This, too, is an incomplete thought. You should complete thoughts, and conduct some research, prior to typing. Culture is an everyday process that does not wait for occasions such as Juneteenth and Kwanzaa (most Black Americans do not celebrate these). I was taught about Kwanzaa as a child, and joined various organizations with Kwanzaa names while in college, but I did not celebrate Kwanzaa until I was late-20s/early-30s. I celebrate annually with friends, some of whom are Canadian. Kwanzaa is not only celebrated in the USA. It is celebrated elsewhere and takes on different meanings depending on the location.

More importantly, just as whites didn't give cultures and civilization to nonwhites, whites need to stop offering advice. Racial and ethnic minorities truly do not want nor need whites to tell us about our cultures, traditions, and how we should uphold our heritages.

I'm just alluding to the distinction between racial and cultural, somethings many here are apparently conflating.

To be honest, I'm going to try to stay out of this conversation, mainly because others are able to explain my points much better than I ever could.

For those saying "my family didn't own slaves so I never benefited: Ugh, really? There is this lovely thing called accumulation and disaccumulation of wealth (not just income, but actual wealth) based on race. If your family was in the US before the 1960s, you benefited. You most likely benefited from being white after the 1960s, but I'm just going to focus on the first part. Watch the first 13 minutes of this video by Tim Wise. Yes, he is southern and his family did own slaves, but this applies to the entire nation. My family didn't own slaves either, but that doesn't mean the system has been working in our favor for hundreds of years.

And with this I will let those more eloquent than I to continue

LOL, you're not "feeding" me because you think I'm, as you put it, "fun". I obviously got under your skin or you wouldn't bother answering me. Just like I know you or your partners in persecution won't be able to resist replying or attempting to "put me in my place"

You are so pissed off at your life and your circumstances; so FREAKING glad I'm not you. It'd be funny if it weren't so sad. No, wait, it IS funny!

Phil talks, and this is what the rest of us hear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJyfozezSpI

Culture exists in every group dynamic. It exists in religion, race and ethnicity, language, gender, and other groups. When discussing race and ethnicity, culture is highly correlated and therefore will be discussed in the same vein--even when there is intragroup diversity in cultures. Culture is extended when addressing language patterns and other things that lead to intragroup and intergroup dynamics.

Black American Culture is directly linked to the religious, linguistic, racial, and ethnic components (including varying physical identifiability) of what it means to be Black American/African American and of the more immediate African Diaspora.

Still, people of the African Diaspora do not want or need tips on this topic. Just like people of white diaspora do not care about the opinion of nonwhites when it comes to their group identities and dynamics.

Coming from the legal field, you know that most crimes are intraracial. Interracial crimes are much less common. The motivation on the part of the offender is what distinguishes generally motivated offenders from hate crimes. Black-on-white crime is much less likely to be declared a hate crime because the motivation and opportunity for criminality are considered different. Racial and ethnic minorities who hate whites and are compelled to violence towards whites would have a very difficult life in white dominated societies. Instead, racial and ethnic minorities who are motivated to commit crime on the basis of racial, ethnic, and cultural hatred are more likely to victimize other racial and ethnic minorities (i.e., more attention given to Black-on-Asian violence).

I do not use (what I consider to be) racial slurs like "redneck" (or "white trash", etc.) but of course whites are free to call each other whatever they choose. I don't think knight_shadow or anyone else in this thread was judging whites by what James Byrd or other individual whites have done over the centuries. This is a general discussion about dynamics that span beyond individuals.

/swerve:

it's TOE the party line, not TOW. Is the party line a tugboat? Didn't think so. Please use correct vocabulary. Don't blame it on your phone or auto correct or whatever. There is no acceptable excuse for sloppiness in written language.

#annoyed

end of swerve/

You speak for everyone, huh?

True or not? Assimilation into the majority culture has ended better for those who have done it than for folks who reject it. Economically speaking, how is it going to benefit a person to have the sort of awful victim mentality that folks like Andre Turner seem to display? That's quite a bit of contempt he seems to harbor for a bunch of white folks who individually bear no responsibility for the world they were born into, same as everyone else.

Okay then, what's your solution to all of this? I've heard plenty of gritching, but not a lot of proposals on how to make it all better.

QFP.

It is called a general statement but, since you insist, I will also speak for every person of the more immediate African diaspora. My "speaking for everyone" in this instance is much better than you using white male privilege to teach Black Americans about themselves. LOL.

