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MysticCat 07-22-2013 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ElieM (Post 2226881)
I was kind of hoping for a girl if only to force all the Commonwealth countries to work speedily to pass non-primogeniture laws. Now they can take their time and piss fart about.

They've already agreed, so I doubt there'll be any back peddling.

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Originally Posted by Shellfish (Post 2226823)
She already has some via Anne's son.

True, though as some on the news have pointed out, this one is much more likely to be the future of the monarchy than Anne's granddaughters.

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Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 2226822)
I know that HRH is probably getting ready for bed, but I'm sure her face looks something like this:

I think you mean Her Majesty, cuz. She hasn't been HRH for 61 years. ;)

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 2226884)
Hey MC, would HRH also bear the title of Earl of Strathearn or does his royal title supersede that?

I assume that by HRH you mean William, not He-Who-Has-Not-Yet-Been-Named. William is Earl of Strathean, and that is the title of precedence in Scotland, just as Duke of Cambridge is the title of precedence in England. So, in England, William is HRH The Duke of Cambridge, while in Scotland he is titled HRH The Earl of Strathearn. His peerages supersede his status as prince.

Because QEII has decreed that the children of the first-born of the Prince of Wales will be entitled to be called prince or princess, Newborn-Son will be called HRH Prince _____ of Cambridge, just as before being given a peerage, William was HRH Prince William of Wales.

ADPiEE 07-22-2013 10:37 PM

*sigh* I was really hoping for a girl so my daughter might share her name...but there's always baby #2;)

can't wait to hear the boy name

ElieM 07-22-2013 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2226890)
They've already agreed, so I doubt there'll be any back peddling.

They've agreed in England and in principle. There are a number of countries where it is still yet to pass. Not that I think they're not going to pass it, but I think primogeniture is outdated and should be done away with post haste

MysticCat 07-22-2013 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ElieM (Post 2226898)
They've agreed in England and in principle. There are a number of countries where it is still yet to pass. Not that I think they're not going to pass it, but I think primogeniture is outdated and should be done away with post haste

The Scot in me feels compelled to suggest that you mean the United Kingdom, not just England. ;)

All the realms have signed on to the Perth Agreement, and that agreement provided that legislation, agreeable to all realms, would be introduced first in the UK. It was introduced late in 2012 and was enacted and given royal assent in April 2013. As the laws of a number of the realms, particularly in the Caribbean and the Pacific, essentially adopt the laws of the UK with regard to the line of succession, no further action is required in those realms. Necessary laws have also passed in Canada, St. Kitts and Nevis, and two of the Australian states. (In Australia as I understand it, it's being dealt with by each state prior to action by the Australian Parliament.) Of the remaining realms that do not incorporate UK law with regard to this matter and that have not already passed the necessary laws, only the Bahamas, Barbados, Grenada and two Australian states have not yet started the process of changing their laws.

Munchkin03 07-22-2013 11:56 PM

This back-and-forth is pretty funny to me.

ElieM 07-23-2013 12:13 AM

Well, I wasn't sure about those Scots, and I suspect the separatists would like to pass their own amendments. Also, given that one of the Australian states yet to pass a law is Queensland, they are likely to be recalcitrant and backwards.

It's of no matter now, but the kind of legal tangles that may have ensued would have been very interesting.

MysticCat 07-23-2013 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ElieM (Post 2226914)
Well, I wasn't sure about those Scots, and I suspect the separatists would like to pass their own amendments. Also, given that one of the Australian states yet to pass a law is Queensland, they are likely to be recalcitrant and backwards.

Yeah, from what I can tell, Queensland is being a bit . . . slow.

As for Scotland, it will be an issue if they vote for independence next year, but for now it's a matter of UK law, not Scots law.

Speaking of the Scots, I saw on CNN this morning that one of the names the bookies are saying is a leading contender is Alexander. It struck me that that name could be the nod to William and Kate meeting in Scotland -- while there has never been an Alexander on the English throne, there were a number of them on the Scottish throne prior to the Union of the Crowns, and Alexander has always been a rather traditional Scottish name. And that made me wonder how choosing a traditional Scottish name might be viewed in light of next year's Scottish vote on independence.

And fwiw, James -- apparently the leading choice in the betting -- also has a strong Scottish pedigree. England has had two King Jameses, while Scotland has had seven.

FSUZeta 07-23-2013 08:27 AM

An name expert weighs in:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...6pLid%3D347663

AZ-AlphaXi 07-23-2013 09:54 AM

^^^^ I liked the suggestion at the end that they name the new Prince John Paul George Ringo. :-)

MysticCat 07-23-2013 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AZ-AlphaXi (Post 2226946)
^^^^ I liked the suggestion at the end that they name the new Prince John Paul George Ringo. :-)

LOL.

But King John isn't happening. It simply isn't done.

Psi U MC Vito 07-23-2013 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2226890)
They've already agreed, so I doubt there'll be any back peddling.

True, though as some on the news have pointed out, this one is much more likely to be the future of the monarchy than Anne's granddaughters.

I think you mean Her Majesty, cuz. She hasn't been HRH for 61 years. ;)

I assume that by HRH you mean William, not He-Who-Has-Not-Yet-Been-Named. William is Earl of Strathean, and that is the title of precedence in Scotland, just as Duke of Cambridge is the title of precedence in England. So, in England, William is HRH The Duke of Cambridge, while in Scotland he is titled HRH The Earl of Strathearn. His peerages supersede his status as prince.

