in another, but it all is relatively even. In addition, sometimes our first party was our smallest one, so don't read into that in the least.

It's not so much about the size but the amount of time the PNMs have been going to houses. My daughter started at 9:00am and finished at 10:10pm besides a lunch break and a 45 minute break (where she rode the bus around because there was no where convenient to stay warm) had to "be on".

The actives had to be exhausted as well. Not too sure how after 12+ hours decision making can be made with a totally clear head.

DeltaBetaBaby 01-19-2014 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mom64 (Post 2256116)
My daughter is also devastated. 2 unhoused and a house she claims she is not interested in at all. [...] I find it hard to believe that meeting girls for 45 minutes two times is an accurate way to judge whether they're a good fit.

Surely you see the irony here?

DeltaBetaBaby 01-19-2014 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sigmapsimom (Post 2256140)
Can someone tell me if it's true that if girls don't preference or rank after pref parties, they are not allowed to informal rush for a full year?

If a woman does not sign an MRABA after preference, she is eligible for informal rush. That said, though I'm not terrible familiar with the campus, I think most of the chapters with houses will make quota and be over total, so informal rush is an unlikely way to get a bid to a housed chapter.

HQWest 01-19-2014 03:02 PM

I really feel for all the PNMs out there today. Can we just add this to the list of reasons why deferred recruitment is not such a great idea?

Maybe an October recruitment would give the girls a chance to meet people and not tempt fate with weather?

KDCat 01-19-2014 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sigmapsimom (Post 2256121)
Having been through the recruitment process myself, I totally get what you're saying, but you can't compare recruitment at IU with any other school's recruitment experience.

It's not a matter of not being happy with Hufflepuff. Hufflepuff has a house. She doesn't see an unhoused sorority as a sorority it feels like more a club.

Thanks.

I am currently advising a unhoused sorority at a campus that ONLY has unhoused sororities. I'm sure that the Greek ladies here would be glad to hear that they aren't really a sorority.


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