FALSE. But, I knew that you believed this and would dig yourself in this hole.

Unfortunately, there are plenty of nonwhites around the world who believe that whites saved nonwhites. The nonwhites who believe this are a result of acculturation and assimilation (by force and by choice). After you (in general) finish convincing people that their group should be under your control, you then have to prove to them that their way of life is moot and they are being blessed by God to be given your resources--but only the resources that you want to bestow upon them. For clarity's sake, none of this is biological or inherent. Whites are not evil. Whites are not inherently, biologically, psychologically, or socially (insert bad thing). History and power dynamics just worked as they worked for various reasons and every institution (including religion) is still used to reinforce this. That includes whites who believe as Kevin does.

:) Loving tone/

We do not need "a solution" and I do not need "my solution" as though this GC thread is Cliff Notes. This is not gritching. This is a GC thread. I would love for you to go to other GC threads and tell those posters to "make a decision or shut up." Social change is a daily, ongoing process and it does not happen in a GC thread just because Kevin demands results. I deal with these topics and other social outcomes everyday in my personal and professional environments so I respectfully ask that you kiss my ass and stop doing the white male privilege routine. You are not in charge and your impatience does not determine the outcomes.

/:) Loving tone

(smiley face added because this thread is not about hatred or anger)

We have freedom in name, but not in definition, and we're not a slave in name but in definition. You see the physical act of slavery gone, but what about the biological, economical and sociological slavery that still exist?

Your siggy is on point! For real.

Girl please, sit down somewhere. My wife and I have a successful landscaping business that I built from the ground up when I was unemployed. Do you have your own? If not, then sit down and shut up.

Thank you!

How about you shut the "shit" up. it still says on legal documentation that you all are "Caucasian" and everybody else of color is "hyphenated".

But you and every last one of your family members are enjoying and reaping the benefits.

This!

Have a seat home's.

http://assets.newmediaretailer.com/7..._ps_062110.jpg

I must have missed this (the wedding - I knew about your business). Congrats!

Thanks.

Isn't Mizeree the username that I call IotaGuy? Are you the same IotaGuy who I think you are? You're married to that woman you typed about in the D&R thread? I've been gone a few months but I'm confused as hell.

Knight_shadow is right, though. ;)

You love the "have a seat" response with that ugly seat. If you insist on telling people to "have a seat," combat assimilation into whiteness and use this image:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...geHFCwTTT1W3uI

*doing a Kwanzaa dance and Kwanzaa call...lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalahhhh!!! *

I also missed the wedding, but knew you were engaged! Congratulations and best wishes to both of you!

ETA: LOL at the Kwanzaa seat.

Kevin has told Black Americans what we should do, told us that the TransAtlantic Slave Trade ultimately rescued us, and has demanded GC solutions to existing inequalities. My leader Nelson Mandela would be proud. We of the African diaspora can sit in those lovely chairs and go "lalalalallalaalalalalalallaahhhhh...."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHmBr6rlCRo

Same dude.

CTFU! This is some funny ass shit LOL!

Thanks.

I'm done fuckn with KKKevin.

I now have jokes for days but I will leave you alone. :cool: I wish you well.


I only speak Swahili, Shona, Kirundi, and Black English. Thanks to Kevin, I am tired of being an appreciatively assimilated Black American relegated to Swahili birth names, African garb, and Ebonics. I am now unappreciative and say to hell with the Queen's English.

LOL
(Lunga Olihi Lunga)

Nah, Kevin is not even remotely KKK material. He has a different opinion rooted in what many would consider prejudices unintentionally conducive to racist ideologies and racist institutions. However, just as I stopped spelling America with a KKK, I do not insult people who engage in these types of honest discussions by spelling their name with a KKK. Kevin can "respectfully kiss my ass" and whatever else I typed to him without the KKK reference.

******

Oh snap, Smithfield!

http://www.today.com/food/paula-deen...ods-6C10423983

This is just like any other circumstance in which people can use liberated voices and purchasing power to speak out.** Everyone doesn't have to agree with the perceived offense or outcome but enough people have to agree and the right (that isn't a typo, not "white") people have to agree.