Because QEII has decreed that the children of the first-born of the Prince of Wales will be entitled to be called prince or princess, Newborn-Son will be called HRH Prince _____ of Cambridge, just as before being given a peerage, William was HRH Prince William of Wales.

I meant Prince ____ of Cambridge, using his one of his daddy's lesser titles as a courtesy title, but wasn't how sure that worked for Royals. And unrelated but something funny occurred to me last night. The commonwealth realms are all ruled by a Queen, yet IIRC with the exception of the UK, none of them have any type of nobility any more.

BraveMaroon 07-23-2013 11:34 AM

I'm hoping they name him Royal Blue Ivy.

Or Travis.

Old_Row 07-23-2013 11:44 AM

I was really hoping for a girl so she could be the first Queen under their new laws but am happy they had a healthy baby! He was a big one! Maybe now that the official heir is born they can be more free to use Diana in a daughter's name? I am excited to find out the new prince's name!

33girl 07-23-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2226956)
LOL.

But King John isn't happening. It simply isn't done.

Which is dumb, because there were plenty of kings worse than him.

knight_shadow 07-23-2013 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BraveMaroon (Post 2226958)
I'm hoping they name him Royal Blue Ivy

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thetalady 07-23-2013 02:18 PM

The first look at the prince!! And he has more hair than his dad. :)

misscherrypie 07-23-2013 02:25 PM

I was also watching the stream. Such an adorable family and such proud parents. I wish them nothing but happiness.

MysticCat 07-23-2013 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2226971)
Which is dumb, because there were plenty of kings worse than him.

Yeah, I know. But it is what is. And various Prince Johns haven't necessarily had a happy ending either.

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 2226957)
I meant Prince ____ of Cambridge, using his one of his daddy's lesser titles as a courtesy title, but wasn't how sure that worked for Royals.

Ah, got you.

No, since he is titled as a royal prince, he doesn't use dad's inferior title as a courtesy title. Courtesy titles are for those not bearing a title in their own right. Were he not a prince, he would be "[FirstName] Mountbattan-Windsor, Earl of Strathearn."

AlphaFrog 07-23-2013 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thetalady (Post 2227016)
The first look at the prince!! And he has more hair than his dad. :)

William said as much himself...love a man who can laugh at himself.

Xidelt 07-23-2013 03:56 PM

Love the pastel polka dots on Kate! Reminds me of the dress Diana wore when she brought William home from the hospital.

Cheerio 07-23-2013 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Xidelt (Post 2226843)
I wonder if Spencer will be a part of the name, in honor of Diana.

Spencer would also be lovely as a girl name, but among other names and not as a first name (for instance: Caroline Abigail Spencer Louise).

SydneyK 07-24-2013 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2226938)
Speaking of the Scots, I saw on CNN this morning that one of the names the bookies are saying is a leading contender is Alexander.

CNN almost got it right:
George Alexander Louis

MysticCat 07-24-2013 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SydneyK (Post 2227183)
CNN almost got it right:
George Alexander Louis

Well, it is in there. And technically, he could choose to use it as his regnal name, though obviously George is more likely.

AZ-AlphaXi 07-24-2013 02:02 PM

His great-great grandfather's name was Albert Frederick Arthur George. He took George as his regnal name.

ADPiEE 07-24-2013 02:07 PM

I love George since it's the patron saint of England...very fitting

AlphaFrog 07-24-2013 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SydneyK (Post 2227183)
CNN almost got it right:
George Alexander Louis

I hope he goes by Alexander. To me, George is such an old sounding name.

misscherrypie 07-24-2013 02:18 PM

Alexander was my pick for the first name. I'm glad that it was selected as a middle name, sort of makes up for the fact that I really was hoping that they wouldn't use George at all.....

All in all, I think George Alexander Louis is a wonderful name.

Sciencewoman 07-24-2013 03:18 PM

Well, I guess those who were hoping for a GAL got their wish, in a way....;)

(feel free to groan)

honeychile 07-24-2013 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sciencewoman (Post 2227210)
Well, I guess those who were hoping for a GAL got their wish, in a way....;)

(feel free to groan)

My first thought! My second thought was this.

MysticCat 07-24-2013 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 2227196)
I hope he goes by Alexander. To me, George is such an old sounding name.

Well, he will officially be Prince George. What the family calls him might be another matter. But at least according to one source I heard, George was the 12th most popular boy's name in England last year, so I guess it doesn't sound as old to them as it does to us. Blame George Weasley, maybe?

Meanwhile, apparently Alexander typically ranks in or almost-in the top ten boy's names in Scotland, and ranks high in England as well.

And speaking of the family, the bit of news I heard that I found really interesting was that the Queen went to Kensington Palace to meet George this morning. That is really a switch -- people, including new-born grandchildren and great-grandchildren, traditionally come to see the Queen, not the other way around.

angels&angles 07-24-2013 09:03 PM

My cat's name is George. He's very excited by this news, trust me.

Benzgirl 07-24-2013 10:52 PM

Not that I'm big on royalty, but I would much rather hear about a new prince than a Kardashian baby.

AXOmom 07-24-2013 11:03 PM

Well as the mother of an Alexander James no less (they would LOVE him in Scotland), I'm happy they included Alexander in the name somewhere.

Sciencewoman 07-24-2013 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2227245)
And speaking of the family, the bit of news I heard that I found really interesting was that the Queen went to Kensington Palace to meet George this morning. That is really a switch -- people, including new-born grandchildren and great-grandchildren, traditionally come to see the Queen, not the other way around.

That struck me, too.

ASUADPi 11-02-2013 10:01 PM

The newest People magazine had Catherine, William and George on the cover. He's a cute little baby.


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