**It is interesting that quite a few power minority groups around the world eventually speak out against perceived injustices (Jews, LGBT, etc.). Only certain power minority groups are told to relax and to not use their voice and purchasing powers to protest and potentially get money makers shut down. That is one of the reasons why social change is so difficult. The power dominant groups are still the ones who determine whether the concerns and potential for social change are worthwhile and valid (for example, people in this thread saying "talk about Mandela instead" and "this is glitching").

Her magazine could be next to go:

http://www.al.com/entertainment/inde..._magazine.html

Linguistic Swerve - Should it be "home's" or "Holme's", "homes" or "Holmes"? I found http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=holmes and http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=homes, so it looks like both are contextually correct.

Well, if you're paying attention and half-way open-minded, you might hear the opinions of someone whose professional activities involve this very area, so who just may know more about the research, the data and the issues involved than you do.

You are, of course, free to disagree with her opinions. But the petulant responses you've provided so far don't add much credibility to your own opinions.

I missed it, too. Congrats, IotaMan, and best wishes to you both.

Please, let's not open that can of worms again. This thread has enough open cans in it already.

This, except for being a white male born in the 60s. I can try to listen and understand, and I do try to listen and understand, but I know that I simply won't ever experience what many others experience on a daily basis.

As for color-blindness, I gave up on that a long time ago. I can't be color-blind -- I'm not sure anyone truly can be -- and I'm not sure it helps to try to be. I also gave up on thinking of myself as a person without prejudices. I find it more constructive to acknowledge that some prejudices are there even when I don't want them to be, try my best to be aware of them (they can show themselves at the most unexpected times) and try to take power over them rather than let them subtly control me. It's an ongoing process.

I will always have a GC Crush on MysticCat. :) I hope he wasn't GC Stolen while I was away.

This Borderline GC Race War was interesting enough. UVA17 has typed every predictable message board cliche' in the book and is impressed with himself/herself (we've seen much better). Perhaps he/she is really a teenager who is at least one generation younger than some of us in this thread. Only a teenager would be so impressed with his/her attempts to offend older people with message board cliche'. The humor of UVA17 aside, everything he/she has typed actually solidifies this thread topic. I doubt he/she would have wasted the keyboard if I was assumed to be a white person. He/she definitely would not have joked about an "angry Black woman", bitterness over racial issues that he/she finds funny, and the Damon Wayans youtube would not have been used.

PDITY? (Paula Deen Is That You?)

Yes, actually, he was. Wasn't even 24 hours before the vultures moved in.

Too bad, so sad.

:p

I saw that name and stopped cold. I thought it might be a joke or some sockpuppetry.

http://i.myniceprofile.com/839/83952.gif

Out of sight, out of mind, you know.

Given that vultures only move in on the dead or dying, I think I'm a little troubled by the implications here.

You missed my congratulations and welcome to Delta post pages ago. It was at the end of some rant. LOL.

My GC pals cannot be trusted. :(

Thanks!!! I've got neo fever like a mug.
http://8.mshcdn.com/wp-content/galle...bowl-gif-1.gif

SOMEONE FINALLY USED THIS GIF MY LIFE IS COMPLETE.

All I can think of when I see that gif is ouch ouch ouch.

Oh. Yeah. Bad word choice. :eek: Too late now. Don't think I can fix this without making it worse. Sigh.

It wasn't your pals... just sayin'.

If you want to continue on the Paula Deen bandwagon, just look up "We Support Paula" on FB. The idiocy parade unbelievable. I unfortunately know three people who have liked this travesty of a page but was alerted to it by my cousin who was mocking it as it should be mocked.

On another note: Apparently, Kate Gosselin is under fire for a picture she's posted.

http://wonderwall.msn.com/movies/the...5171&gt128103=

Thanks y'all.

I hope you're not surprised by that.

Oh for crying out loud. Casual racism is a real thing, folks.

Wait - there are people who give a rip about Kate Gosselin?

Apparently now they do.

It had slipped my mind that she was ever a thing.

Apparently so. I've seen it on a couple of different news websites. :confused:

Oh Phil, Phil, Phil. You are such a closed-minded dolt. I'm making assumptions about your race? Maybe you're making assumptions about mine. But that can't be right, can it? Because anyone who doesn't tow the Official Persecuted Blacks has to be Miss Lily White 2013.

Maybe some people are just reared to work hard and succeed instead of rolling over and playing persecuted.

The Damon Wayans clip is comedy gold; if you honestly can't see yourself in it then you are deluded.

Still, I'm flattered that I'm on your mind ;)